Vietnam Veteran Upset Over Black Ops Release Date

[jaded empath]

And why is knowing but not caring proof that I shouldn't know it? If I know it and I know it was a major screw up, awesome! I'm not going to do it. Useful information! If I feel a tug, all the more power to it. I don't feel that tug, get over it.

A) Who said 'knowing' - the key terms here are "remember" and "reflect"; you've already stated that you do neither.

B) "If I know it and I know it was a major screw up, awesome! I'm not going to do it."

Really, *what* the heck are you talking about at this point? For someone that 'knows it', you really are giving a contrary impression:

The bulk of the soldiery on BOTH sides in WWI were *conscripts* - they were drafted into their respective army and OBLIGATED to fight. But you'll be *fine* "[you're] not going to do it"; go ahead and tell the recruitment officer that when (s)he brings a couple of MPs to enforce your draft notice...

And as for WWII? Many, many people fought and died to prevent an indisputably EVIL force from imposing its will over the world, and freed those peoples that they ALREADY conquered. But that's cool you're "not going to do it" - glad to know you've got our back when oppression rears its ugly head.

C) Life happens; if one is lucky, events in one's life do not include really, really severe trauma and loss. But eventually, almost every individual undergoes some form of loss that has a profound emotional effect - death of a loved one, dissolution of a serious romantic relationship, destruction of a life-long dream or goal, etc. When that emotional loss happens, it makes a person more aware of the loss and hardship of others. Hopefully it also goes on to make the person more appreciative of happiness and success.

From the tone of your posts, it's apparent that such a loss hasn't happened to you yet. You don't 'get' it - it's not about memorizing dates or body counts or speeches, it's about knowing in your *heart* what those people went through FOR YOU. It's about UNDERSTANDING their sacrifice.

But you're too cool for that.

But someday, something IS gonna happen that'll cleave into your soul and put some cracks in that cold stone of your heart, and open your awareness of what is *really* going on around you.

And you'll KNOW then; you'll 'grok' what we're trying to get across to you.

...but the longer the wait is before it happens the worse it's gonna be, so don't take this the wrong way in that I hope you get that sort of thing over with sooner than later...and that when it does happen, there's someone that'll let you lean on them for support, and help pull you out of the pit you'll fall into...

 

[Radelaide]

Remembrance Day? That is my only question, what the fuck is Remembrance Day?

Commonwealth version of Veteran's Day, it recognises the Armistice signed on November 11 at 11:00 am that ended World War 1. Pretty much everything shuts down for two minutes of silence. I assume the Americans don't celebrate it because they only joined the war in 1917 and didn't contribute that much.

I laughed at the last part.

OT: I'd be more offended that the game was released in general. Then again, I'm against games that use "creative licence" on wartime events.

 

[Dogstile]

And why is knowing but not caring proof that I shouldn't know it? If I know it and I know it was a major screw up, awesome! I'm not going to do it. Useful information! If I feel a tug, all the more power to it. I don't feel that tug, get over it.

A) Who said 'knowing' - the key terms here are "remember" and "reflect"; you've already stated that you do neither.

Tell you what, i'll explain it below

B) "If I know it and I know it was a major screw up, awesome! I'm not going to do it."

Really, *what* the heck are you talking about at this point? For someone that 'knows it', you really are giving a contrary impression:

The bulk of the soldiery on BOTH sides in WWI were *conscripts* - they were drafted into their respective army and OBLIGATED to fight. But you'll be *fine* "[you're] not going to do it"; go ahead and tell the recruitment officer that when (s)he brings a couple of MPs to enforce your draft notice...

And as for WWII? Many, many people fought and died to prevent an indisputably EVIL force from imposing its will over the world, and freed those peoples that they ALREADY conquered. But that's cool you're "not going to do it" - glad to know you've got our back when oppression rears its ugly head.

You're being silly. If I got drafted, sure, i'd fight, its that or prison right? But I wouldn't be making the mistake of sending barely trained soldiers to their deaths, the generals would be doing that. If I was a general however, I'd know that's a bad idea. That was the point. I've been taught, if i'm put in that position, I know what others have done wrong before me. Isn't that the point of being taught this stuff?

