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RatherDull said:
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Thunderous Cacophony said:
I've got no idea what's going on or what this comic is about, but clearly something is going to happen. Guess I'll make some popcorn, camp the thread, and try to work out why people are angry about super-sentai Jesus fighting a swarm of bees.
In case you are not joking it is a reference to a previous comic that they did.

WGDF stands for White Guy Defence Force.

The other one was... divisive to say the least.

EDIT: Double Ninja'd.

EDIT 2: I just noticed the Yellow one has a Fedora and is tipping it constantly, plus they mention Euphoric. I don't think I had a clue about those stereotypes back when it first came out.
Beta holding an MLP doll was crossing the line in my opinion.
That was my favorite part about the last comic. =P
Bronies get enough **** for going against the grain for what they love.

Not an MLP fan myself but I can empathize with them on this one.
Do you understand that that's exactly why it was put into the comic in the first place? The entire comic - from start to finish - was specifically designed to poke as many possible hornets' nests as they could. That's why they're not just making up "white guy" excuses. Red is a "bro", Blue is a "brony", and Yellow has a fedora. It's layers upon layers of flame-bait!
I thought they were caricatures for the people who have kneejerk reactions to claims of racism or sexism in media or society.
yeah, insecure white guys
 

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1Life0Continues said:
This should be fun.

I think the last WGDF was the funniest and most biting strip I've seen.

And the response was...delicious.

Poor little white guys making excuses for themselves.

Out of curiosity, do you often find humor in people being emotionally upset and angry? I mean that as an honest question as I find it fascinating.
 

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So far I've only seen people waiting for a response and the banhammer to drop.
But this is like taking one of the guys from the Ginyu Force and taking them to a photo shoot.
It's one guy, a nice picture, no context.
Just because he stands there and belongs to the WGDF doesn't mean we'll get people raging. I think....

as said, a nice drawing :)
 

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Right or wrong, if a similar comic had been written about any other group/subject, there is no doubt in my mind many more people would have found it appalling.
That's the point. It's making fun of the insecurities of certain members of the most secure group. Doesn't work if you are doing it to a less secure group.
 

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RatherDull said:
RJ 17 said:
RatherDull said:
RJ 17 said:
RatherDull said:
RJ 17 said:
RatherDull said:
Legion said:
Thunderous Cacophony said:
I've got no idea what's going on or what this comic is about, but clearly something is going to happen. Guess I'll make some popcorn, camp the thread, and try to work out why people are angry about super-sentai Jesus fighting a swarm of bees.
In case you are not joking it is a reference to a previous comic that they did.

WGDF stands for White Guy Defence Force.

The other one was... divisive to say the least.

EDIT: Double Ninja'd.

EDIT 2: I just noticed the Yellow one has a Fedora and is tipping it constantly, plus they mention Euphoric. I don't think I had a clue about those stereotypes back when it first came out.
Beta holding an MLP doll was crossing the line in my opinion.
That was my favorite part about the last comic. =P
Bronies get enough **** for going against the grain for what they love.

Not an MLP fan myself but I can empathize with them on this one.
Do you understand that that's exactly why it was put into the comic in the first place? The entire comic - from start to finish - was specifically designed to poke as many possible hornets' nests as they could. That's why they're not just making up "white guy" excuses. Red is a "bro", Blue is a "brony", and Yellow has a fedora. It's layers upon layers of flame-bait!
I thought they were caricatures for the people who have kneejerk reactions to claims of racism or sexism in media or society.
Indeed they were, but Grey wasn't saying that bronies have knee-jerk reactions to racism/etc. They knew that the topic for that comic was likely to gain a lot of heat considering the nature of this forum. On any given day you can always find at least 3 topics created on sexism/racism/gender issues/what-have-you somewhere on this site. But why stop there? They decided to go all out and just started adding in little details to rope in even MORE heat. Which is why Twilight Sparkle is tucked comfortably under Blue's arm. It's why Yellow's current status is Euphoric. It's why Red thinks that Erin is "mirin'".

As I said: it's layers upon layers of flame-bait. The entire comic is flame-bait just for the topic that it's addressing. All the little details in the comic are just flame-bait sprinkles on top.
True I guess. Still really mean though.
It depends on your sense of humor, really. The last WGDF comic was basically one big joke on the readers. If you "got it" then you weren't upset or offended. If you didn't "get it" - i.e. you took offense - then you went to the comic section and raised hell about it. Basically it boils down to how seriously you took the comic and whether or not you could see it for the obvious flame-bait that it was.

