Volition Dev Vs. Pre-Owned Games
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Meh. When you guys at colition stop making shitty games we can discuss me buying them. Get working on a new FreeSpace.
As for the idea of locking games to accounts: well, console people, this is what we PC gamers have been bitching over for years. I personally won't be buying new consoles if this is implemented. My PS3 and 360 will suffice.
As for the idea of locking games to accounts: well, console people, this is what we PC gamers have been bitching over for years. I personally won't be buying new consoles if this is implemented. My PS3 and 360 will suffice.
Thank you for this.Grey Carter said:
And there's no way in hell used games are the demons this guy is saying they are. I understand that you guys need your $60 - really, I do. But don't you dare tell me I can't buy a used game if I'm not sure about the title. Hell, I wish I could sell back PC games, too, because I own quite a few completely awful titles on Steam.
I think Louis C.K. said it best:
"Suck a bag of dicks."
Here's an idea for all you whiny shithole publishers who love to piss on about how "parasitic" Gamestop and its customers are: don't renew their distribution contracts. Stop selling them new games, and see who it hurts more. If you're really doing them a favor by having them whore out your games before they're even released, then they'll die off. After all, you still have the shelf space in all the big-box retailers, right? So cut off their life support.
Why don't you do that? Show them who's boss? Is it because you know your sales will tank and you'll starve yourself? Find out that you're NOT the boss?
Gamestop is a company that's not gay, religious, or of an ethnic minority, so there's no law that says you HAVE to do business with them.
So put up or STFU, and stop inflicting your empty-headed little cheerleaders on the rest of us. We know that yes, Gamestop are scumbags who horribly rip off those who sell them games, but that the scumbags go all the way to the top of the chain, and your noisy little twerp brigade is not going to do much to convince us that you're "poor, victimized little street-waifs who need us to help you." If they're such a horrible enemy to the industry, stop feeding them, instead of grubbing onto every dollar you can and then expecting pathetic PR stunts to do your dirty work for you.
(NB: For any of said cheerleaders who think this is a defense of GameStop, read the last paragraph again. Repeat until it sinks in, or you die of starvation.)
"Suck a bag of dicks."
Here's an idea for all you whiny shithole publishers who love to piss on about how "parasitic" Gamestop and its customers are: don't renew their distribution contracts. Stop selling them new games, and see who it hurts more. If you're really doing them a favor by having them whore out your games before they're even released, then they'll die off. After all, you still have the shelf space in all the big-box retailers, right? So cut off their life support.
Why don't you do that? Show them who's boss? Is it because you know your sales will tank and you'll starve yourself? Find out that you're NOT the boss?
Gamestop is a company that's not gay, religious, or of an ethnic minority, so there's no law that says you HAVE to do business with them.
So put up or STFU, and stop inflicting your empty-headed little cheerleaders on the rest of us. We know that yes, Gamestop are scumbags who horribly rip off those who sell them games, but that the scumbags go all the way to the top of the chain, and your noisy little twerp brigade is not going to do much to convince us that you're "poor, victimized little street-waifs who need us to help you." If they're such a horrible enemy to the industry, stop feeding them, instead of grubbing onto every dollar you can and then expecting pathetic PR stunts to do your dirty work for you.
(NB: For any of said cheerleaders who think this is a defense of GameStop, read the last paragraph again. Repeat until it sinks in, or you die of starvation.)
One would really have to hope that developers don't think we're that stupid. That we're all just a bunch of mindless lemmings humping each other for the next crumb to be thrown our way from the developers. Do they honestly think we'll buy it that they're losing money on making these games? That used game sales are just ripping their business apart? It's like all the music artists that whined and moaned about downloading music was losing them money...then after the interview they went back to snorting coke off a stripper's ass.Grey Carter said:
So yeah, basically this:
This applies to any game company out there. If you make a shitty game you're not going to be making any money off of it anyways. If you make a good game, then you'll make a shit load of money in the first couple weeks...that's how it works: one big jackpot at the start with a slowly diminishing return afterword.RaNDM G said:
To sum up my position, here's what I said in another topic dealing with this exact same news story:
RJ 17 said:
I actually made an account with the Escapist just to comment on this article.
