God I loved necromunda, even if my House orlock gang was boring and my Spyre Hunters kept getting rolled over by ratskins...
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Read this [http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Ultramarines] People do still like the Ultramarines for their old school reputation as the everyman. It's just whenever Matt Ward starts changing canon to make them equal in power to the Emperor that people start to get pissed off.MrDeckard said:
Where to start is a tough question. I'd start at first with http://wh40k.lexicanum.com mainly because, while there is a lot of fluff and non-canon in there, it gives you a good overview of the Factions and most history of the Universe. Once you've done that, try one of the Bookseries, honestly any mentioned here is good enough, though i'd start with Ciphias Cain, Gaunt's Ghosts, the first four Horus Heresy Books and Angels of Darkness/Fallen Angels.
They all give a good view into the Universe, skimming over alot of Factions and the general Feel of "everyone is a asshole ultimately". You can really pick any of those and see where you go from there, i'd suggest Dawn of War Series, the first Game including Winter Assault and Dark Crusade, as they give also some generic Idea of how the Wars are fought and the general mindset of said fights/armies.
After that, well more Books and the Table Top await.
Still, most Necrons are slaves to the C'tan so..at best you get maybe a handful that can really be described as having free will.
They all give a good view into the Universe, skimming over alot of Factions and the general Feel of "everyone is a asshole ultimately". You can really pick any of those and see where you go from there, i'd suggest Dawn of War Series, the first Game including Winter Assault and Dark Crusade, as they give also some generic Idea of how the Wars are fought and the general mindset of said fights/armies.
After that, well more Books and the Table Top await.
Actually thats not quite correct. You can play Necrons as belonging to different C'tan but they arent entirely outside their Control ultimately. At best you get a very small Warband Type which has some semblence of free will. Necrons are ultimately Slaves with little to no free will at all, some are twisted depending on which C'tan they belong to, i.e. using the Outsider for your Army, while you cant use the actual Outsider as a Unit, allows you to play your Necron army more freely due to the inherent insanity of the Outsider by itself.Nouw said:
Still, most Necrons are slaves to the C'tan so..at best you get maybe a handful that can really be described as having free will.
Oh...... Oh god.... Those statements.... Why?????????Soviet Heavy said:
This person needs to die.....
Horus Rising, Eisenhorn, and Ravenor (last two should be read in that order) are all good books. Hell, read anything written by Dan Abnett.
Dawn of War games are good, but skip Soulstorm. It's an unfinished games with bugs, loading issues, and terrible script. Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3MttgvHUY
Lexicanum is a good source for random fluff material.
Dawn of War games are good, but skip Soulstorm. It's an unfinished games with bugs, loading issues, and terrible script. Observe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO3MttgvHUY
Lexicanum is a good source for random fluff material.
I'd rather go with 4th Edition. I just felt that 5th edition was where things started going overboard. 4th Edition was pretty bleak, but there was still a glimmer of hope left in the tabletop game. 5th Edition took all the even slightly optimistic fluff and went "NO! NEEDS MOAR GRIMDARK!"Iwata said:
If you just want to get a shot of the lore without having to go through much fluff go to the Lexicanum website, it's a great WH wiki. Personally I think it's a shame that most WH lit gets written about Space Marines, Imperial Guard or maybe Chaos Space Marines, I find the Eldar to be much more interesting.
It gets worse. You heard the SoB are having a mini update next White Dwarf? Apparently, Matt Ward is writing that as well. Although to be fair, what I keep hearing amounts to Matt Ward is writing every update including the Kitchen Sink, so I can't say that for definate. Though if this should be the case, definately an interesting one.SckizoBoy said:
SckizoBoy said:
Phil Kelly wrote the 4th Ed. Marine codex incidentally O.OSckizoBoy said:
I hope. So far it looks like GoW: 40K edition.SckizoBoy said:
personally, id either read the horus heresy, or, and here's a shocker, go out and find a codex you might like, and read it, i started on the grey knights but if that aint your thing there is always imperial guard, or you could read the rulebook, good comprehensive evaluation of all the races, though you might not want to spend the money
My first foray into the 40K world was Dark Crusade...I loved it. I looked at the many races of advanced aliens, savage monsters and super powered soldiers and I said to myself "Im gonna play as the normal guys, the Guardsmen!"
