Err..... So what if it was released on that date. I can safely say that not 1% of the people that bought it even knew and no matter what the day was, SOMEONE would have found a way to be pissed off about it.
Vietnam Veteran Upset Over Black Ops Release Date
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It's not that we don't care, it's that almost no one who bought the game even knew it was remembrance day, so his argument that is was a marketing strategy makes no sense.bismarck55 said:
Aye, I know his only problem is the date, but... does that really bother a person that much? I mean Remembrance Day is not about Vietnam in particular, it's just a general "war is a bad thing" memorial day originating from WW1. I mean, even if you're bothered about it, grab a beer with a few friends and complain about it - going to the papers is the definition of asking for attention.Soviet Heavy said:
And really, with the established fund, even if ActiVision is only doing it for selfish reasons, it's ultimately nothing short of a good thing. You have thousands of companies making money off any sort of holiday, memorial day and anything similar with all sorts of different merchandise and no one blinks an eye over it. This is just more jumping onto the bandwagon of "hey, it's easy to complain about whatever the game industry does now" and personally, I'm a little fed up over it.
You don't have a moment of silence for the countless vikings that died, securing our place on this soil for us. You disgust me.Celtic_Kerr said:
See what I did there?
Edit: And before you ask, no, i'm not trolling. I just don't understand why people try to force others to sit there and think about a sacrifice others made. Ok, they made it, well done, you taught me in history. I respect them, I don't however, see why a silence or even a day is needed. You really respect them, do it your own way, not how them "gov'nent" types tell you to. I doubt my comment would have even got a response if I didn't own up to not really caring either.
Notice he/she said "this generation", which only further exemplifies that today's kids are a bunch of fucking idiots. Hell, that statement is borderline disrespectful in and of itself.[/quote]Akalabeth said:
Yes, kids idea of what matters and what doesn't is /totally/ an indicator of intelligence when it comes to remembrance days. Instead of just insulting me, could you actually tell me why I should care more? It wasn't in my lifetime, these wars started roughly 90 years ago (i'm not looking up exact dates).
I dont think its right to critisise the Vet for this. Its not the game itself hes annoyed with, he just sees the release date as a cheap marketing ploy which I would agree with if I thought it was intentional. Weather he said the same thing about a movie would reveal if he was genuine or just another game hater but from the way he talked about war, he seems sincere.Vrach said:
Considering what came out of it though I think this little bump in COD:BO release could not have gone any better.
Once again, a fellow Escapee has spoken words of wisdom that surpass most other internet adages.Thunderhorse31 said:
We celebrate Veterans Day today. Its a tribute to all the living veterans who served in any war. Our "Remembrance Day" is memorial day which is in the summerBlind Sight said:
A generation who doesn't know its past cannot build its future, and is bound the repeat the same mistakes of its ancestors.dogstile said:
I'd think that you're the troll. You're actively insulting my opinion. At least i'm trying to argue a point.bismarck55 said:
Ok, right, and we all /know/ about the war and who died and what i'm remembering. What i'm saying is that I know a lot of people today, including myself, who don't actually care that much. Sure we remember, sure we buy a poppy. But caring wise, it doesn't actually affect us in any way.ShadowKirby said:
dogstile said:
Even disregarding the veterans and dead of the the Korean war, Vietnam, both Iraq wars and the continuing operation in Afghanistan (which we should not, and whom are very much a a part of remembrance day), there are still many survivors of WWII alive today. They fought for their country, their family and their beliefs in the worst conflict in human history. You're saying that they don't deserve a paltry 2 minutes of silence?
I never said that. I said that I personally don't really care about it. Now you're putting words in my mouth. I was silent for those two minutes. Granted I was playing tetris at the time because I couldn't work due to it making noise but I let everyone have their silence.bismarck55 said:
Do me a favour, show me the same courtesy. You're arguing opinions, nobodys going to win.
It's one thing to make an ass of yourself, but don't drag your entire generation through the dirt too. The point of Remembrance Day is to reflect on the people who got shot to death and blown up protecting future generations. All they ask is that you remember them and the hell they went through.dogstile said:
You're what, 17? If you really don't see why you should care, then whatever, to each his own. But I'm glad the people I know, of the same generation, don't see the world the same way you and your friends do.
*Facepalm* Tell you what, read the post above yours, read a couple of my posts and your'll see that while i think its important to be remembered, i don't emotionally care. I never knew these people, I see no logical reason for my feelings to change because a fire alarm goes off and people tell me to.Citrus Insanity said:
I did read your posts, thanks. The key word in mine was "reflect". I'm sure you know what they did and the sacrifices they made, but that you aren't able to care about it just because you don't know them personally is pretty damn pathetic. You can know everything about WWII and the Holocaust, but if you don't care about any of it, you might as well just not know it to begin with.dogstile said:
I know I'm not going to change the way you see things, and I'm not trying to. But you come across as someone who thinks too highly of himself; who tries too hard to appear rebellious. The Man is telling you to care, but you don't! Good for you. But don't get defensive when people call you out on that. If you make an ignorant post, people are going to call you ignorant. Get used to it.
Well damn, you turned the rebel argument around. Fair play.Citrus Insanity said:
Except i'm not trying to be rebellious. I posted saying that I think he's wrong because many people, including myself, didn't care about remembrance day when it came to Black ops. You guys instantly threw a fit and questioned me on it. I use the word questioned loosely.
And why is knowing but not caring proof that I shouldn't know it? If I know it and I know it was a major screw up, awesome! I'm not going to do it. Useful information! If I feel a tug, all the more power to it. I don't feel that tug, get over it.
When it came to Black Ops? No, you posted that you and your friends don't care about Remembrance Day and that you don't think anybody in your generation does either. You can't suddenly pretend you were talking about Black Ops after you spent the entire thread explaining why you don't care about the history.dogstile said:
But whatever. Like I said, I'm not trying to change the way you look at it. All I said was I'm glad the people from this generation that I know aren't like you. But I'll take the fact that you tried to amend your comment as admission that it was made in poor judgement, and that's good enough for me. Good day.