Volition. Throw away that useless martyr complex. I have never thought of any of your games as being worth more than a weekend's worth of play borrowed from a friend long-since bored of your empty games. If Xbox DOES make a console that outlaws used games, say goodbye to YOUR sales.
I pay for games new all the time. I prefer to buy them used over new just because it feels more like "my" game and if it breaks, it was my fault. But I also love the used game market because years after a game comes out, if I want to play an older game, I can find it easily on the shelf of a nearby game store for cheap. It no longer stands up to current games, so I pay less money for it (LOGIC. DERP.) and yet it's not rare and hard to find, so I don't have to pay 90 dollars on ebay for a "Collector's copy" like when I wanted to get Marvel vs. Capcom 2 way before it was on XBLA and the only physical copies were like 70 dollars even though the game was like 10 years old.
But let me say this for sure. If a game system decided to outlaw used games and only allow me one console per game... FUCK. THAT. When I buy games, I run to a friend's house within the first few days to play it there. I WILL NOT go through a lengthy "subscription transfer" so my friend and I can goof off for a few rounds in Soul Calibur V. If Xbox decides to move in this way, as a long-standing Xbox fan (and die-hard console fanboy for a while, as I'm ashamed to say), I will officially call myself a Sony fan and by the PS4.
God, this asshole... boiled my blood so bad I had to make an account to rant so I wouldn't be in a bad mood all day. Geez. And Volition, this is a promise. If games become New-ONLY, I will learn everything I can about hacking/pirating and find a way to crack your games and give away hundreds of thousands of copies for free. Just to laugh and watch you squirm.
Volition. Throw away that useless martyr complex. I have never thought of any of your games as being worth more than a weekend's worth of play borrowed from a friend long-since bored of your empty games. If Xbox DOES make a console that outlaws used games, say goodbye to YOUR sales.
I pay for games new all the time. I prefer to buy them used over new just because it feels more like "my" game and if it breaks, it was my fault. But I also love the used game market because years after a game comes out, if I want to play an older game, I can find it easily on the shelf of a nearby game store for cheap. It no longer stands up to current games, so I pay less money for it (LOGIC. DERP.) and yet it's not rare and hard to find, so I don't have to pay 90 dollars on ebay for a "Collector's copy" like when I wanted to get Marvel vs. Capcom 2 way before it was on XBLA and the only physical copies were like 70 dollars even though the game was like 10 years old.
But let me say this for sure. If a game system decided to outlaw used games and only allow me one console per game... FUCK. THAT. When I buy games, I run to a friend's house within the first few days to play it there. I WILL NOT go through a lengthy "subscription transfer" so my friend and I can goof off for a few rounds in Soul Calibur V. If Xbox decides to move in this way, as a long-standing Xbox fan (and die-hard console fanboy for a while, as I'm ashamed to say), I will officially call myself a Sony fan and by the PS4.
God, this asshole... boiled my blood so bad I had to make an account to rant so I wouldn't be in a bad mood all day. Geez. And Volition, this is a promise. If games become New-ONLY, I will learn everything I can about hacking/pirating and find a way to crack your games and give away hundreds of thousands of copies for free. Just to laugh and watch you squirm.
The PC gaming section of stores was shrinking before Digital Distribution became big mainly due to online stores (Amazon, Play etc) offering better deals and PC gamers more likely to spot them along with no pre-owned.Crono1973 said:
So its not only obvious that Volition let a "Project $10" situation enter Saints 3, but they goddam love that business model! Well, I know what games I am intentionally getting used: THQ and EA games (if I ever do, like with Saints 4), just to mess with them for a drop in the bucket.
Well, fuck this fucknut. If the next generation of consoles comes out with some anti-used games technology, I'm one guy who won't be buying.