Honestly, the meanest part of the whole comic wasn't any of the writing or images presented, it was the fact that those that took offense and raged about the comic often met with the business end of the ban hammer.
 

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RatherDull said:
RJ 17 said:
RatherDull said:
RJ 17 said:
RatherDull said:
RJ 17 said:
RatherDull said:
Legion said:
Thunderous Cacophony said:
I've got no idea what's going on or what this comic is about, but clearly something is going to happen. Guess I'll make some popcorn, camp the thread, and try to work out why people are angry about super-sentai Jesus fighting a swarm of bees.
In case you are not joking it is a reference to a previous comic that they did.

WGDF stands for White Guy Defence Force.

The other one was... divisive to say the least.

EDIT: Double Ninja'd.

EDIT 2: I just noticed the Yellow one has a Fedora and is tipping it constantly, plus they mention Euphoric. I don't think I had a clue about those stereotypes back when it first came out.
Beta holding an MLP doll was crossing the line in my opinion.
That was my favorite part about the last comic. =P
Bronies get enough **** for going against the grain for what they love.

Not an MLP fan myself but I can empathize with them on this one.
Do you understand that that's exactly why it was put into the comic in the first place? The entire comic - from start to finish - was specifically designed to poke as many possible hornets' nests as they could. That's why they're not just making up "white guy" excuses. Red is a "bro", Blue is a "brony", and Yellow has a fedora. It's layers upon layers of flame-bait!
I thought they were caricatures for the people who have kneejerk reactions to claims of racism or sexism in media or society.
Indeed they were, but Grey wasn't saying that bronies have knee-jerk reactions to racism/etc. They knew that the topic for that comic was likely to gain a lot of heat considering the nature of this forum. On any given day you can always find at least 3 topics created on sexism/racism/gender issues/what-have-you somewhere on this site. But why stop there? They decided to go all out and just started adding in little details to rope in even MORE heat. Which is why Twilight Sparkle is tucked comfortably under Blue's arm. It's why Yellow's current status is Euphoric. It's why Red thinks that Erin is "mirin'".

As I said: it's layers upon layers of flame-bait. The entire comic is flame-bait just for the topic that it's addressing. All the little details in the comic are just flame-bait sprinkles on top.
True I guess. Still really mean though.
That was pretty much my problem with the whole thing. It seemed to rely on being as vicious as possible to as many people in the target as possible. It was, of course, also aimed at people who are by far and away the least likely to have anyone outside the target group be sympathetic to them. I was a bit unnerved that people who expressed anger at the comic were then in the comments section ridiculed simply for being upset.
 

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Finally got tired of baiting the Evangelion fans did we lads? Decided it was time to try and break your record for the most replies and biggest shit stirring thread since the MovieBob's original Expendables review thread?

I look forward to whatever result is gained from this exercise.
 

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I see that this thread will be composed exclusively of people waiting for people to be offended by the subject matter.

But there's no reason to be offended by this image out of context.

Wait till Tuesday when they post something actually inflammatory to see if someone takes the flame bait.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Gorrath said:
Right or wrong, if a similar comic had been written about any other group/subject, there is no doubt in my mind many more people would have found it appalling.
That's the point. It's making fun of the insecurities of certain members of the most secure group. Doesn't work if you are doing it to a less secure group.
Indeed, and I don't find it particularly admirable or humorous to attack the insecurities of people, regardless of what group they belong to, unless there is some larger point to be made. I took no personal offense to the comic myself, I just found it to lack humor and thought it was in bad taste. Insecurities are derived by the individual based on their own experiences, not on which group they belong to (though you will find correlation between the two, it isn't axiomatic.) I just don't find being vicious to people all that amusing is all.
 

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Guffe said:
Just because he stands there and belongs to the WGDF doesn't mean we'll get people raging. I think....
Not in this thread, no.
But what's important in the comic is the bit at the bottom where it says "Coming soon..."

So any raging will likely happen in the next WGDF thread.

Unless this is just another potential future thing we get promised, but it never happens, which has happened before.
 

