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Khazoth

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So, I saw this debate somewhere about villains. The gist of the debate was that both comic book villains and video game villains tend to be insanely powerful. Comic book villains given power to add drama to the story so the heroes have something to overcome, and video game villains to make the final boss battle difficult.

So let the debate begin, who is the best villain in comic books?

Who is the best video game villain?

And which of those two is the stronger villain in your opinion?
 

Imthatguy

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In comics? hmm.... Nny is a villain protagonist.... so I'll go with that.

And best video game villain? Kane from Command and Conquer you'll never see him on the field but he is one charismatic devil in fact I support Nod's agenda over GDI's.
 

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Bar none. Thanos doesn't count, because he's literally Marvel's copy of Darkseid.

Answer to number 2: Hmmmm. I hate to look like that guy, but I'm going to say Sephiroth. He's a cliche now, but the first time you played through that game over 15 years ago, he was god damn scary. And powerful to boot. Plus he has a legit reason for being evil and insane.
 

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I liked Kessler as a villain. He was one of those villains that once you knew the big twist his words mean a completely different thing. Also Solidus form Metal gear solid 2, you know you make it to the end of the game and you think can I join him?

For comic books hell if I know? Magneto? I can see where he is coming form more so than the other comic book villains I know.
 

Eclectic Dreck

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Neither medium is particularly likely to produce an interesting villain in spite of the fact that either side has several of them.

As for the best villains, I'd say look no further than Glados without a sense of humor: SHODAN.
 

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The thing that makes a good villain is the same thing that makes any good character: Respectability (a character who possesses ideal characteristics or virtues), mystery (a character that has some intriguing characteristic that isn't immediately understood by the audience), or relatability (the ability of the character to be identified with by the audience).

This might sound simple, but that's really all there is to it. The reason that there are so many bad villains out there is simply because the writer fails to make the villain a good character for some reason or another. Maybe it's because they're too worried about making their protagonist look good, or it could be because they're so obsessed with hammering some issue that they need a cartoonishly evil face on an opposing view. What ever the reason, villains often end up getting the short end of the stick when it comes to character growth, so any time a well fleshed out (or seemingly well fleshed out) villain comes along, people seem to automatically flock to the.

Video game and comic book villains often are insanely powerful, but this is in and of itself neutral. It becomes a problem when a villain is made powerful enough that the writer must contrive some sort of reason for their plucky underdog hero to succeed, causing all sort of inconsistencies and character derailment. Of course, that's always going to be a problem when dealing with how to come up with a large problem that can be entirely and conclusively solved by a dude (or dudette, if the writer is so inclined) punching, shooting, or stabbing people in the face.

As such, I generally a fan of villains who don't do stuff just to give a hero the opportunity to look good. The first comic book villain that comes to mind is Adam Susan from V for Vendetta and a video game villain that stands out to me is The Jackel from Far Cry 2. Both exist with their own goals with things on their mind beyond the protagonist. It makes the ensuing conflict far more believable and meaningful.
 

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I thought Breene in Half Life 2 was an excellent villain. From the beginning he's there spewing transhuman propaganda, and at first it seems like the citizens are buying it. He's at a position of power over pretty much the entire planet, and seems impenetrable in the gigantic Citadel.

I love how he reacts to Gordons' presence. He admonishes the earth military in Nova Prospekt and tries to remind them how much is at stake, since the Combine are apparently losing faith in humanity as an asset. Basically, he sounds like any other middle manager.

He tries to psyche you out when you're in the Citadel by asking what you've achieved, and how you could possibly stand up against an intergalactic empire. You've been gaining power and expertise for days now, and you're ready for a confrontation. When you finally get to him, all he can do is run away.

So he begins the game as a seemingly invincible enemy, but his armor is made of glass.

As far as comic book villains go... the Joker? I guess? He's interesting as a charismatic nihilist who just figures out what direction someones going in and how much of a "push" they need. The origin of Harley Quinn is interesting for that reason - she tries to psychoanalyze him and becomes basically a host for his ideas.
 

Tazzy da Devil

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Comic books, I'd say the Joker is the best. Video game villain... That's a bit harder. I'd say Ghirahim from Skyward Sword, because he's pretty creepy. Helps that he's good looking.
 

Sean Hollyman

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For Comic villains, can I say villains in movies based on comics?

Cause Liam Neeson as Ras Al Ghul is my favorite.

Favorite villain... umm.The Boss from MGS3.

She wasn't ACTUALLY the villain... but she was... but she wasn't!
 

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Best villian in comics? It might just be because I have really been getting into Locke and Key recently, but...

Yeah, Dodge is one of the most menacing, memorable villains in any series that I have read for a good long time, followed closely by (fables spoilers: Highlight to view) Gepetto and (transmetropolitan spoilers) The Smiler.

Best videogame villains? Darth Sion and Kefka, I think. Both are incredibly memorable and different. Might be why they stick out in my mind, but it is better than being forgettable, eh?
 

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Well, I'm not much of a person to judge on comic book villains, but I'd say the joker. A crucial part of stopping a criminal (especially to a detective, which is what batman is, effectively) is finding out the motive, but what is the villain has no motive beyond causing chaos?

Done wrong, it could be a case of a one dimensional "evil for the sake of evil" villain, but the joker has enough mystery behind him and a genuinely interesting personality to pull it off. You believe he's utterly insane, you believe that he simply enjoys chaos, that he believes, to a certain extent, that it's how things are meant to be.

