Honestly, just reading the title of this thread made me question your tastes in games, and whether you've played some other FPS. I see someone has already brought up Warfighter, so there's that. It's not even close to being bad. Is it not to your tastes? Apparently yes, by several hundred miles. But to say that is the worst triple-A FPS ever, out of all the garbage that has been put out? No, just no.
Was bioshock infinite the worst AAA FPS ever made?
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I found the perfect allegory for Brain-Cell's threads.
I mean, he's gotta be sitting back, chuckling in the bushes as people try to put out the flaming poop he left on The Escapists stoop.
...and no, I don't think Bioshock Infinite is the worst AAA game ever and and I don't think you do either to be honest. Well played though, you've managed to flame bait at least one person into a warning so far (hell, this post might make it two lol). Keep em coming Bumbling-Cell
I mean, he's gotta be sitting back, chuckling in the bushes as people try to put out the flaming poop he left on The Escapists stoop.
...and no, I don't think Bioshock Infinite is the worst AAA game ever and and I don't think you do either to be honest. Well played though, you've managed to flame bait at least one person into a warning so far (hell, this post might make it two lol). Keep em coming Bumbling-Cell
... I just bought Bioshock Infinite yesterday to play in VR and now it's being rated the worst FPS ever?! Bah. Just my luck I knew I should have waited for the way-late reviews to come in!
But in all seriousness, borrowed it from a friend shortly after it came out and thought it was a blast, not 10/10 but it was fun. Best of the bioshocks, but by no means perfect; I wouldn't have praised it as much as reviewers did when it was released. So far the VR aspect of things though is making my opinion sway, but I know that's more the VR aspect than the game itself.
I knew I should have waited for the way-late reviews to come in!But in all seriousness, borrowed it from a friend shortly after it came out and thought it was a blast, not 10/10 but it was fun. Best of the bioshocks, but by no means perfect; I wouldn't have praised it as much as reviewers did when it was released. So far the VR aspect of things though is making my opinion sway, but I know that's more the VR aspect than the game itself.
If you don't mind me asking, how would you rate the VR in of itself? I ask because I actually took part in a VR trial when I was at university (hour of playing games for $10-20, good times),* and can't say it was my cup of tea. And looking at VR games now, the only one that seems to be more than a gimmick is Bridge Command. But happy to hear an opinion to the contrary.Vinsin said:... I just bought Bioshock Infinite yesterday to play in VR and now it's being rated the worst FPS ever?! Bah. Just my luck
But in all seriousness, borrowed it from a friend shortly after it came out and thought it was a blast, not 10/10 but it was fun. Best of the bioshocks, but by no means perfect; I wouldn't have praised it as much as reviewers did when it was released. So far the VR aspect of things though is making my opinion sway, but I know that's more the VR aspect than the game itself.
*Other trials including games such as Total War and Myst.
Hawki said:
Well I don't want to commandeer the thread. So I'm going to preface this with "MY OPINION" in nifty quotes as well as try to keep this as on topic as possible;
*pray I get the tagging right*
For VR in general, we're past 'gimmick' at this point; if -nothing- else it's taking a solid spot in 3D design assistance; creating models in virtual reality is vastly easier and it'll only improve as the programs (and hacked modifications) that support it improve, Tilt Brush showed the potential, the ease, now it's just being put into real application. The usefulness there is enough to concrete it's existence alone ; and 360 Videos? I watched a skydiving one and enjoyed the experience, another one underwater swimming with sharks and found it compelling; entertaining, truly wanted to reach out and touch things they felt so close at points in some 360 Video's I've watched, a level of enjoyment you'll never find no matter how much you try with a 4K TV; now we just need professional adopters to make use of that amazing technology.
I'm replaying all my old titles in VR (VorpX) and enjoying them more now than I did originally and that's *with* the hassle of setting them up. It takes 15-45 minutes per game, yeah, it can be bad; but I always find myself grinning big when I'm done with setup, I was finding The Long Dark especially compelling, but decided I'd go ahead and setup Bioshock Inf. just so 'when I was ready to play it' I'd have that done..... well, setup took .. 10 minutes; three hours later of playing I finally took a break.)
Can't wait to see VR when it's streamlined for the average non-techy no-patience person. That's not even playing to VR's strengths of 'made for VR' titles that utilize the full roomscale experience; or that it's taken over as my primary monitor in it's current state and I will bask in the resolution upgrade of CV2 someday which will just make it even better.