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Think of this like a bug lamp. Every now and then you make a comic like this and all the worms come out of the woodwork (and mix my metaphors), the mods zap them and we're left with a chiller less-frothy community.
 

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Hunter85792 said:
I see that this thread will be composed exclusively of people waiting for people to be offended by the subject matter.

But there's no reason to be offended by this image out of context.

Wait till Tuesday when they post something actually inflammatory to if some pour soul takes the bait.
Well, given the nature of the previous comic and its effect, I'd say we have a context. At least until the next one is made, the context is the previous strip. If they leverage the expectation created by this image to get people arguing and then turn around and put out something far less inflammatory, it will be a little bit brilliant. If they put out nothing at all and are just using this single image to spark debate, that itself would be interesting.
 

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Gordon_4 said:
Decided it was time to try and break your record for the most replies and biggest shit stirring thread since the MovieBob's original Expendables review thread?
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IceForce said:
So, we're going for an attempt at breaking the record for most number of bans in a single thread?

What is the current record anyway? And what thread currently holds that record?
I can only imagine that it was indeed the previous WGDF comic.
Don't forget Jimquisition's Adblock thread. That one was chock full of warnings and bans too. Heaps of them.
 

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Gorrath said:
thaluikhain said:
Gorrath said:
Right or wrong, if a similar comic had been written about any other group/subject, there is no doubt in my mind many more people would have found it appalling.
That's the point. It's making fun of the insecurities of certain members of the most secure group. Doesn't work if you are doing it to a less secure group.
Indeed, and I don't find it particularly admirable or humorous to attack the insecurities of people, regardless of what group they belong to, unless there is some larger point to be made. I took no personal offense to the comic myself, I just found it to lack humor and thought it was in bad taste. Insecurities are derived by the individual based on their own experiences, not on which group they belong to (though you will find correlation between the two, it isn't axiomatic.) I just don't find being vicious to people all that amusing is all.
I believe there was a larger issue being made, about the way that majority groups are always (as a whole) somewhat afraid of minority groups with much less power, and that this fear very often leads to oppression.

These false inequalities tend to go unquestioned by most who share them, which is very dangerous. This is very much an issue that needs more condemnation and possibly ridicule...you'll note when the comic does something like this, people wonder what controversy or horrific crime sparked it, because there's always plenty to chose from.

Having said that though, I might be reading into the creator's motives too much, they do seem a bit too keen on just attacking people at random. I think one mentioned "punching in every direction, like a drunken octopus" or something as a response to a concern about their attack on gender neutral names.
 

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Gorrath said:
Out of curiosity, do you often find humor in people being emotionally upset and angry? I mean that as an honest question as I find it fascinating.
What I find humorous is often considered by others to be insensitive. I like dead baby jokes, and I find people offing themselves in idiotic ways intensely funny. I also tend to laugh at people who are part of a majority group with nothing to be offended about getting offended by a comic that was designed specifically to offend insecure people.

So yes, in this case, I derive a LARGE amount of humour from it. Because assholes who treat others with disdain getting upset when someone else does it to them is intensely satisfying. I don't apologise.
 

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thaluikhain said:
Having said that though, I might be reading into the creator's motives too much, they do seem a bit too keen on just attacking people at random. I think one mentioned "punching in every direction, like a drunken octopus" or something as a response to a concern about their attack on gender neutral names.
Yeah, being both a follower of Grey on Twitter and a reader of this comic it's pretty obvious that he likes to throw his opinions down like a challenge. There's not a whole lot of cushioning language, the "in my opinion" or "to my mind" sort of stuff that usually acts as a "THIS IS MY OPINION, I AM NOT STATING IT TO BE FACT, CHILL THE FUCK OUT" buffer to mitigate offense. He just goes right for the throat.

Wouldn't call it random though. The trolling in the strip always seems to be guided by authorial opinion on a topic rather than choosing who they can piss off today from a long list of assorted subcultures.

Y'know, in my opinion.
 

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Nothing you do about Donald Stirling could approach what he did to himself in a deposition from a few years ago.

 

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Halyah said:
... Is it bad that I don't get it or why the topic suddenly turned to banhammers? Or maybe I missed the poster explaining it...
Yeah, it's been explained.

Basically: This is the second time the WGDF has featured in a Critical Miss comic.
The first time the WGDF was featured, it resulted in a 40 page thread full of bans.