Favourite game villains are a little more difficult...because there's so many. Ranging from the utter joyous sillyness of Albert Wesker, to the believable creepiness of Sander Cohen, there's so many to choose from.

For sake of argument, I'm going to say it's Mr scratch from Alan Wake's American Nightmare, because, my god, more people need to know about Mr scratch. American Nightmare was a wierd game. It was a follow up to a strongly narrative based game that went for action, and for the most part, made it work. I've spent far more time on American Nightmare on the excellent arcade mode, but if anything made me care about the fairly short campaign, it's the villain, Mr scratch. He's a psycho who LOVES what he does. He's taken Alan's prescence in the real world, and he knows he's too powerful for anyone who doesn't already know about the dark prescence to stop him, and at the moment, that's pretty much just Alan. He goes around doing whatever the hell he likes, because nobody can stop him. It makes him a fun villain, and very accurate as the dark side of alan. He indulges in anything, and everything, no matter who it hurts. Ikka Villi, the model and actor for Alan Wake, also plays Mr scratch, and he does a great job of it, enjoying every moment.

And he has a kick-ass theme song
 

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Comics: Griffith from Berserk.

He's basically an untouchable anti-Christ who even fools the audience into to thinking he's good, despite previously sacrificing his former friends and companions to demons in order to obtain his godlike powers.
 

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Games: I think it's an easy choice, GlaDos, she so evil yet we love her.
Comics: A bit of a joke answer but I'm going with Mephisto just because he is such a long running big villain in the Marvel universe and he made Spiderman fans shit bricks.
 

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Oddly for me the similarities are uncanny but for unrelated reasons.

The best comic book villain bar none is the Joker, and I dont even think its in question so its not really worth beating that dead horse.

The greatest video game villain I would have to vote Kefka from FF3.

Yes in a way at first glance Kefka seems like a poor imitation of the Joker, but thats not really what makes him great. Actually his humor and madness are rather run of the mill in the scheme of the story.

What makes Kefka great is that he is one of the very very few villains in not only video game history but most media who actually 100% accomplished exactly what he intended to do in completely obliterating the world and remaking it of his own design. It wasnt he did it, and the protagonists stop it before the effects get too severe, The world is irrevocably changed and is so for an amount of time that the survivors had to learn to cope with the realities of his world.
 

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Best ? strongest.

Anyway...hmmm.

Best videogame villain, IMHO would be from Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodline::
[spolier]Prince Lacroix...sure he's up to no good, tries to have you killed and all, by I can really feel for him, Gary gets the sarcophagus nicked, you wreck his plans etc...sorta feel sorry for him[/spoiler]

Comic book...IMHO, most comic book villains aren't very good, not much time to develop themselves...

Oh, the daemon from Bloodquest, gets some great lines. I'm a sucker for speeches.
 

Rastien

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Going to have to go with Medusa from souleater the single most evil and vile character i have come across.

Can't really explain why without spoilers... but jesues is this skank nasty :(

 

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Favourite video game villain is The Jackel from Farcry2... I love how he has his own agenda, and is hell bent on just trying to change the players mind rather than actually killing him...!

My favourite comic villain is the Angelus from The Darkness... I like how she is the 'power of good' yet is so driven to killing The Darkness that she ends up being worse than The Darkness herself!
 
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Khazoth said:
So, I saw this debate somewhere about villains. The gist of the debate was that both comic book villains and video game villains tend to be insanely powerful. Comic book villains given power to add drama to the story so the heroes have something to overcome, and video game villains to make the final boss battle difficult.

So let the debate begin, who is the best villain in comic books?

Who is the best video game villain?

And which of those two is the stronger villain in your opinion?
Comic Books:

You have to ask?


For an entire generation of people, whenever they read Batman, that's the voice they hear. And it is awesome.

Best videogame villain?

Not sure. Some very human villains, like Andrew Ryan, are really complex and well thought out, others, like GLaDOS, make for awesome boss fights, and then there are the villains without clearly defined individuals like the Combine who are terrifying as a whole (this also kind of applies to the Reapers)

Personally I'd say I prefer terrifying faceless hordes to individuals. An individual can be killed, but a horde always has reserves. For that I nominate the Flood from Halo. Destroy them to a single spore? They'll still come back as long as they have that one spore. Also, they terrified me like nothing else the first time I played Halo.

Obviously, the Flood are technically stronger, but I still think the Joker would win against them. We've seen that certain people are immune to the Flood, and the Joker's toxic blood would probably give him that protection.
 

Battleaxx90

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I don't read a lot of comic books, but I can say without a doubt that my fave villain in a video game is this one guy from Xenoblade Chronicles



See this asshat here? That's Zanza, the God of the Bionis, A.K.A. the living embodiment of the Plot Twist.

Ten minutes after he's introduced, he's already killed the main character, brutalized his girlfriend, stolen their Macguffins, revealed the truth behind your visions of the future (you were always destined to make it this far: he was just showing you what you needed to see to get there), inadvertently made everybody realize that the former Big Bad of the game had everybody's best interest at heart by trying to destroy the Bionis (long story) and oh yeah, he DESTROYED THE FREAKING MECHONIS, KILLING ALMOST EVERYBODY LIVING ON IT.

And why does he do all this? He's a God, so f^(# you, that's why.

(Sorry if I missed a thing or two, it's been a while since I last played the game.)

So yeah; he's an asshole, you want him dead, and the game gives you zetta good reasons for thinking so. Awesome, awesome villain.