C) Life happens; if one is lucky, events in one's life do not include really, really severe trauma and loss. But eventually, almost every individual undergoes some form of loss that has a profound emotional effect - death of a loved one, dissolution of a serious romantic relationship, destruction of a life-long dream or goal, etc. When that emotional loss happens, it makes a person more aware of the loss and hardship of others. Hopefully it also goes on to make the person more appreciative of happiness and success.

From the tone of your posts, it's apparent that such a loss hasn't happened to you yet. You don't 'get' it - it's not about memorizing dates or body counts or speeches, it's about knowing in your *heart* what those people went through FOR YOU. It's about UNDERSTANDING their sacrifice.

But you're too cool for that.

But someday, something IS gonna happen that'll cleave into your soul and put some cracks in that cold stone of your heart, and open your awareness of what is *really* going on around you.

And you'll KNOW then; you'll 'grok' what we're trying to get across to you.

...but the longer the wait is before it happens the worse it's gonna be, so don't take this the wrong way in that I hope you get that sort of thing over with sooner than later...and that when it does happen, there's someone that'll let you lean on them for support, and help pull you out of the pit you'll fall into...

Yeah, my mums got cancer, I already know what feeling impending loss feels like. Try not to assume i'm not dealing with stuff too. Assuming sucks in an argument. (note, I said impending, its going to really suck when she goes, and its heartbreaking now)

Since when does not caring doesn't mean I don't understand? I know what they did, I get that if they didn't make that sacrifice I likely wouldn't have been born, or been prejudiced against due to not being blonde with blue eyes, for not having the right religion, etc. I do understand that stuff, but i've got more important stuff on my mind.

 

[Estocavio]

WHAT!? They released it on November Ninth becuase it was a good day to release a game...

This. It was remembrance day today and none of my friends realised. I doubt this current generation cares. I certainly don't.

Likewise - And if the company cared, theyd have publicized it.
But, with the amount of "Days" around these days, theyre hard to avoid.

 

[-Ulven-]

I only heed the soldiers who stopped Germany from getting the A-bomb, too bad others got it as well...

Great Britian and Norway

I salute you!

But I don't give a damn about remembrance day. If a soldier haven't done over his normal duty I see no point in honouring him more than my current bus driver or worker at McDonalds.

 

[Benny Blanco]

Wait, he's a Canadian Vietnam vet? He VOLUNTEERED to go to Vietnam?

I think we can safely say he's completely mad.

Yeah, I noticed that too... Possibly he was a US Citizen who fled North after getting back from his 1st tour. Not that I'd blame him for that, but it's a bit weird.

Come to think of it, I think the only nations who were both in Vietnam and celebrate Remembrance Day are the ANZACs... (What, you'd forgotten that there were Aussies and Kiwis in that shitty war?)

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

Remembrance Day? That is my only question, what the fuck is Remembrance Day?

Um, it literally explains it in the first sentence. Come on man.

OT: It obviously wasn't a marketing ploy. MW2 came out 11-10-09, they just switched the 09 and the 10, probably to make the date easy to remember. That seems obvious to me. Although Activision is certainly wrong this game is a "tribute to the armed forces". That's like calling Crackdown 2 a tribute to the police force.

 

[TheJwalkR]

Well it's better than MW2 being release on the 11th. I didn't like that. The 9th is better though.

 

[crepesack]

Remembrance Day? That is my only question, what the fuck is Remembrance Day?

Commonwealth version of Veteran's Day, it recognizes the Armistice signed on November 11 at 11:00 am that ended World War 1. Pretty much everything shuts down for two minutes of silence. I assume the Americans don't celebrate it because they only joined the war in 1917 and didn't contribute that much.

We call it "Veteran's Day" or "Armistice Day". It involves the same deal with poppies and what not. I think any association with Veteran's day was tangential considering COD has traditionally come out at the beginning of November since the fourth one.

 

[wigglysasquatch]

Hes justified, its tacky. Maybe the day didn't mean anything to some of you but to the men and women who know what a shot fired in anger sounds like it does. Really the week before or the week after isn't too much to ask, or at least don't call it a tribute. Don't use veterans/remembrance day as part of your marketing pitch.
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