Vivecraft being an grand example of a game I'd never be able to return to the original Monitor verson of, not after fearing falling off a mountain I was *physically* walking on the edge of in my playspace, turned to stare down at the drop with a real sense of vertigo that was awesome just to start to walk away and be hit by a skeleton and in reality performed a jump turn and physically did a 'dash' forward within my small area and swung my controller like a real blade, impacting my sword against him and sending HIM off the mountain; no buttons pressed, just reactions. There is nothing like it, or the immersion you can get from it.
GTA IV's Roomscale likely to become one when I'm ready to try it.
Hell, Vireio offers a 'alpha' roomscale capability of Fallout 4 right now, I imagine it's got some bugs and difficulties, no doubt really, but when it's polished, kiss life goodbye on that alone =P but if Bethesa releases a true VR polished experience that's even better. Is VR stacked with huge AAA titles just yet and polished to perfection? No. If your the type that demands super 4K ultra ultra max everything and the type to nitpick every detail; or your just on a hard budget right now .. yeah pass, at least until CV2 ; but if your more of a reasonable.. maybe not the right word.. but a person that doesn't call for perfection and (in vorpx case) handle minor troubleshooting, love being immersed into your game and can handle the rough edges at the moment? Psh, no contest. It's worth it.
Again, that's not even including the 'Made specifically for VR' titles like Audioshield and Holopoint for workouts; Vanishing Realms, Hover Junkers, Brookhaven Experiment, Portal Stories, The Nest, Budget Cuts, The Gallery, Solus, Elite Dangerous; the partial ones that aren't there yet (Subnatica, Monsterum, ect) or only support Oculus (I don't support its' walled garden); but the Revive project cracks the DRM and tends to open those up; and more on the horizon.
There are warming stories spreading of those with medical vision issues being able to see 'depth' for the first time in their lives via VR Gaming; no relation to the topic just something kind of outstanding about the potential; can read star-struck owners now and again on reddit awed by what it did for them which is just.. well you don't get to say that about all that much in a gaming forum.
It has flaws while succeeding where it's meant to and it's future is set to stay; in every facet. I certainly won't be going back to a normal monitor for games I want to be immersed into, certainly not for my desktop use either save for quick ten minute sit downs to check something.
'An yeah, I enjoy it enough to write all of this while using the Vive via Virtual Desktop :3
So in regards to the topic, well, VR + Bioshock Inf. stole a chunk of my life and likely to take more. VR itself, has already taken countless hours.
I'm replaying all my old titles in VR (VorpX) and enjoying them more now than I did originally and that's *with* the hassle of setting them up. It takes 15-45 minutes per game, yeah, it can be bad; but I always find myself grinning big when I'm done with setup, I was finding The Long Dark especially compelling, but decided I'd go ahead and setup Bioshock Inf. just so 'when I was ready to play it' I'd have that done..... well, setup took .. 10 minutes; three hours later of playing I finally took a break.)
Can't wait to see VR when it's streamlined for the average non-techy no-patience person. That's not even playing to VR's strengths of 'made for VR' titles that utilize the full roomscale experience; or that it's taken over as my primary monitor in it's current state and I will bask in the resolution upgrade of CV2 someday which will just make it even better.
Vivecraft being an grand example of a game I'd never be able to return to the original Monitor verson of, not after fearing falling off a mountain I was *physically* walking on the edge of in my playspace, turned to stare down at the drop with a real sense of vertigo that was awesome just to start to walk away and be hit by a skeleton and in reality performed a jump turn and physically did a 'dash' forward within my small area and swung my controller like a real blade, impacting my sword against him and sending HIM off the mountain; no buttons pressed, just reactions. There is nothing like it, or the immersion you can get from it.
GTA IV's Roomscale likely to become one when I'm ready to try it.
Hell, Vireio offers a 'alpha' roomscale capability of Fallout 4 right now, I imagine it's got some bugs and difficulties, no doubt really, but when it's polished, kiss life goodbye on that alone =P but if Bethesa releases a true VR polished experience that's even better. Is VR stacked with huge AAA titles just yet and polished to perfection? No. If your the type that demands super 4K ultra ultra max everything and the type to nitpick every detail; or your just on a hard budget right now .. yeah pass, at least until CV2 ; but if your more of a reasonable.. maybe not the right word.. but a person that doesn't call for perfection and (in vorpx case) handle minor troubleshooting, love being immersed into your game and can handle the rough edges at the moment? Psh, no contest. It's worth it.
