Sorry, it's been a while since I played it. Well, still, I felt sympathy for him, maybe just because his plan was so goddamn brilliant.Mortai Gravesend said:
Villains you felt sympathy for, but felt you weren't meant to?
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The Organization XIII from KH2.
Really, they're a sad existence that decides they're going to help themselves when no one will, and Sora just happily kills all of them and is happy about it afterwards. They just want to be whole, again.
I still remember when I defeated a rather strong one, his last words were something like
before he disintegrated into black mist forever.
Also, Jerry mouse is just a terrible, terrible protagonist. I never wanted him to win anything, but he just happily ruins Tom's life, even going so far as to drive him into homelessness multiple times, and having him beheaded.
Really, they're a sad existence that decides they're going to help themselves when no one will, and Sora just happily kills all of them and is happy about it afterwards. They just want to be whole, again.
I still remember when I defeated a rather strong one, his last words were something like
Where... is my heart?!
before he disintegrated into black mist forever.
Also, Jerry mouse is just a terrible, terrible protagonist. I never wanted him to win anything, but he just happily ruins Tom's life, even going so far as to drive him into homelessness multiple times, and having him beheaded.
aha, you do have a point there. The brotherhood of steel were total pricks, maybe not as outright evil as the enclave but still condescending jerks. At least the enclave were trying to fix the world, the brotherhood's stated goal is just to collect technology. Lyons got kicked out just because he wanted to help people!tehfeen83 said:
Sid from Toy Story. You can tell from the state of his room and how you never see his mother that he's neglected, and he takes his anger out on the toys to reflect the frustration he bears about being ignored. Notice he goes to Pizza Planet on his own. Friends? Probably none. Love from parents? Probably none. Career prospects? Seeing as in Toy Story 3 he makes a cameo as a garbage-truck driver, none.
For a good while Uther from the Merlin series, yes he sorta, kinda committed genocide, but magic killed his wife and it's understandable that he'd go a bit nuts. But then what actually happened came out and I realized that he was either irredeemably evil, or he had completely lost his grip on reality.
There's also Tywin Lannister, in large part due to Charles Dance's amazing performance in the HBO series, but he honestly seems to love his family, and his interactions of Arya are really kinda heartwarming.
Before Prince Arthur was born, Uther's wife was barren so he went to the witch Nimway and asked her to use her magic to get his wife pregnant. The thing is however to create a life another life must be taken to keep things in balance. Uther completely ignored this warning, went through with it anyway, and when his wife died exactly like Nimway said she would Uther claimed that she tricked him and murdered his wife and decided to kill ALL the magic users in Camelot many of whom were children killed by drowning. And when Arthur finds out and confronts him over being a genocidal hypocrite instead of begging for forgiveness and facing the consequences he continues lying to his son about the death of his mother.
There's also Tywin Lannister, in large part due to Charles Dance's amazing performance in the HBO series, but he honestly seems to love his family, and his interactions of Arya are really kinda heartwarming.
I ... What? ...Really?Helmholtz Watson said:Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.
OT : Light Yagami , From Deathnote . I truely believe what he was trying to do was right . Sure he did let the power get to his head , but who wouldn't have in such a situation?
I'm going to have to say Ganondorf from Wind Waker. Sure he's power hungry and crazy but his monologue at the end shows where he gets it all from. His civilization has been forsaken by the gods, that isn't just some justification as a victim of circumstance in Hyrule proof that the gods exist so they must have screwed him over.
"The wind always brought the same thing, death."
"The wind always brought the same thing, death."
Light Yagami. Oh come on, he's totally a villain. And I still think he had the right idea at the beginning, at least if he's willing to sacrifice his own morality to save the world's morality.
I would have to say Andrew Ryan from Bioshock.
Also everyone from Armored Core For Answer, except Old King.
Because of this when I got the White Glint parts I colored the details using my AC4 mech's (Raptor II) colors and named it White Raptor.
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As someone who agrees with Ayn Rand's philosophy I felt sorry for Ryan because he saw his own society crumble around him and he was forced to go against his own ideals as a last attempt to save his creation. And his main enemy was a person who fully embraced the idea of Rapture to get ahead. If Fontaine and Ryan had met any where else they probably would have been friends bonded by their ambitions. Unfortunately Fontaine's small was the anti-altruistic laws of Rapture since part of his bid for power was to use the less fortunate. In a more meta sense, his rivalry with Sophia Lamb. After Ryan's death Lamb would create a collective society using Rapture and ADAM which were created to defy society and the collective.