It was the best, and worst decision I made.
I loved the idea of being a "normal" man in a world with aliens and monsters and space marines, using whatever tactic or trick too simply stay alive. however, the problem I had with Dark Crusade was the Necrons. they were an overpowered race, and the Necron Lord just...he...he pissed me off so. (A typical battle against a necron lord: I move out with a few guardsmen squads and my hero, Necron Lord pops up, uses his cloud like ability which prevents the ability to fire ranged weaponry) It was a bad time. especially after I managed to purge both the space marine traitors and the chaos marines from the planet.
Despite that however, I loved the game. the constant struggle to stay alive, the universe itself....great, great stuff.
It was the best, and worst decision I made.
I loved the idea of being a "normal" man in a world with aliens and monsters and space marines, using whatever tactic or trick too simply stay alive. however, the problem I had with Dark Crusade was the Necrons. they were an overpowered race, and the Necron Lord just...he...he pissed me off so. (A typical battle against a necron lord: I move out with a few guardsmen squads and my hero, Necron Lord pops up, uses his cloud like ability which prevents the ability to fire ranged weaponry) It was a bad time. especially after I managed to purge both the space marine traitors and the chaos marines from the planet.
Despite that however, I loved the game. the constant struggle to stay alive, the universe itself....great, great stuff.
One... oh... very dear. I wonder how the Escapist's 'friendly Sister of Battle' will take that. If it's anything like the Grey Knights, faith points will be pure pwnage...Sir Shockwave said:
And as for Phil... I don't think he did write the 4Ed SM (Andy Chambers?), he did the 4Ed rulebook and Space Wolves, IIRC.
I think we're a bit late for that, old boy, the fluff in Blood Angels and Grey Knights were truly bewildering and infuriating in equal measure... so, if SoB gone beardy is going to give us heart attacks of the order of the earlier two, I think I'm inured to it now!RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
Only a rumor I heard from some of the Store Staff. Then again, I know people who say he's working on 'Crons, Tau...basically every codex and the kitchen sink. All I can confirm is some old news about him updating the Black Templars (again, another ironic choice given he gave them the finger for disagreeing with the Smurfs. Incidentally, anyone thinking him updating the SoB's a bit ironic as well, given his habit of slaughtering more of them than Guardsmen?), but until I have a copy in my hands I can't comment further.SckizoBoy said:
*retrives Mangled 4th Ed Space Marine codex*SckizoBoy said:
Ah no, I got it wrong. It was a joint written project between Pete Haines and Graham McNeil. For the record, I prefer the 4th Ed Codex over the current 5th Ed one, especially since you could add some flavor to the Marines in a similar flavor to the IG Doctrines system at the time
Well, we live in hope/despair, I guess. I'd like more Graham McNeil codices, actually (I think he did the Harlequins mini-codex, which was awesome).Sir Shockwave said:
I liked the 4th Ed SM codex too, though the 5th Ed was more in line with the Ultramarine bent of the chapter layout. However, it removed all customisability from army lists, which was a bit gay. Back in 4th Ed, I once ran an army with six units of devastators in a bitching gun line, that was cool. But, the characters from 5th Ed are decent enough and have the whole chapter tactics thing, though most of them are rather boring (Stubborn, Fleet, Outflank, TL-F & M weapons just doesn't really have much individuality to it, though Fleeting Assault Terminators is just hilarious). And 5th Ed nerfed my Dark Angels... I proceeded to weep since the cost of bikes was ridiculous (35pts vs 25pts).
