"We had a way harder life than you!"

Skulltaker101

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Life never gets any easier. The only thing that changes is our definition of a challenge. Sure, our problems may seem mundane to parents that dealt with different things when they were growing up, but we treat our difficulties the same way.

That's the conclusion we reached in my family, anyway...of course, it has also been decided that that's not a valid excuse, either. :D
 
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My dad is pulling it on me a lot at the moment. 'You were never really poor like we were. Your mm and I have worked hard to make sure that we had that money.'

Yes dad, I know, and I'm very grateful for it, but that doesn't mean that my life has been any harder or easier than yours. You had the problems that are associated with poverty, and even then you were middle-lower at worst. I've had the problems that come with being an intellectual who's reasonably intelligent, and it's weird to imageint hat that's hard, but it is.

For example, my dad never went to traditional university, so he thought my three years was a piece of cake compared to his time form 18-21. Yeah, that time when I went through an academic complaint process to accuse one of my tutors of academic bullying? That was a picnic. And that fact that nowadays having a university education is a lot more important than it was in your day? That never caused undue amounts of pressure on me at times.

And back in high school, he was going on about how bad it was having to go to a bad school. Well at least the students in your class liked you, at least your school as a whole kind of bandedd together in a 'we're all in the same boat' attitude. They never excluded you and bullied you for being different for seven straight years.

Our lives were different, mine was not easier.
 

Dethenger

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Nouw said:
Hazy992 said:
If it was so fucking hard for the previous generation why are they complaining about us, other than out of spite? You should be happy your kids don't have to suffer the same hardships you did.
This. You're going to miserable because I was too! Yeah, that makes sense!
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"Your online name is "overpuce"? Why not averpuce?"

Sorry. 'Just felt I had to...
I suppose my name should be Nauw then :p.
Don't change the o, drop the u. Then, your name would be "Now," as in, "when should I do my homework?"
 

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Well considering that every adult on the planet will tell you that he/she is 'trying to give my kids a better life than I had' I usually just ignore that argument and write it off as typical parental ranting in the same vein as 'you'll never get into college' or 'do as I say, not as I do'
 

chuckman1

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Nope actually, they both knew I had shit pretty damn hard.
Like maybe there's the internet now, but that pales in comparison to the whole meth addict dad divorced parents situation.
 

Suicidejim

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My mum tries that one occasionally, at which point I point out that it was mostly her fault for being so fucking stupid half the time. I've yet to run away from home, smoke, do drugs or become a teenage parent, so of course my bloody life is easier.

Generally speaking though, it's sort of a mix. Some things are a bit easier, other things are worse since then. It's always interesting how your elders always had it harder than you, yet simultaneously their days were always the best ones.
 

viranimus

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They absolutely without question had a harder time than you, You know why?

If they wanted to watch porn they had to wait till a weekend came that no one would be in the house. Break out this gigantic projector that weighed 32 lbs, Then had to have one guy in the neighborhood who happened to know a guy who had a reel of porn, then they take it home, then manually wind the reel of tape onto the flywheel, break out a gigantic white screen and then had to sit awkwardly with this group of friends, because there was no way anyone could accomplish this all by themselves as the reel flicked on producing shadowy ghosts images on the wall filled with people who looked like partially shaved apes (both men and women) with so much fur that it obscured everything from view as the only noise they hear was the flickering sound of the projector as home projectors typically didnt come with an audio track back in that era.

On the notion of why they had it harder and are not happier for you to not have to suffer? Because you dont have to work/suffer/toil for it, you dont appreciate how good you have it. That leads to being lazy about it and indifferent. Seriously remember, this is a generation that produced 2girls 1 cup basically because two people having sex on film had simply gotten boring and cliche. Now try to tell me this gen doesnt have it easier.

Now in all seriousness, For the most part the Boomers & early GenX did have it harder because they lacked the advantages we have today that make things easier. However there are some specific instances where this gen definitely has it harder, such as finding a job because our government allowed corporations to start outsourcing jobs hand over fist starting in the 80s and really still hasnt stopped.
 

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TehCookie said:
I would say they had it easier, the economy wasn't shit and they didn't have as much trouble finding a job.
For the UK in the 70's this was the complete opposite. Major strikes up and down the country (which actually brought the country and families to their knees. Frequent power cuts and in some cases they simply switched the electricity off at night. Mothers giving up their meals so they could put food on the table for their kids.

More people unemployed than there are now in Britain. A recession that looked even bleaker than it does now.

Today's children, I (i'm 24 but still...), have not had to endure the same hardships as my parents. Who in turn did not suffer as much as their parents and so on and so on.

With each generation, life becomes more and more convenient. Transport gets better, average pay gets better, housing quality gets better, entertainment gets better, education gets better, state benefits (used to) get better and so on...

