Guys, really, guys, we should get back to the REAL issue here.
If a mac and a PC were drowning, would a river save them from a dog?
If a mac and a PC were drowning, would a river save them from a dog?
What are the pros and benefits of a Mac?
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Maya is OK but the problem is that it has an unintuitive interface (coming from someone who spent a year with it) and 3DS Max has superior modeling tools while Maya has superior animation tools. I am a 3D modeler so max is where I stay.aba1 said:Really I thought 3DMax was for both Mac and Windows. Either way peeps use Maya round hereSaulkar said:
It looks pretty.
I own six... ..I think I need help.
On a more serious note, these days there's nothing really that separates Mac's from other computers. The desktop layout and shortcuts are little different, but it uses the same hardware as everything else dose and usually runs the same - or very similar programs.
They do tend to be well screwed together, more than can be said for most Windows OEM machines, but not as well as they used to be. The hardware tends to lag behind the current best, but that said it tends to be well used. Although again, not as true as it used to be - Lion was a bloated mess I'm given to understand.
They cost far too much for what they are, but your paying for a status symbol. If you give a damn about what other's think about you then go ahead and pay the premium. If you prefer the way the Mac GUI is laid out then go ahead and pay the premium (or use Linux with an OSX like GUI.) Or if your one of those people who still insists Macs are the best for artists then go ahead and pay the premium - your wrong, but I don't fancy having that argument at this point in time.
If your computer is an appliance, something you use without much thought... ..OSX is probably easier to get on with than Windows (And definitely more than Linux.) But if your a power user, or even just want to tinker, then both Windows and Linux are better options. It's not so much because of Windows or Linux having more features, it's just Apple lock their stuff down a hell of a lot harder - they assume your an intelligent idiot: Your smart enough to earn enough money to buy their product, but not smart enough to troubleshoot a problem.
At least, that's how it feels to me.
I own six... ..I think I need help.
On a more serious note, these days there's nothing really that separates Mac's from other computers. The desktop layout and shortcuts are little different, but it uses the same hardware as everything else dose and usually runs the same - or very similar programs.
They do tend to be well screwed together, more than can be said for most Windows OEM machines, but not as well as they used to be. The hardware tends to lag behind the current best, but that said it tends to be well used. Although again, not as true as it used to be - Lion was a bloated mess I'm given to understand.
They cost far too much for what they are, but your paying for a status symbol. If you give a damn about what other's think about you then go ahead and pay the premium. If you prefer the way the Mac GUI is laid out then go ahead and pay the premium (or use Linux with an OSX like GUI.) Or if your one of those people who still insists Macs are the best for artists then go ahead and pay the premium - your wrong, but I don't fancy having that argument at this point in time.
If your computer is an appliance, something you use without much thought... ..OSX is probably easier to get on with than Windows (And definitely more than Linux.) But if your a power user, or even just want to tinker, then both Windows and Linux are better options. It's not so much because of Windows or Linux having more features, it's just Apple lock their stuff down a hell of a lot harder - they assume your an intelligent idiot: Your smart enough to earn enough money to buy their product, but not smart enough to troubleshoot a problem.
At least, that's how it feels to me.
I have only used Maya but you sound like you know what your talking about so I will trust ya. I just checked and 3ds Max is for both operating systems. Also if that is your work you are a very talented modeler great work I am more of a flash animator myself. I know the basics of Maya but really I am a 2d guy through and through I even won a few awards on newgroundsSaulkar said:Maya is OK but the problem is that it has an unintuitive interface (coming from someone who spent a year with it) and 3DS Max has superior modeling tools while Maya has superior animation tools. I am a 3D modeler so max is where I stay.aba1 said:Really I thought 3DMax was for both Mac and Windows. Either way peeps use Maya round hereSaulkar said:
And for everyone saying that graphic artists have "inferior options" on PCs, I'd like to A. call you a damned liar, and B. introduce you to VirtualBox. Thus, you get to keep your RAM unmolested for the things that actually use it for half the price!saintdane05 said:
OT: It looks nice.
OT- Really depends what you're doing. I made up this algorithm for my self to say what users need in an OS:
Windows is for businessmen who can't be arsed (better work software),
the Mac OS is for artists who can't be arsed (better artistic software),
and the Ix systems (Unix and Linux) is for computer experts who can't be arsed (maximum flexibility with teh insides!).
There's my two cents.
Macs are:
Shiny
Expensive (both as a PC and ANY sort of peripheral)
Absolute POS when it comes to cross-platforming with other technology.
Shiny
Expensive (both as a PC and ANY sort of peripheral)
Absolute POS when it comes to cross-platforming with other technology.