Again, that's not even including the 'Made specifically for VR' titles like Audioshield and Holopoint for workouts; Vanishing Realms, Hover Junkers, Brookhaven Experiment, Portal Stories, The Nest, Budget Cuts, The Gallery, Solus, Elite Dangerous; the partial ones that aren't there yet (Subnatica, Monsterum, ect) or only support Oculus (I don't support its' walled garden); but the Revive project cracks the DRM and tends to open those up; and more on the horizon.
There are warming stories spreading of those with medical vision issues being able to see 'depth' for the first time in their lives via VR Gaming; no relation to the topic just something kind of outstanding about the potential; can read star-struck owners now and again on reddit awed by what it did for them which is just.. well you don't get to say that about all that much in a gaming forum.
It has flaws while succeeding where it's meant to and it's future is set to stay; in every facet. I certainly won't be going back to a normal monitor for games I want to be immersed into, certainly not for my desktop use either save for quick ten minute sit downs to check something.
'An yeah, I enjoy it enough to write all of this while using the Vive via Virtual Desktop :3
So in regards to the topic, well, VR + Bioshock Inf. stole a chunk of my life and likely to take more. VR itself, has already taken countless hours.
TLDR/NonVR ramble: Yes..
That's it, just yes. I can't sum VR down into something short, opinions are widespread and varied, some love it, some hate it, some ramble that it's just strapping a tv to your head (hint: no.); well, my opinion is it's worth every penny right at this moment if your capable of troubleshooting and don't call for perfection; if you do, wait for CV2 then get it. But either way, VR is here to stay; it's amazing, has applications outside of gaming and movies and .. see, spark of passion hits and this ends up not being a short post. So - Yes.
More 'on topic; Bioshock's beginning scenes are breathtaking in VR o.o just saying, like, damn, my girlfriend was laughing because I was just frozen, staring at it.. all of it, the light effects, the humming birds, I never gave a crap about those things to any great degree before; but in VR? I could have stared at any part of the bioshock scenery for hours... no, not a joke or exageration, it really can be that-- well, that stunning. In the 'arriving' in the chair portion, I wanted to touch the glass.. I really felt compelled to. It's that good, when it's working and all setup right. It just.. is.
Not all that hard. All you have to look for is:Laggyteabag said:
XXXXXX IS BEST / WORST (FPS) GAME EVARR
OT: Bioshock infinite. Right. Maybe if you presented a more compelling argument as to why it was the worst other than "worst level design" and "horrible" it might be worth arguing why it's the worst of all time. I can guarantee there's far worse, your opinion alone does not make it so.
Ok regarding level design, yes it's pretty linear. But so are games like Serious Sam and Painkiller. Not as good as the other 2 Bioshocks, but served the narrative and combat style well enough.
There are a lot worse sidekicks/escortees than Elizabeth in any game. Resident Evil for example (Moira and Ashley)
Bioshock Infinite is a mediocre campaign shooter that somehow got massively popular due to a multiverse jackoff story. Wish I hadn't bought it for 60 dollars.
The gunplay is worse than Bioshock 2, and at least Bioshock 1 had interesting weapons. When you do things like replace a badass electrical trapping crossbow with a generic sniper rifle, and replace a large variety of weaponry with a 2 weapon limit, you've done fucked up.
The gunplay is worse than Bioshock 2, and at least Bioshock 1 had interesting weapons. When you do things like replace a badass electrical trapping crossbow with a generic sniper rifle, and replace a large variety of weaponry with a 2 weapon limit, you've done fucked up.
I like to pretend that some of the nitpicks (like the two weapon limit) was "because prequel" or something like that. But this is BEFORE you could hold all the weapons you get in the game, blah blah blah.
OT: Er... no. Good try, but no. Objectively speaking, it's not even a bad game. At worst, it's a "meh" game with a pretentious story. But it's not the worse AAA FPS ever made.
OT: Er... no. Good try, but no. Objectively speaking, it's not even a bad game. At worst, it's a "meh" game with a pretentious story. But it's not the worse AAA FPS ever made.
"Hey, this game is pretty good!"
"A-HA! That's where I think you'll find you are WRONG, sir! For in fact, this game you like is actually BAD!"
In all honesty, though, can we please get over this stupid, attention-seeking bullshit of "stop liking things I don't like?"
"A-HA! That's where I think you'll find you are WRONG, sir! For in fact, this game you like is actually BAD!"