Many young people take this completely for granted, and they are the ones who eventually realise and then turn to their kids and say, "things were harder in my day" when they see their children acting like brats. And guess what? They are simply seeing their younger selves reflected back at them...
Forgot to mention I live in America. To top it off I live in Michigan one of the worst unemployment states (and near Flint, the shittiest city in America). My parents and all their friends admit how much easier they had it back in the day. Also when you say education is better I'll ask how, it's better we learn more things but it's also more stressful.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
Of course they had it harder.

Also water was wetter, snow was colder and they had to walk to and from school uphill both ways ... wearing clogs.
In 120 degree weather, whilst being chased by a velociraptor, carrying a vat of acid, wearing knee-high socks, while riding a unicycle.
 

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Have you ever heard this from your parents when you were growing up? Maybe when you did bad at something, like school, and you tell them that you tried your best, but they come up with some snappy response like "You ONLY studied for 5 hours for ONE test. I had to memorize the entire textbook, and they were twice as thick back then!"

Is the statement really true though? Is "Our current life" easier than what it was back then? Or is it actually harder, and they're just trying to push us? Sure, we have way more/better technology than back then, but is that really a positive point? Or does it just make things more complex?

What do you guys think? Did we have it better back then, or do we have it better now, even though there are way more options in our life?
Well I mean in general terms they probably did have it harder. But I'm calling bullshit on their school work being harder. The only reason it would have been harder was because in math n stuff they wouldn't have had calculators so they had to learn to do everything by hand. Technology just alleviated all that mindless busy work so that you could actually learn the things that matter. Additionally a lot of theories would be more developed and ideas would be much more concise in modern times.

Hell, my year 12 Chemistry teacher (who has a PhD) has no problem admitting that the school work we do these days is much harder than it was 20 years ago. Technology just got rid of the irrelevant crap.
 

Marcus Kehoe

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I know for a fact my parent's had it a lot harder than I did, but I was a much more well behaved kid then they where.

Where even, now let me play LOL in peace and i'll cut the damn grass after dinner.
 

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unstabLized said:
What do you guys think? Did we have it better back then, or do we have it better now, even though there are way more options in our life?
In the United States, kids today have it worse. Here's a few facts that differ the Baby Boomers from Gen X or the Millenials:

-The worst economy in 70 years. Yeah, the Baby Boomers enjoyed some of the most rampant economic growth and real middle income gain in the last century. Today real gains for the middle class is almost nonexistent, and because of the most Conservative Congress in the last century (yes, this is true), there's absolutely no compromise when it comes to any bills. Thus, nothing gets done.

-Oh right, the worst use of the filibuster by Republicans in American history. Thanks to the inability to compromise (which EVERY Republican-dominated Congress/House has done in the past), the American citizens have had to suffer through a complete lack of legislation that might change things for several years now.

-Academic creep is the worst it's ever been. What's that, you ask? Well, ever heard anyone say "Bachelor's is the new High School Diploma"? Yeah, it's that. For the Boomers, an Associates (or any College at all) practically guaranteed a job and middle-class income. Today students are expected to do more and be better than their parents or grandparents ever were. It's why IQ scales have been continuously adjusted higher, it's why the SAT difficulty has been dramatically increased, and it's why current Pre-Professional students are not only expected to have Research, Volunteer, and Leadership experience - but also a 3.0+ GPA (and GPA-creep was only common for private schools with wealthy patrons). Fifty years ago a high GPA would have sufficed, and the rest - what is considered an "average" applicant these days - would have garnered several guaranteed acceptances at your top Universities. In addition to being expected to do more, in some fields the knowledge gained by Undergrads is OBSOLETE by the time they apply for Grad school (molecular genetics is one area that being out of date means not paying attention for about two years).

-Gen X / The Millenials are the first generations in United States History that cannot be expected to attain a higher level of quality of life than their parents. This is well documented, and is mostly due to the shitty amounts of middle class income rise over the past 30 years and rising prices.

-Prices for homes in the 1960's rarely broke $90k. The same home today can be bought for $250k. Note: Wages have not tripled. The same goes for cars, and electronics in general.

-So they want to ***** about Vietnam and Korea? Well, apparently they forgot the Gulf War, the Iraq War, and the War On Terror in Afghanistan. The Iraq War - which was based on complete lies and continue for no apparent reason - lasted a decade. No, in terms of human life it didn't cost as much as Vietnam or Korea, but it cost the American public significantly in terms of economic stability. Neither of the last two wars were funded - they were all paid for by increasing the National Debt.

-The media corporations are fully allowed to lie, skew, and present completely biased views in lieu of traditional reporting. By law, prior to 2004, news organizations had to present balanced programming. Afterwards the corporations argued that there were enough outlets to offer the balanced views hollistically. The courts agreed, and FOX News jizzed its pants with Conservative fear-mongering and propaganda. Since the law's repeal was never really covered in the news (imagine that), everybody who trusted a single news source before just kept watching one - even as it churned out "infotainment" that offered a single-minded narrative.

