Violent Videogames Cause "Macbeth Effect"
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what did the gamers pick! D: I feel like my knowledge of the study is fundamentally incomplete! D:
But that's my exact point.Dr.Panties said:
People who are invested in games (that is to say, people here) always dismiss any of these studies that have even slightly negative results. "Oh, they've got an agenda". "They've just got it in for games." "This is bullshit, I play CoD every day and I never killed anybody." Even something like this which is vague and not particularly critical.
Then, on those rare occasions when someone says that video game violence doesn't have any effect, everybody is all, "Fuck yes Science has prevailed!"
Basically, this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/8903-Gamer-Science].
That doesn't strike you as the slightest bit silly?
I love how people are getting all defensive about this when the study isn't one of those videogames turn people into Hitler studies it is just looking at the effects of a violent videogame on someone who has never played them compared to someone who has.
It doesn't strike me as anything other than typical of what we are. This constitutes us. This is what we do, and have done, since the capacity for argument manifested. And I will do exactly the same, and so will you, despite any pretensions to the contrary.Zhukov said:
Introduce a context within which consensus is, fundamentally, unachievable (the inernetzz), and no-one should be surprised, least of all one as articulate as yourself. This is said without irony and, for what it's worth, I retract the tone of my previous post.
Guys, drop the pointy sticks and back away from the nice people in the white coats. They didn't actually claim to have proven that you don't feel moral guilt and therefore are bad. There's been no demonstration that the so-called experienced gamers were also desensitized to displays of actual real-world violence, so I don't see that this is any kind of attack on our characters.
Besides, if they do attack our characters we'll kick their asses.
Besides, if they do attack our characters we'll kick their asses.
They didn't make up the name, it was already called the Macbeth Effect long before it was connected to video games.FalloutJack said:
The only thing this experiment is trying to prove about video games, is that first time players feel guilty about them.
It doesn't need to prove that guilt materializes in cleansing, because THAT HAS ALREAD BEEN PROVEN in several other experiments.
As an actual science researcher, I must agree on the issue raised against the sample size. While I understand the point of the study (people more frequently exposed to violent media are more desensitized to violent media: tautology ahoy!), the sample size is insufficient for statistical relevance.
I believe the point that we're trying to wrestle with here is that there's nothing unclean about gaming, ergo the idea that this study is...well...bogus. I'm fairly certain it's not important that it's an effect elsewhere...Alterego-X said:
76 people.
Expecting significant results.
Lol no.
That's a pathetic sample size and the findings are bullshit. I don't give a damn if it's negative or positive (this isn't really either) but do your science correctly. 76 people. That's not even funny for an experiment.
Expecting significant results.
Lol no.
That's a pathetic sample size and the findings are bullshit. I don't give a damn if it's negative or positive (this isn't really either) but do your science correctly. 76 people. That's not even funny for an experiment.
Agreed.Thespian said:
I'm also not seeing any evidence of a control group - all this study says to me is that experienced gamers buy less cosmetic product.
And you can find this out by visiting ANY convention / LAN party / gathering of experienced gamers.
Can anyone find the actual research article? The source of this article leads to the Luxembourg university website, but no link to the actual research article.
A very conclusive and useful study. I performed a study too. The majority of 76 people beat up and nicked the wallets of researchers at the University of Luxembourg for performing what they considered useless research, then played violent videogames as a reward and a form of catharsis for morally righteous beating up of pointless researchers. Many also lit up a celebratory cigarette in a mirror of post-coital bliss.
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,
creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
to the last syllable of recorded time.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life is but a walking shadow. A poor player
that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard no more. 'Tis a tale
Told by an idiot. Full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing!
I thought I'd forgotton that quote.
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creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
to the last syllable of recorded time.
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
the way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life is but a walking shadow. A poor player
that struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And is heard no more. 'Tis a tale
Told by an idiot. Full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing!
I thought I'd forgotton that quote.
Heh, I was thinking that too.Sylveria said:
EDIT; spelin