AFAIK, Boot Camp creates a partition on your drive and then installs Win7 on there. You're thinking Parallels the software.Syzygy23 said:
EDIT- Boot Camp is already part of the Mac.
That's hardly fair at all. I have used Macs in the past and I can still comment on their price and closed-off systems. I can't afford nor do I have a need of a Mac, which is why I don't have one, why can't I interject my own opinion if it's well formulated?aba1 said:
Sure it is if you have barely used it you won't have seen or tried most of the features or gotten extremely casual with the OS so how can you possibly make a informed decision on the quality of the OS short of whether you see yourself buying it.Megacherv said:
You can still comment on it even if you don't own it. Ownership is not experience but if you don't have very much experience you really shouldn't speak as if you do. Even reading about it doesn't stand for much since so much of the information around the net is biased one way or the other, not to mention reading about something is very different from experiencing it. I can read how to swim but that won't give me a informed decision on the experience except maybe for myself on whether I would or not.
You really can't comment on pro sports unless you have played them. I mean you might understand how they work but short of that you really shouldn't judge. Why do you think people say you should try something for a whiles before making up your mind it is because without first hand experience you really don't know what you are talking about for the most part.Matthew94 said:That's like saying you can't comment on pro sports unless you play them.aba1 said:
Very silly
Hardware wise, you cannot justify buying a Mac machine completely retail at all. If you enjoy the OS then build a computer and install Mac OS on it. Buying a Mac from retail is incredibly overpriced (I've seen them go for 3k+ more expensive than a typical toshiba model with the same specs, and that's before considering the even lower cost of building one), and difficult to upgrade.
Apple's Mac hardware is really only good for looking sleek and shiny, and not anything efficient.
Also on the topic of viruses, the only way you really download a virus nowadays is if you download from a shady website, which is fairly easy to spot. Meaning if you got a virus you probably either didn't have enough experience to know what you were doing, or you were really desperate to download something that was probably illegal.
Apple's Mac hardware is really only good for looking sleek and shiny, and not anything efficient.
Also on the topic of viruses, the only way you really download a virus nowadays is if you download from a shady website, which is fairly easy to spot. Meaning if you got a virus you probably either didn't have enough experience to know what you were doing, or you were really desperate to download something that was probably illegal.
Coming at this from a photography / image manipulation angle, the main consensus seems to be that people are using macs for creative purposes because everyone is using them. (Disregarding hipster sentiments here: I really don't care for anyone buying a computer "because it is Apple", or because the case looks pwetty - nor would they be swayed by logic anyway.)Vivi22 said:
Personally when asked whether one should buy a PC or a Mac I tend to answer based on general computer familiarity: if you barely can find the "On" button, then Mac is the way to go.
For anyone advanced enough to want to customise, Windows would be the obvious choice, as OSX is simply not built for any configuration past speaker volume.
There's very little benefit if any, since they're just another PC with a different OS installed.
As far as hardware is concerned, virtually nothing since Apple has been using the same components as conventional PC's for about a decade now. The only real difference is in OS and form factor.
The benefits of using Mac OS varies from person to person. To me, viruses aren't an issue because I can take care of those things myself and the "user friendliness" just makes things harder for me being an advanced user.
With Windows, which is basically on majority of PC's, there's almost no need to worry about compatibility. Even Ubuntu in certain ways has better compatibility than Mac OS and windoes since the user base fixes all that. I've had situations where an HP printer would refuse to print because some proprietary HP bullshit software kept trying to run. As soon as I switched to Ubuntu, it worked immediately.
Can we also get passed this "Mac is better for media" horse shit? Just because you find it easier to operate Apples software, doesn't make it superior. Both Apple software and, say Adobe, are more than capable of performing the tasks you want them to. Many would argue Adobe is better, not because they're anti Apple, but because they actually think it is.
As far as hardware is concerned, virtually nothing since Apple has been using the same components as conventional PC's for about a decade now. The only real difference is in OS and form factor.
The benefits of using Mac OS varies from person to person. To me, viruses aren't an issue because I can take care of those things myself and the "user friendliness" just makes things harder for me being an advanced user.
With Windows, which is basically on majority of PC's, there's almost no need to worry about compatibility. Even Ubuntu in certain ways has better compatibility than Mac OS and windoes since the user base fixes all that. I've had situations where an HP printer would refuse to print because some proprietary HP bullshit software kept trying to run. As soon as I switched to Ubuntu, it worked immediately.
Can we also get passed this "Mac is better for media" horse shit? Just because you find it easier to operate Apples software, doesn't make it superior. Both Apple software and, say Adobe, are more than capable of performing the tasks you want them to. Many would argue Adobe is better, not because they're anti Apple, but because they actually think it is.