-Corporations are now people, but only when it comes to political donations. This may not seem a particularly big burden to today's kids, but consider that most politicians spend time fundraising - not voting and reading bills. Unless you have hundreds of millions, most of which is going to be donated by various corporate sponsors, you cannot compete politically.

-The American Public is the least educated in science (or, at least seems to understand it the least) that it's been in a long time. Oddly enough, much of the bellyaching comes from the same Baby Boomer crowd that grew up in the Atomic Family era and saw the Moon Landing. They are perfectly willing to trust scientists when flying through a vacuum miles above our heads to our nearest celestial neighbor, but say that the burning of millions of gallons of oil a day causes global climate change (or argue that Evolution is real), and you have loads of skepticism. Because the public can't discern shitty science from good science, a lot more shitty science ("Complementary Medicine" and "Alternative Medicine") is happening.

-Because of the previously mentioned absolute bunk in terms of real income gain for the middle class over the last decade and nearly-complete assimilation of Feminism (a good thing), the most driven and capable people are having fewer children later in life. Where your parents/grandparents could expect to raise a family of 4 to 5 on a upper-middle-class salary with a decent quality of life, the same family size now requires triple the income.

-Obesity is an epidemic, and Type II Diabetes is following closely behind. The Baby Boomers are major contributors to this, but because most use Medicare/Medicaid (and simultaneously decry a single-payer health insurance option and/or "Socialist/Communist" taxes) it means the treatment burden is greater for every working person than ever before. Chronic conditions like those caused by obesity and Type II Diabetes cost significantly more than one-time acute conditions (like broken bones and gun wounds).

-Speaking of more "Socialist" programs, the Payers:payee ratio for Social Security is the lowest in the history of the program. Whereas when the 50-60 year olds had jobs it was about a 23:1 ratio, it is now closer to 8:1. Paying in more to get out less.

So, at least in the United States, no. They didn't have it harder. What they mean is that the basic amenities (water, food, housing) was either harder to come by or of lower quality, or that their early life involved more physical activity. Whereas they might've walked to school two miles away and had to pump a well for water, now kids get bused to school and almost everybody has hot/cold taps. Maybe seatbelts and airbags, too?
 

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According to my mom school is a lot harder now than it used to be. However it's gone through some drastic changes. There's less importance to remembering things and more being able to understand things, especially in subjects such as math, physics and to some degree chemistry.

When it comes to other things they did have it harder. Technology makes life a lot easier (most of the time) so a lot of the things that were hard are now quite easy
 

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Funnily enough my parents think the opposite. They do think that school is easier now but they think everything else is harder. It's harder to get a job now and it's harder to own your own home (where I live anyway). We definitely have it easier with transport, air conditioning and all that sorta stuff but overall it's not easier, just different.
 

Zack Alklazaris

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Its never easy. Sure we have computers to give us an extra lift, but then the world dumps more things for us to do. Instead of "copying" papers by hand we copy it by scanner. This includes spell checking, grammar checking, etc. At one time someone did maybe 80 pages a day. Now they do 400. Its the same amount of work.

In a lot of ways it feels like we are getting paid to "keep up" with a computers output. That alone can be exhausting.
 

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When someone brings up the "we had it more difficult" I usually just give them a book, say: read the first 5 pages, now did you understand that? At least here where I live the school system has changed a hell a lot and what they learned in High School we learn in Junior high.
When I turned 12 the math in our school turned so "difficult" my parents no longer could help me with my homework. They are not the most schooled ones but I've never really had that argument with them.
The same thing is when someone (usually older generation) goes for the "everything was beter in our time", my answer is mostly something along the lines with: yeah, people died from the flu and if someone lived 30km away you could see them ones a year...
 

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My family did honestly have a harder life overall than me (hard to top spousal abuse, Grand Mal siezures and death), but my parents had their teens and twenties so much easier. Fisrtly, their parents are not dead, and continue to badger me about why I'm "always" depressed. Second, they did not have PTSD. OCD runs in the male side of the family, though, and drove my aunt from my uncle. I'm pretty grateful though, I've been to Mexico to help build an orphanage and seen people living literally in a city dump on the edge of town, in a shanty town made of scrap metal and glass bottles. Their water was brown with rust, the kids played soccer among broken glass. I take comfort knowing I will never have it that bad.
 

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Rawne1980 said:
Of course they had it harder.

When my dad was growing up everything was black and white, how the frack they could tell what was what without any colour i'll never know.

Also water was wetter, snow was colder and they had to walk to and from school uphill both ways ... wearing clogs.
and of course that hitler was stealing there potatoes whilst they slept...that was there only ration...