If Matt is writing it, I will eat my G2 Alternators Shockwave I keep on my desk.SckizoBoy said:
Yeah, I preferred the Chapter Traits system - as opposed to the IG Doctrines (where every guard army I saw ALWAYS took the Carapace Armour Doctrine), the Marine ones were balanced (mainly by adding points to already expensive models, and the fact you had to take a disadvantage as well) and simple enough to use (save maybe the "Scions of Mars" trait - never fully did understand that one) and encouraged custom chapters etc.SckizoBoy said:I liked the 4th Ed SM codex too, though the 5th Ed was more in line with the Ultramarine bent of the chapter layout. However, it removed all customisability from army lists, which was a bit gay. Back in 4th Ed, I once ran an army with six units of devastators in a bitching gun line, that was cool. But, the characters from 5th Ed are decent enough and have the whole chapter tactics thing, though most of them are rather boring (Stubborn, Fleet, Outflank, TL-F & M weapons just doesn't really have much individuality to it, though Fleeting Assault Terminators is just hilarious). And 5th Ed nerfed my Dark Angels... I proceeded to weep since the cost of bikes was ridiculous (35pts vs 25pts).
With a bit of a stretch though, you could use them to create chapters like the Dark Angels and Space Wolves with a bit of cleaver thinking and creative choices (Example: the traits "Take the fight to them" (allowing Tactical Marines with Boltguns to exchange them for a Bolt Pistol and Close Combat Weapon) and "No Mercy, No Respite" (for +3pts a Model, Tactical and Assault Squads could be given Furious Charge) with the Disadvantage Eye to Eye (May only take a maximum of One Land Speeder, Bike or Attack Bike Squadron) and Death Before Dishonor (The Salamanders old gimmick of getting an extra turn on a 4+, but inverted to it being your opponent's decision instead of yours) could be used as one example to represent Space Wolves - the possibilities however are pretty endless).
As a side note, 4th Ed Space Marines is so far the ONLY codex to give the Blood Ravens an actual Canon mention.
I swear I remember an offhand mention in the new BAs codex, but I could be deluded.Sir Shockwave said:
What? No love for Dark Heresy or (the recent version of) Rogue Trader? Grimdark tabletop roleplaying! Gotta love it! Especially with sub-systems like Insanity and Corruption, and the Critical Damage charts.
What's that? 10 points of Critical Impact Damage to the face? Not only does the head explode in a shower of gore and cause everyone nearby to potentially lose their turn due to wiping said gore from their eyes, but the bullet has the chance of hitting the guy standing behind the poor unlucky bastard (or lucky, depending on your point of view, since he no longer has eyes to wipe gore out of).
I'm running a campaign online and a campaign in person. Generally my players enjoy themselves quite a bit, despite the GRIMDARK.
I'd suggest checking out the rulebooks for these systems. There's also one for Space Marines called Deathwatch, but meh to that! The SPESS MAUREENS are total Mary Sues.
What's that? 10 points of Critical Impact Damage to the face? Not only does the head explode in a shower of gore and cause everyone nearby to potentially lose their turn due to wiping said gore from their eyes, but the bullet has the chance of hitting the guy standing behind the poor unlucky bastard (or lucky, depending on your point of view, since he no longer has eyes to wipe gore out of).
I'm running a campaign online and a campaign in person. Generally my players enjoy themselves quite a bit, despite the GRIMDARK.
I'd suggest checking out the rulebooks for these systems. There's also one for Space Marines called Deathwatch, but meh to that! The SPESS MAUREENS are total Mary Sues.
Possibly, but then I haven't really read the Blood Angels codex in full. Having said that, I find that very doubtful, despite the similair sounding names (if anything, some of the background anvils dropped (most notably in the HH Novel "Thousand Sons") seems to imply their a Thousand Sons Successor Chapter rather than a Blood Angels one).OhJohnNo said: