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An excerpt from my Steam chat:

"5:20 PM - Allen Shepard: Wow. I was playing Bad Company 2, and I hated the room I was in. Want to know what happened last?
5:25 PM - Allen Shepard: I shot my rival, the token "hacking" heli pilot that never gets hit and never misses while he's the pilot and dodging every shot fired at him. I cought him off guard in another helicopter, and point blanked him with an entire salvo. IN THE COCKPIT. I got hitmarkers for at least 75% of my salvo, and I was close enough that my character could have (And probably did) whip him the bird. His response? Fly under me, fly backwards out from under me, and shoot my 100% health helicopter three times and it explodes. I didn't change my expression (Flat, stone-faced non-expression), as I pressed escape, exited the game, turned off my monitor, walked into the living room in pitch blackness, and sat down on the couch. Did I mention that I also had steady normal breathing, didn't blink, and was also speechless?"

As for discussion value, has anything like this or that can be described with the subject text ever happened to you, regardless of game, or even in real life?
I guess you could also comment on this specific anecdote. Hell, grab a drink, do both, and make it a party.

Fun fact: Still speechless. Currently 5:32 PM in my timezone. Well, I just let out a long, exacerbated sigh; but that doesn't reeeally count...

Fun fact: As of 5:36 PM now not speechless; I broke it by reading what I said out loud. Another fun fact is that I think more people should do that. Means that you re-read it, so you can catch errors, and it also means that it (should/could (potentially)) make (more) sense through the power of editing things that don't make sense and also clarifying on things that might not be overtly presented.
 

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Yeah, know the feeling. I play Combat Arms, and it's to the point where there are hacks that will send everyone in the room to desktop if the hacker is kicked. and some lifetaker thing that just racks up kill sand kills everyone on the map, including your team, and can still "kill" them while they're waiting to respawn.
 

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JaceArveduin said:
Yeah, know the feeling. I play Combat Arms, and it's to the point where there are hacks that will send everyone in the room to desktop if the hacker is kicked. and some lifetaker thing that just racks up kill sand kills everyone on the map, including your team, and can still "kill" them while they're waiting to respawn.
Yeah, that will give you a feeling about approximate.

It gets worse and feels a bit different when you know that they aren't hacking, but they're in that realm where they seem a slight bit too good.

Also, on the subject of Combat Arms, I stopped playing a bit after they added female soldier choice. Tried to come back two other times and found out, first time: They very, very reduced the amount of currency new players start with, to the point you can't even really afford any ordnance right out the gate, and: (second time) The hackers...They outnumber the players...
 

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Matthew94 said:
All I got from this thread is you took a game waaaay too seriously and didn't leave the server fast enough.
It wasn't QUITE that bad, because he wasn't hacking. It just seemed to take luck, a distraction combined with a completely different killshot, or an act of God to take this guy out of the air. Also, we were still fighting with about the same tickets. It's just that...that was a bit too much. Especially the part about how he couldn't have had armor, because he shot me three times and blew up my helo, so he had to have +Explosives, which I'd believe. And besides, I may take it seriously, but what's the problem with taking it seriously? It is not like I was in blind rage when I left. I think more people need to take games seriously, within bounds. Especially within bounds that don't extend to real life...
 

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Ramare said:
Yeah, that will give you a feeling about approximate.

It gets worse and feels a bit different when you know that they aren't hacking, but they're in that realm where they seem a slight bit too good.

Also, on the subject of Combat Arms, I stopped playing a bit after they added female soldier choice. Tried to come back two other times and found out, first time: They very, very reduced the amount of currency new players start with, to the point you can't even really afford any ordnance right out the gate, and: (second time) The hackers...They outnumber the players...
It's actually a bit better in the GP/XP part, they increased the levels you get so it's not as hard to keep up if you play somewhat consistently. They also have little events n stuff were they sometimes give out some free nx gears, like the 5shot they're doing right now. almost 3 moths ago they had a one day thing where if you logged in, you got a 90 day assault vest, yellowstripe frag, mk48 mod 0, and 90 day... one of the newer snipers that I've forgotten the name of. They also reduced the rank requirements on the specs n stuff, though tehy still cost a bloody fortune
 

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Another anecdote not relevant to the OP but relevant to the same game: I once jumped off of a bridge, landed on a guy while stabbing him, turned around, and shot a guy in the gut with a spas. At 20 - 25 meters range. Without slugs. Or magnum ammo. And it was a one-hit kill. And they were a medic. Standing on a health kit. So, what I'm getting at, is that they had full health. And no one else was shooting at them. I also didn't get a headshot. And while I was playing hardcore hardcore (As I always do), meaning he only had 70 health; the shotguns still aren't long range effective. And while you can hit them with shot at ranges beyond 10 meters, you just won't kill them with one shot without a pellet hitting their head.

Another: I once killed a sniper with one shot shell at 60 - 70 meters range. That time I was using an 870MCS, which seems to do more damage, and using magnum ammo; though. So that one makes more sense. Without either, anything farther than 5 meters is out of normal one shot one kill radius. Although I have seen people wrangle the spas into killing people at even farther ranges. Me? I just use it 'cause it's tacticool. And no one else really uses it without also using slugs.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Ramare said:
Matthew94 said:
All I got from this thread is you took a game waaaay too seriously and didn't leave the server fast enough.
It is not like I was in blind rage when I left. I think more people need to take games seriously, within bounds. Especially within bounds that don't extend to real life...
Ramare said:
I didn't change my expression (Flat, stone-faced non-expression), as I pressed escape, exited the game, turned off my monitor, walked into the living room in pitch blackness, and sat down on the couch. Did I mention that I also had steady normal breathing, didn't blink, and was also speechless?"
Blind rage or not that was a real over-reaction.

I enjoy games a lot but I only get annoyed or frustrated when it's something I can beat like "Doing things the hard way" on VVVVVV but I just stop playing and come back another day, I don't turn robot and bond with my couch.
Well, that was kind of what I did. I got up, and walked away. Sat on the couch because I couldn't think of anything else to do. Thought about it for a couple minutes, speechless, grabbed the laptop, and posted to the Escapist.

'Cause I mean why not, right? [sic]

Also, on the topic of "...but I only get annoyed or frustrated when it's something I can beat..." it might put it into perspective to say that I'm a (self-proclaimed) facking awrsome [sic] (video game) helicopter pilot. So there's that. Still, though: in any moment that we were both simultaneously not in helicopters or tanks and shooting at other helicopters/tanks, that I ruined his ass, and that's how I know for sure he wasn't cheating.

MP412: the gun that I'm more accurate with than most people are with the M24 (Which is a sniper rifle).
 

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One time in MW2:

*spawn* "Hey guys, what's up-" *shot in the face*

*spawn* "Well, thats annoying, bu-" *hit by airstrike*

*spawn* "The hell?! Well, at least I'm insi-" *sniper hits me while aiming for someone else*

*spawn, sits still for a few seconds* ".....huh. Not dead yet. Thats a fir-" *knifed by the guy waiting behind me and teabagging for 6 seconds*

It was a serious :/ moment.
 

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JaceArveduin said:
Yeah, know the feeling. I play Combat Arms, and it's to the point where there are hacks that will send everyone in the room to desktop if the hacker is kicked. and some lifetaker thing that just racks up kill sand kills everyone on the map, including your team, and can still "kill" them while they're waiting to respawn.
I'm like Blackwido88 of Combat Arms.

I seriously hate almost every aspect of it but it's still one of the best free FPS out there. So I kept playing, and every time I gave up I got back to the game. I eventually got banned, because I don't have a mod as a friend (the community was seriously corrupt).

Some forum mods don't have a understandable English, they don't understand what you say and no way they will know when you are using sarcasm. Eventually they added stuff I had been suggesting for months. Oh well.


Nexon is almost as evil as Bobby Kotick.

I don't know if you were active in the forums but I was el_patron_pt, forum name "familyguy56" or "familyguy51", can't remember. At least as half the spammer as Hamburger was.







The game still feels broken. Your HP drops when you get downstairs, when you are killed the grenade you just thrown has to travel 2m before the game recognizes it as live, otherwise it will vanish in mid-air.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Ramare said:
Another anecdote not relevant to the OP but relevant to the same game: I once jumped off of a bridge, landed on a guy while stabbing him, turned around, and shot a guy in the gut with a spas. At 20 - 25 meters range. Without slugs. Or magnum ammo. And it was a one-hit kill. And they were a medic. Standing on a health kit. So, what I'm getting at, is that they had full health. And no one else was shooting at them. I also didn't get a headshot. And while I was playing hardcore hardcore (As I always do), meaning he only had 70 health; the shotguns still aren't long range effective. And while you can hit them with shot at ranges beyond 10 meters, you just won't kill them with one shot without a pellet hitting their head.

Another: I once killed a sniper with one shot shell at 60 - 70 meters range. That time I was using an 870MCS, which seems to do more damage, and using magnum ammo; though. So that one makes more sense. Without either, anything farther than 5 meters is out of normal one shot one kill radius. Although I have seen people wrangle the spas into killing people at even farther ranges. Me? I just use it 'cause it's tacticool. And no one else really uses it without also using slugs.
Ramare said:
Also, on the topic of "...but I only get annoyed or frustrated when it's something I can beat..." it might put it into perspective to say that I'm a (self-proclaimed) facking awrsome [sic] (video game) helicopter pilot. So there's that. Still, though: in any moment that we were both simultaneously not in helicopters or tanks and shooting at other helicopters/tanks, that I ruined his ass, and that's how I know for sure he wasn't cheating.

MP412: the gun that I'm more accurate with than most people are with the M24 (Which is a sniper rifle).
So have you just derailed your own thread into "check out ma 1337 skillz"?

It sure looks that way to me, that first post there about you killing a few people and specifically pointing out you play in hardcore mode was just pure bragging.
Actually, I guess I did. But, seeing as that first one was just another couple of "Well, that happened" moments, it makes sense. Also, me pointing out that I play in hardcore hardcore was for context, as I (believe) I also pointed out, you have 70 health, and not 100. And I never play core, because I played hardcore first, so it feels like everyone has too much health if I do. That's just preferences.

You get credit for the MP412 thing though. That was pure bragging.

Also, this isn't about my "m4d 1337 sk1llz" (I feel dirty for typing and saying that...); I have just as many moments where I'm walking along looking around for snipers, and I get shot in the side from ranges and parts unknown by a UMP-45 and killed before I can even react to it, as I do stories where I jumped over the side of X construct and landed on someone, stabbing them and breaking my fall. I even have one that involves both in opposite the listed order. It's just that I have more "Huh." moments that involve "good" things than I do "bad".

Another anecdote off the top of my head that isn't really either:

I once was flying a Hind, saw someone running for the VADS, aimed my heli at them, nosediving towards them, hit the VADS as soon as he got on it, killed him (Although it counted as him suiciding), the helicopter recoiled and survived, I bailed, and then I got shot in the back of the head by the main gun of an M1A2 Abrams. Pure awesomeness. Also of note is that none of these stories (So far) involve my friend in any way, and occur in random, live servers.
 

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Ordinaryundone said:
One time in MW2:

*spawn* "Hey guys, what's up-" *shot in the face*

*spawn* "Well, thats annoying, bu-" *hit by airstrike*

*spawn* "The hell?! Well, at least I'm insi-" *sniper hits me while aiming for someone else*

*spawn, sits still for a few seconds* ".....huh. Not dead yet. Thats a fir-" *knifed by the guy waiting behind me and teabagging for 6 seconds*

It was a serious :/ moment.
I've had an almost similar experience, broken up with me shotgunning people, actually getting to walk around, and involving more UMP-45s, and less teabagging (oddly enough). Still died within 10 seconds each time. And the sniper aiming for someone else hit me through a wall, in the head, because his target dodged...
 

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I had a 9-game losing streak on Tekken 6 once. I vowed to myself I would win the next one. Up came a Law player with a 45% win rate. I think "ok, I know how to deal with scrubs like this! Piece of cake!"

He beat me 3 rounds in a row (which is a sweep).
 

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Ramare said:
Another: I once killed a sniper with one shot shell at 60 - 70 meters range. That time I was using an 870MCS, which seems to do more damage, and using magnum ammo; though. So that one makes more sense. Without either, anything farther than 5 meters is out of normal one shot one kill radius. Although I have seen people wrangle the spas into killing people at even farther ranges. Me? I just use it 'cause it's tacticool. And no one else really uses it without also using slugs.
Honest to goodness, I did not understand so much as a single word of that. Except Tacticool, that is.
 

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Playing Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. I was on the mission to capture the Ace of Hearts, and for the first time ever, I got to the end of the mission without getting killed (and this included segments where you have to run down a catwalk with six soldiers firing RPGs at you). The Ace nearly escaped on his helicopter, but I managed to whack him over the back of the head and handcuff him for capture, and shoot down his helicopter before it can kill me or him (which would have cut my bounty in half). Congratulating myself on this achievement, I called in my extraction chopper, which promptly flew in.

And clipped the side of the tower I was standing on, with the Ace over my shoulders.

And spun around.

And catapulted me into the water around the tower, where I drowned.

What.
 

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Liquid Paradox said:
Ramare said:
Another: I once killed a sniper with one shot shell at 60 - 70 meters range. That time I was using an 870MCS, which seems to do more damage, and using magnum ammo; though. So that one makes more sense. Without either, anything farther than 5 meters is out of normal one shot one kill radius. Although I have seen people wrangle the spas into killing people at even farther ranges. Me? I just use it 'cause it's tacticool. And no one else really uses it without also using slugs.
Honest to goodness, I did not understand so much as a single word of that. Except Tacticool, that is.
Let me try to fix that: I once killed a Recon (the class that gets sniper rifles, and everyone calls sniper because of this), at 60 - 70 meters (200 - 230 feet). This time, instead of using the SPAS-12 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchi_SPAS-12 (Probably actually the SAS-12 since it seems to have no fire selector switch, and is pump-action only.), I was using the 870 Modular Combat Shotgun [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_870 (Military model), and using Magnum Ammunition, an in-game specialization that increases damage [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Magnum_ammo.

Now, in in-game terms, the SPAS seems to be more accurate, but the 870 more damaging. When paired with more damage, this could logically one-hit kill a target at longer ranges. However, shotguns in this game are still of the short-ranged classification; just less so in comparison to basically any other modern military game ever. Also, the SPAS looks very sexy.

There, does that clear it up, at all?
 

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Melon Hunter said:
Playing Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. I was on the mission to capture the Ace of Hearts, and for the first time ever, I got to the end of the mission without getting killed (and this included segments where you have to run down a catwalk with six soldiers firing RPGs at you). The Ace nearly escaped on his helicopter, but I managed to whack him over the back of the head and handcuff him for capture, and shoot down his helicopter before it can kill me or him (which would have cut my bounty in half). Congratulating myself on this achievement, I called in my extraction chopper, which promptly flew in.

And clipped the side of the tower I was standing on, with the Ace over my shoulders.

And spun around.

And catapulted me into the water around the tower, where I drowned.

What.
You, sir or madame, have just surpassed my anecdotes in both pure awesome factor and pure what factor. I think you've won.

On a side note, are the Mercenaries games any good? I was thinking of looking into them because they sounded awesome. Word of mouth might speed that up that process.
 

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Ramare said:
Melon Hunter said:
Playing Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. I was on the mission to capture the Ace of Hearts, and for the first time ever, I got to the end of the mission without getting killed (and this included segments where you have to run down a catwalk with six soldiers firing RPGs at you). The Ace nearly escaped on his helicopter, but I managed to whack him over the back of the head and handcuff him for capture, and shoot down his helicopter before it can kill me or him (which would have cut my bounty in half). Congratulating myself on this achievement, I called in my extraction chopper, which promptly flew in.

And clipped the side of the tower I was standing on, with the Ace over my shoulders.

And spun around.

And catapulted me into the water around the tower, where I drowned.

What.
You, sir or madame, have just surpassed my anecdotes in both pure awesome factor and pure what factor. I think you've won.

On a side note, are the Mercenaries games any good? I was thinking of looking into them because they sounded awesome. Word of mouth might speed that up that process.
Heh, thanks for that. And yes, the Mercenaries games are good. Mercs 2 is buggy as hell (although they're gaffes like collectible items respawning, rather than game-breakers) but if you can look past that, then they're both great fun. The original Mercs has a bit of a more serious feel to it (invasion of North Korea and all that palava), and had some seriously good destruction physics for the time when it was released in 2005. Also, the missions are quite nice and varied, and every member of the Deck of 52 has a unique thrill to capturing them.

Mercs 2 is dumb fun, but still great. Your compatriots include a drunk Russian fighter pilot and a helicopter pilot with the most ridiculous Irish accent I've ever heard, and the factions include Jamaican pirates and a Venezuelan rebel faction that put the Reapers from Just Cause 2 to shame. Seriously, if you want a tongue-in-cheek sandbox, look no further than Mercs 2. It's cheaper than Saint's Row The Third, anyhow.
 

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Ramare said:
Liquid Paradox said:
Ramare said:
Another: I once killed a sniper with one shot shell at 60 - 70 meters range. That time I was using an 870MCS, which seems to do more damage, and using magnum ammo; though. So that one makes more sense. Without either, anything farther than 5 meters is out of normal one shot one kill radius. Although I have seen people wrangle the spas into killing people at even farther ranges. Me? I just use it 'cause it's tacticool. And no one else really uses it without also using slugs.
Honest to goodness, I did not understand so much as a single word of that. Except Tacticool, that is.
Let me try to fix that: I once killed a Recon (the class that gets sniper rifles, and everyone calls sniper because of this), at 60 - 70 meters (200 - 230 feet). This time, instead of using the SPAS-12 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchi_SPAS-12 (Probably actually the SAS-12 since it seems to have no fire selector switch, and is pump-action only.), I was using the 870 Modular Combat Shotgun [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_870 (Military model), and using Magnum Ammunition, an in-game specialization that increases damage [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Magnum_ammo.

Now, in in-game terms, the SPAS seems to be more accurate, but the 870 more damaging. When paired with more damage, this could logically one-hit kill a target at longer ranges. However, shotguns in this game are still of the short-ranged classification; just less so in comparison to basically any other modern military game ever. Also, the SPAS looks very sexy.

There, does that clear it up, at all?
Actually... yes :D

And, since I don't want to get into trouble for short-posting, I may as well post some OT:

I play World of Tanks, which is a super fun game, except for one, tiny little factor... The game is, unfortunately, more about time spent playing then actual skill. Which doesn't mean I suck, by any means (this is always always ALWAYS the response I get from WoT Players when I complain about this... go flex your epeen elsewhere), and in fact, I am rather good, so long as I am paired with tanks that I actually stand a chance with.

So, the point is that every single time I drop a lot of credits on a new tank, or finally managed to farm enough exp to get that new cannon, I suddenly go through a really long trend of getting thrown into high-tier games, so that I am at the very bottom of said tier. Seriously... this happens to me every single time. Spend hours of game time working towards a new McGuffin, only to get killed over and over due to unfair match-ups.
 

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Melon Hunter said:
Ramare said:
Melon Hunter said:
Playing Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction. I was on the mission to capture the Ace of Hearts, and for the first time ever, I got to the end of the mission without getting killed (and this included segments where you have to run down a catwalk with six soldiers firing RPGs at you). The Ace nearly escaped on his helicopter, but I managed to whack him over the back of the head and handcuff him for capture, and shoot down his helicopter before it can kill me or him (which would have cut my bounty in half). Congratulating myself on this achievement, I called in my extraction chopper, which promptly flew in.

And clipped the side of the tower I was standing on, with the Ace over my shoulders.

And spun around.

And catapulted me into the water around the tower, where I drowned.

What.
You, sir or madame, have just surpassed my anecdotes in both pure awesome factor and pure what factor. I think you've won.

On a side note, are the Mercenaries games any good? I was thinking of looking into them because they sounded awesome. Word of mouth might speed that up that process.
Heh, thanks for that. And yes, the Mercenaries games are good. Mercs 2 is buggy as hell (although they're gaffes like collectible items respawning, rather than game-breakers) but if you can look past that, then they're both great fun. The original Mercs has a bit of a more serious feel to it (invasion of North Korea and all that palava), and had some seriously good destruction physics for the time when it was released in 2005. Also, the missions are quite nice and varied, and every member of the Deck of 52 has a unique thrill to capturing them.

Mercs 2 is dumb fun, but still great. Your compatriots include a drunk Russian fighter pilot and a helicopter pilot with the most ridiculous Irish accent I've ever heard, and the factions include Jamaican pirates and a Venezuelan rebel faction that put the Reapers from Just Cause 2 to shame. Seriously, if you want a tongue-in-cheek sandbox, look no further than Mercs 2. It's cheaper than Saint's Row The Third, anyhow.
Cool, I'll look into them. Should I start with 1 and go to 2? Also, which one is one or two based on subtitle (I.E. Playground of Destruction)? Do they have shotguns? And, if so, do they have accuracy while firing shot equatable to a short, rifled barrel with no muzzle choke? Is it first or third person? They're on the PC, right? Not trying to bog you down with questions. I had to add more so it isn't low-content, and then figured "While I'm asking...".
 

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Liquid Paradox said:
Ramare said:
Liquid Paradox said:
Ramare said:
Another: I once killed a sniper with one shot shell at 60 - 70 meters range. That time I was using an 870MCS, which seems to do more damage, and using magnum ammo; though. So that one makes more sense. Without either, anything farther than 5 meters is out of normal one shot one kill radius. Although I have seen people wrangle the spas into killing people at even farther ranges. Me? I just use it 'cause it's tacticool. And no one else really uses it without also using slugs.
Honest to goodness, I did not understand so much as a single word of that. Except Tacticool, that is.
Let me try to fix that: I once killed a Recon (the class that gets sniper rifles, and everyone calls sniper because of this), at 60 - 70 meters (200 - 230 feet). This time, instead of using the SPAS-12 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franchi_SPAS-12 (Probably actually the SAS-12 since it seems to have no fire selector switch, and is pump-action only.), I was using the 870 Modular Combat Shotgun [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remington_Model_870 (Military model), and using Magnum Ammunition, an in-game specialization that increases damage [http://battlefield.wikia.com/wiki/Magnum_ammo.

Now, in in-game terms, the SPAS seems to be more accurate, but the 870 more damaging. When paired with more damage, this could logically one-hit kill a target at longer ranges. However, shotguns in this game are still of the short-ranged classification; just less so in comparison to basically any other modern military game ever. Also, the SPAS looks very sexy.

There, does that clear it up, at all?
Actually... yes :D

And, since I don't want to get into trouble for short-posting, I may as well post some OT:

I play World of Tanks, which is a super fun game, except for one, tiny little factor... The game is, unfortunately, more about time spent playing then actual skill. Which doesn't mean I suck, by any means (this is always always ALWAYS the response I get from WoT Players when I complain about this... go flex your epeen elsewhere), and in fact, I am rather good, so long as I am paired with tanks that I actually stand a chance with.

So, the point is that every single time I drop a lot of credits on a new tank, or finally managed to farm enough exp to get that new cannon, I suddenly go through a really long trend of getting thrown into high-tier games, so that I am at the very bottom of said tier. Seriously... this happens to me every single time. Spend hours of game time working towards a new McGuffin, only to get killed over and over due to unfair match-ups.
And that, is why I dislike non-RPG games that heavily use RPG-type statistics: the stuff They (The high level douchebags that rub it in your face, and seemingly spend 50 bucks a week on even though it's a free game) get is better than the stuff you can ever really hope to get. Also, those games generally have stuff that you can't get without either playing for a few years or paying, or just can't get without paying. I know that that's part marketing, but come on... Also, games like that make sure that the newbie weapons are objectively terrible in every way, and that there's another weapon in the same class with better everything that you have to pay for. This isn't as bad with mech games, and FPS/TPS games with non-real guns; but when you have an M16A4 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M16_rifle that is less accurate than, more recoil...ous... than, and less damaging than an M4A1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M4_carbine, there's a problem. That is to say, an assault rifle that's more of a battle rifle being less accurate than, having more recoil than, and being less damaging than a carbine derived from that same weapon, even though the assault rifle has a longer, bigger, heavier barrel, and thus should have better accuracy, damage, range, and less recoil. And, with the M4A1, I don't even mean better collateral damage...I mean per-shot damage...