As someone who researches almost all of his game purchases thoroughly (unless I know for damn certain I want it, i.e. Dark Souls) and still ends up with a game that maybe reviews well or sounds fun but is still a dud, I would be choked.
There would be little to no recourse for consumers to recoup losses when faced with a bad purchase. What about gift purchases? Your [insert relative] gets you a game, you try it out, don't like it return it with your gift receipt. Oh wait, no, you won't. There's no used games sales for your console so you're stuck with it.
I understand that video game makers need to make money to keep putting out games, but if they're going to continue to try and bleed me for every cent they can, without letting me save a few pennies here and there when I need to, I just won't support them at all anymore. I can happily keep playing PS3, 3DS, PSP, PSV and Xbox titles for years to come yet. Years. Enough years to be well into a struggling console generation that is lacking customers because a huge number of them have been financially locked out of buying games.
I realize that game pirates play a large role in this, but the people that are really pushing me away from video games (and it's starting) are greedy publishers and entitles developers.
As someone who researches almost all of his game purchases thoroughly (unless I know for damn certain I want it, i.e. Dark Souls) and still ends up with a game that maybe reviews well or sounds fun but is still a dud, I would be choked.
There would be little to no recourse for consumers to recoup losses when faced with a bad purchase. What about gift purchases? Your [insert relative] gets you a game, you try it out, don't like it return it with your gift receipt. Oh wait, no, you won't. There's no used games sales for your console so you're stuck with it.
I understand that video game makers need to make money to keep putting out games, but if they're going to continue to try and bleed me for every cent they can, without letting me save a few pennies here and there when I need to, I just won't support them at all anymore. I can happily keep playing PS3, 3DS, PSP, PSV and Xbox titles for years to come yet. Years. Enough years to be well into a struggling console generation that is lacking customers because a huge number of them have been financially locked out of buying games.
I realize that game pirates play a large role in this, but the people that are really pushing me away from video games (and it's starting) are greedy publishers and entitles developers.
So, to get this straight, the best idea the industry has for increasing sales is NOT to create better games, thus making a customer more likely to feel a game DESERVES to be bought new, but instead to force the consumer into overpaying for games they would not otherwise buy new and in doing so prevent people that WOULD have bought the game at the lower, used price, and told their friends about it and spread positive press, from actually buying it. You're purposefully limiting your potential fan base, thus HURTING your own sales margin, because you think that used games are the worst thing ever. That's the plan?
I'd like to think Microsoft is not that dumb. I'd like to think that, as a college student, the barrier to entry to actually play games, especially since I'll be spending my next two years in the U.K. where games are more expensive than Volition's narrow-minded assessment of the United States, won't become that high.
...Please, Microsoft. Don't be this dumb. I'll jump to Sony in .005 seconds. Oh, and if you do this too, Sony, then I'll just be going to PCs, and I'd bet dollars to donuts I'm far from the only one who will.
Continue at your own risk, games industry, and please, try not to step on the corpses of those who have supported you for so long on your way out if this shit passes.
I'd like to think Microsoft is not that dumb. I'd like to think that, as a college student, the barrier to entry to actually play games, especially since I'll be spending my next two years in the U.K. where games are more expensive than Volition's narrow-minded assessment of the United States, won't become that high.
...Please, Microsoft. Don't be this dumb. I'll jump to Sony in .005 seconds. Oh, and if you do this too, Sony, then I'll just be going to PCs, and I'd bet dollars to donuts I'm far from the only one who will.
Continue at your own risk, games industry, and please, try not to step on the corpses of those who have supported you for so long on your way out if this shit passes.
New games only works on the PC because they are so cheap and go on sale fast. A week after release, I got DE:HR for $34.99 and preordered Witcher 2 for $33.
On the Volition side of things, I got Red Faction: Armageddon for $5.99 a couple months ago.
Send me the memo when this happens to console games.
On the Volition side of things, I got Red Faction: Armageddon for $5.99 a couple months ago.
Send me the memo when this happens to console games.