Also everyone from Armored Core For Answer, except Old King.
Especially White Glint and Line Ark since they were not villains but vilified. It was sad to fight him and no matter what Line Ark was disbanded since unlike ORCA which I still find sympathetic. They wanted to oppose the League and were avoiding hurting the residents of the cradles. Also you are fighting yourself if you played Armored Core 4.
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I don't know if you're Not supposed to feel sympathy for her, but I really like Suigintou from Rozen Maiden. Especially after watching the Overtüre OVA (/3rd season...)
All she really ever wanted was her Douchebag "Father"s acceptance... Even though she was a "failure" :'(
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*spoilers* In the book they deal with that alot actually. In one part Eragon advances on a soldier after having brutally slaughtered his entire squad and he begs for his life saying how he never wanted to join the kings army but was forced to take oaths of service. He is finally caught and his neck broken then Eragon sits down and has a contimplative moment but then they have to get moving again. Plus during the siege of the city Eragon feels sympathy from those who don't serve the king but just don't want their city invaded by a foreign army. Plus he eventually feels bad for massacreing so many Urgals when they are end up becoming allies.Angryranter101 said:
His faction wants to completely ignore freedom of choice and take away the equivelant of a limb from a major portion of the population, after he has already invented and tested weaponry that would eliminate the major advantage the benders have over the nonbenders, or at least pretty much fix the problem. So he want's to commit quasi genocide because mommy and daddy were killed.Sushewakka said:
He's also possibly the most egregious hypocrite I have ever read or heard about in about any fiction I've ever read. Clearly oppression is the exactly correct response to dealing with oppression, right?
I also deeply hate the equalists because their ability to defeat benders doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Yeah they can chi block, it's the equivelant of holding a knife, although if the shows tendency for nonlethality is some sort of physical law in that universe that would explain why being able to defeat someone without killing them would be the ultimate power.
100/100 in any sort of even slighly realistic scenario you give a guy flame throwing powers and a lifetime of training and the other guy a knife and a life time of training the latter will end up a smoldering pile of ash.
yeah, i thought that the ISA were the bad guys until i found out that during killzone 1 [which i never played] the helghast tried to use some kind of super bomb on the ISA homeworld.major_chaos said:
actually if my chirstian history is up to snuff, didnt God choose lucifer to be the anti-god, to maintain balance in the spiritual world?Helmholtz Watson said:Samuel/Lucifer. Seriously the guy was Gods number one guy, did what God asked and yet was a slave to Gods commands. Then God makes humanity, and gives us free will and expects Lucifer to bow down to us too. I don't think it was unreasonable that Lucifer was mad about being a slave while humanity was given free will for free.
yeah, but the authority are trying to rule the world by snuffing out any form of a free city/country that pops up, or they rule them with large forces and surveillance systems, to the point you're being watched everywhere. lets not forget to mention they created the mutants and shut down 1000's of vault opening systems, locking the people inside. i think its safe to say we're supposed to hate them. actually, the whole senario has a capitalist vs. communist feel to it: the free world of rag-tag settlements and survivors [capitalist USA], against the communist, foreign world of the big bad authority [communist USSR].Dfskelleton said:
Zero in MGS 4. He had the best of intentions when he created the Patriots, but his "I know best" attitude ends up turning him into the very thing he was fighting against: an oppressor.
Hannibal Lecter was always kind of sympathetic by comparison. I kind of wanted him to escape in Silence of the Lambs.
While the prequel, Hannibal Rising, wasn't that great, it did give a reason for his odd eating habits that force a person to be even more sympathetic.
While the prequel, Hannibal Rising, wasn't that great, it did give a reason for his odd eating habits that force a person to be even more sympathetic.
The Illusive Man to a certain extent based on the conversation choices you make. T.I.M. is just someone who wanted to do what he thought was right. He wanted what was best for his race, and even though he used some less than reputable ways to make that happen,
being indoctrinated and essentially made to believe that what he was doing was saving humanity, when in fact he was being used as a way to destroy it, it's pretty sad when you think about it.