Was Max Payne 2 one of the worst and most disappointing sequel??

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Passos did work for branco but in the end he save Max.
Mona did betray Max then is killed by vlad.

Is...is this your criterion for who's a better character? That's just fuckin' sad. Pesos had no personality. Like most R* characters, he was just an annoying non-entity.

But that's just R* writing for ya, folks. Those guys lack writing talent so hard, they can't even write a sensible character. Nothing makes sense in that game. They even managed to ruin Max's character by turning him into a fuckin' mope. He keeps doing things and yet you can't shake the feeling that he doesn't even want to get out of bed in the morning. He lacks motivation to do anything yet he's there doing stuff for inexplicable reasons. It's so fuckin' jarring (R* did something similar in GTA V, it just isn't as noticeable). The only consistent thing about his character in Max Payne 3 was how fuckin' boring his monologues were.

 

[PsychedelicDiamond]

I thought it was pretty good. I think all three Max Payne games are quite good, even if the unskippable cutscenes really hurt the third one.

I actually felt the second one Jada very unique atmosphere. It was, for lack of a better word, kind of lynchian. You had what felt like a pull noir crime thriller but there was this vague layer of weirdness behind everything. Stuff like the funhouse or the guy stuck in the costume. It just had that element of surrealism, some of it tongue in cheek, thank always seemed to be present. I guess some might argue it detracts from the tone but I rather liked it.

Generally speaking, I feel like it was an improvement on the first game in almost every way. Was it really shorter? Can't have been by much.

The third game was still good but I felt like it lost some of the series idiosyncrasies. Still a lot of fun, though.

 

[Hawki]

Perfect Dark Zero

Prequel.

Ultima 9

Betrayal!

GoW2 was pretty bad.

Lies!

Their race deserved not to survive after that nonsense

Um, which? The humans or the Locust?

 

[Trunkage]

GoW2 was pretty bad.

Lies!

Their race deserved not to survive after that nonsense

Um, which? The humans or the Locust?

I was talking about the human. 'We've only got one city left that houses the last of humanity. You know what we should do. Destroy it utterly. Let's not do any defending and the time frame means we cant take much with us but, hey, for some reason, this is the only course of actions.'

Wasnt the Lambent doing the digging under the city? The Locusts spent their time on the run?

 

[Hawki]

I was talking about the human. 'We've only got one city left that houses the last of humanity. You know what we should do. Destroy it utterly. Let's not do any defending and the time frame means we cant take much with us but, hey, for some reason, this is the only course of actions.'

They were going to lose Jacinto either way. By sinking it, they got to take out the Locust with it and survive. The Locust were going to do the same thing.

Wasnt the Lambent doing the digging under the city? The Locusts spent their time on the run?

The Lambent were focusing on the Locust. The Locust were fighting a two-front war. Locust plan was to sink Jacinto after leaving Nexus, erradicating the Lambent and humanity in one go.

 

[Batou667]

...because I didn't find it disappointing?

I mean, okay, it's not up to snuff with the first two games, but it's an improvement over 3 and Judgement.

Better than Judgment? Yeah, probably. I must be one of the minority who enjoyed Judgment on its own merits, limited though they were. Overrun mode was enjoyable. I was never a hardcore competitive player.

Better than 3?! That's verging on being objectively wrong!

Gears 4 suffered from the same problem Halo 4 did: as the start of a second trilogy, the game was expected to simultaneously progress the story and differentiate itself from its predecessors, while also reinforce the brand. The result in both cases was an uneasy compromise between playing it safe to the point of deja vu, pulling a U-turn on in-universe narrative progression, but also screwing with the established formula enough to annoy fans. Loot boxes. GOD DAMN LOOT BOXES.

But I liked DOA4.

Granted, it's the only DOA game I've played, so...

I suppose it kind of depends on what your entry point to the series was. I started with DOA2, DOA:U and DOA3 and those were mind-blowing for the time. DOA4 failed to maintain the trajectory in my opinion. But in a vacuum? Nothing wrong with DOA4, apart from the introduction of teleporting.

Da fuq?

Let me remind you that this is a franchise where stuff like Terminator 3 and Sarah Connor Chronicles exist.

We're talking Terminator 4, right? The PG-13 one where the soulless robot killers have stopped trying to actually kill humans and now just capture them, for reasons? T3 was stupid but it at least committed to the broad strokes established by the previous two.

Never saw Chronicles so can't comment there.

 

[SweetShark]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

 

[sXeth]

Heroes of Might and Magic 4 (and I forget if 6 or 7 was the next awful one)

I'll defend HoMM4. It's very different and that annoyed people. But I dont mind different.

It had interesting concepts, but the execution was way off. Also it seemed to collapse in overall content compared to the vast array of stuff in 3 (probably due to moving to 3d). Essentially trashbinning the entire setting didn't really help either (which had similar issues in the mainline M&M series at the same time)

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

You do know who you're defending here, right?

This is a man who posts inane, unsupported opinions and pushes them down our throats as facts. Are you saying we're in the wrong for pointing out said inane OPINIONS as what they are?

We're repaying what's being shoved on us. No more. No less.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I disagree. I personally found Max Payne 2 to be among the most atmospheric and textured games I?d had the opportunity of playing. And it?s fun as all hell to play as a game.


Plus this song was pretty dope and I thank the game for introducing me to it.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

I don't like or dislike him. I despise the sexism, though.