In all honesty, though, can we please get over this stupid, attention-seeking bullshit of "stop liking things I don't like?"
Nah, if I was the opposite I wouldn't agree with him that System Shock 2 is legitimately good. But I've maintained for more than ten years now that HL2 is not a particularly good game. Its really quite average.Skatalite said:Lightspeaker said:
This thread... You're like the opposite of B-Cell.
The tech in it is impressive for its era but the story is flimsy, the level design isn't anything special and the guns are eh to use, generally pretty unsatisfying. Although I absolutely adore the source engine for shooters generally speaking and the sound work was pretty good.
"This is a B-Cell thread, isn't it?"
"Damn it, B-Cell."
No, no it is not. Hyperbole is not your friend in the quantities that you use it.
"Damn it, B-Cell."
No, no it is not. Hyperbole is not your friend in the quantities that you use it.
I've actually suspected for a while that he does most of this for laughs. I mean, there's just no way the guy isn't getting a kick of this, right? Normally, I don't mind. Sometimes it leads to some genuinely hilarious comments. But touching any of the BioShock games crosses the fucking line! (Well, except BioShock 2. Shit on that all you want. It's the only game in the series I'm notZombieProof said:
Not so much putting out shit-fires as much as reminding B-Cell that this isn't actually a neighborhood and we can't smell a damn thing.ZombieProof said:
I mean fuck, he makes ME, SiletPony, look like a reasonable person. And I'm not! By design!
Nope, but this thread's title is the biggest hyperbole I've see on this site in quite some time. Congrats on that, B-Cell.
For what it's worth, I found it to be quite an enjoyable game. The world was fantastic to explore, the combat was reasonably satisfying, and the skyhook was ridiculously fun. The story, while having some logical inconsistencies (which I honestly think are kind of inevitable in this type of story), was excellent and I found that I genuinely cared about the two main characters.
Was it overrated? Eh, maybe. I didn't really get caught up in the hype, so it's hard for me to really say. It met my expectations. I don't like a ton of FPSs, so the fact that I thoroughly enjoyed it would mean that for me, it's one of the best.
For what it's worth, I found it to be quite an enjoyable game. The world was fantastic to explore, the combat was reasonably satisfying, and the skyhook was ridiculously fun. The story, while having some logical inconsistencies (which I honestly think are kind of inevitable in this type of story), was excellent and I found that I genuinely cared about the two main characters.
Was it overrated? Eh, maybe. I didn't really get caught up in the hype, so it's hard for me to really say. It met my expectations. I don't like a ton of FPSs, so the fact that I thoroughly enjoyed it would mean that for me, it's one of the best.
I love how I can take one look at the "popular topics" list and say "Well, that's going to be a B-Cell topic." Lo' and behold...
OT: BS:I is overrated due to bullet-sponge enemies and a pretentious story whose subject matter pretty much allows you to just make up plot-holes and they become valid. Is it the worst AAA FPS ever? No, because Colonial Marines is a thing.
OT: BS:I is overrated due to bullet-sponge enemies and a pretentious story whose subject matter pretty much allows you to just make up plot-holes and they become valid. Is it the worst AAA FPS ever? No, because Colonial Marines is a thing.
What are these "bullet-sponge" enemies you speak of? One shot from my carbine or shotgun does most of them in. A good Bucking Bronco + Devil's Kiss also always did the trick.RJ 17 said:
OK, yes, I know that, at least on Normal and Hard, the enemies were bullet sponges if you use anything other than high-damage weapons. I haven't tried Easy to see if that's better.
No, there's far worse out there (such as, and I'm not being facetious here, Shadow Warrior). But I'll admit that I vastly preferred Bioshock 1 & 2 over Infinite. It just felt too goofy.
How can you make a topic like this when Daikatana, Duke Nukem Forever and Aliens Colonial Marines all happened?
Hi! I'd like to welcome you to the Escapist! A magical place where the most common response to unironic hyperbole is more unironic hyperbole.Skatalite said:
;D
Seriously, though. Around here, hating popular games, especially if they're first person shooters, is par for the course. With how portions of this community react you'd think games like Halo, Half-Life, and Call of Duty were not only the most overrated garbage to ever grace the industry but also creatively bankrupt banes on human existence.
There is also a difference between "Things I like" and "Things that are objectively good".Kibeth41 said:
I didn't like it. I'd go into great detail, but I should have gone to bed 3 hours ago so I'll just post a couple of analyses that I like.