O I laughed when I read "only 60$" o you lucky ones who get to play bad games and lose interest in gaming because every time you paid 60$ you've gotten disappointed. And then we have a decreasing fan base woho mission succeed crashing our company yey what we wanted...
OH wait they have THQ as publishers that explains it...
And if it were only 60$ the difference and tax makes games around here more in (translated in to dollars again) 75-80$... plus the special eds..
OH wait they have THQ as publishers that explains it...
And if it were only 60$ the difference and tax makes games around here more in (translated in to dollars again) 75-80$... plus the special eds..
...See, this is why I'm terrified. There are people on other forums who keep trying to tell me there's no way Microsoft would ever actually do this...but they've made plenty of decisions before that would lend me to believe they actually could do something this dumb. I'm terrified for the next generation of gamer that may grow up not knowing better and put up with this nonsense.BigTuk said:Two words Falcon123 "Windows Vista". You want 3 words "Windows Millenium Edition"Falcon123 said:
See, I'm going to have to respectfully disagree on the entitled claim in this particular issue. You can buy used movies. You can buy used televisions. You can buy used furniture. You can buy used literally anything else (though on some things, I'm fairly certain you wouldn't want to). Why shouldn't we be allowed to buy used games.FelixG said:
You could argue that Gamestop is fishy. Fine. Agree to disagree. My experience is that for every one with shady practices there are at least two that handle themselves well, but that's not the argument here. There are plenty of other ways to buy used games (Amazon, Ebay, hell, even Wal-Marts near me have done it before), and all of them are invalid under this policy too. So is the policy of borrowing games from friends, something I do regularly.
And on your final point, there's a big difference between software and hardware. At $60 on a moral issue when compared to a game of incredibly high quality, you're likely to get over yourself and buy away because honestly, the game is worth it. This is the type of policy that for me, and anyone else without a bunch of disposable cash on hand, will make it impossible to continue to game with the habits I have at that price point. I won't put down $400 on a system that doesn't let me play games the way I want to play them, and I'm sure a lot of people would rather put that much money somewhere else.
And people said I was stupid for looking forward to the WiiU.
What about when friends want to let someone else play their game? I lend my sister my copy of Brawl all the time. My good friend lent me the first two Assassin's Creed games (and then I went and bought Brotherhood). Businesses like Gamefly would not be happy with something like this, considering it goes against their entire business model. And as someone who regularly rents games, this pisses me off as well.
Honestly, as Microsoft (and Sony to a lesser extent) continues to try and make their console more and more of a heavily restricted gaming PC, sooner or later people are going to just decide to get a gaming PC. The entire point of console gaming is to be convenient. FOR THE CONSUMER. Here's hoping Sony doesn't do something as stupid, or I'll be going only with Nintendo again next generation.
What about when friends want to let someone else play their game? I lend my sister my copy of Brawl all the time. My good friend lent me the first two Assassin's Creed games (and then I went and bought Brotherhood). Businesses like Gamefly would not be happy with something like this, considering it goes against their entire business model. And as someone who regularly rents games, this pisses me off as well.
Honestly, as Microsoft (and Sony to a lesser extent) continues to try and make their console more and more of a heavily restricted gaming PC, sooner or later people are going to just decide to get a gaming PC. The entire point of console gaming is to be convenient. FOR THE CONSUMER. Here's hoping Sony doesn't do something as stupid, or I'll be going only with Nintendo again next generation.
Chances are they'll move to digital only, and then not provide a way to move the game's rights around. As far as I know, Steam is the only service to let you sell your digital games.
Anyway, if a console does do that, I hope to hell that it fails so utterly that in 50 years it will go down as "worst electronic device of the century"/"Why Microsoft is bankrupt".
I wonder if developers have ever considered lowering their budgets? Stupid asses.
Anyway, if a console does do that, I hope to hell that it fails so utterly that in 50 years it will go down as "worst electronic device of the century"/"Why Microsoft is bankrupt".
I wonder if developers have ever considered lowering their budgets? Stupid asses.