 

[Hawki]

Gears 4 suffered from the same problem Halo 4 did: as the start of a second trilogy, the game was expected to simultaneously progress the story and differentiate itself from its predecessors, while also reinforce the brand.

Okay, I do agree there in a sense - both Halo 4 and Gears 4 exist for the sole purpose of continuing a brand, and a storyline that had reached its natural conclusion in both settings. But that aside...

The result in both cases was an uneasy compromise between playing it safe to the point of deja vu, pulling a U-turn on in-universe narrative progression, but also screwing with the established formula enough to annoy fans. Loot boxes. GOD DAMN LOOT BOXES.

I disagree there. How and why is a long conversation (one that could derail the thread), but if I had to nominate one reason why Halo 4 failed while Gears 4 succeeded (storywise), it's that Halo 4 undermined what came before. Gears 4 didn't.

We're talking Terminator 4, right? The PG-13 one where the soulless robot killers have stopped trying to actually kill humans and now just capture them, for reasons?

The machines have always captured humans and put them into camps. That's been established from the first film. Kill them later, work them first.

T3 was stupid but it at least committed to the broad strokes established by the previous two.

I'm sorry, what? T3 undermines the first two films (especially T2) in that it effectively makes them a waste of time. We have two films where a recurring theme is "no fate," then T3 does a 180 and goes "yes fate," where JD occurs because it always had to occur, and where everything up to this point is effectively rendered meaningless. So, not only is there significant thematic whiplash, but it's done in the context of a film that's really just a lesser version of T2.

Never saw Chronicles

Lucky bastard...

 

[IceForce]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

Why are you defending sexism?

Wtf SweetShark.

 

[Dalisclock]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

It's less we disagree with him, more that he never seems to argue in good faith about anything. He just continually posts about the 5 games he actually seems to like and all others are considered awful without actually engaging in conversations about why or defending his positions.

It gets really old really fast and he's been around for years.

I think most of us on here can reasonably disagree about stuff (KSP Is the best space sim ever, fight me) but it's hard to keep patience with someone who posts seemingly to see his own opinions in print and little else.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

It's less we disagree with him, more that he never seems to argue in good faith about anything. He just continually posts about the 5 games he actually seems to like and all others are considered awful without actually engaging in conversations about why or defending his positions.

It gets really old really fast and he's been around for years.

I think most of us on here can reasonably disagree about stuff (KSP Is the best space sim ever, fight me) but it's hard to keep patience with someone who posts seemingly to see his own opinions in print and little else.

That and the way every post invites validation and nothing else ("Does this game suck?") but maybe that's just Google translating.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

MP2 has a few flaws, but it's hardly a terrible sequel or MP game, even if I happen to like the first one better.

But in MP2 you have to play as a guuuuuuuuurl! Doesn't that make you want to scream and run into the hills all but ready to poke your eyes out and slit your wrists?

thats not the reason. even if you dont play as mona. i would still consider MP2 as worst.

So having to play as a girl is bad in itself, huh?

I prefer playing as male characters and dont mind if one or 2 level i play as female.

although I like Portal 2. its excellent game and you play as girl.

Right, "girl". You play as a mute POV shot.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

Right, "girl". You play as a mute POV shot.

Basically the only way B-Cell has ever tolerated playing a girl. When the girl part of it is something he can completely phase out cause it's maybe brought up once, if that.

It's less we disagree with him, more that he never seems to argue in good faith about anything. He just continually posts about the 5 games he actually seems to like and all others are considered awful without actually engaging in conversations about why or defending his positions.

It gets really old really fast and he's been around for years.

I think most of us on here can reasonably disagree about stuff (KSP Is the best space sim ever, fight me) but it's hard to keep patience with someone who posts seemingly to see his own opinions in print and little else.

There was one point in time where I praised him for seemingly putting up an actual argument and discussion with me, and I agreed with some of his points. I dunno what happened, maybe he got high that day and something kicked into gear that normally doesn't. But it was amazing, I felt genuinely happy to see it. Then I never, ever saw it again. In fact, his regurgitation of his opinions got worse.

It'd be a different story if this stuff was posted maybe once or twice. But the fact that every single thread he makes is for self validation, and to call what he anticipates the best thing ever (Even when it's not even out and he hasn't played it) or denouncing it as the worst thing ever...
It gets so, so old. It's been done to death, and it's a record that's been on repeat for 3 fucking years. If we actually saw any sense of evolution of opinions, and a willingness to actually discuss rather than seek validation and deny everything else said to him, then maybe this could actually count as a discussion thread. As it stands, it never, ever is. It may SEEM like one, but it's always just the same thing layered with a different coat of paint

 

[Trunkage]

Bravo for attacking massively an individual user just because you don't like him.
Wtf people.

B-Cell likes to oversimplify a topic and make incredibly bold claims. I respond to them in kind.

Also, dont like the woman hating

 

[B-Cell_v1legacy]

Also, dont like the woman hating

where this not liking certain games means women hating came from??

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

To comment on this situation despite my lack of investment in Max Payne and be upfront, your argumentation methods and dialectic is poor.

Seriously, you repeat the same points over and over and all your rebuttal statements have no backing or supporting arguments. At this point B Cell, you are considered a joke or worse by the Escapist forum goers, what little still remain. I highly suggest, if you wish to be taken seriously to learn proper debate dialectic and to actually generate supporting arguments that go more than surface level