Because all of those games except for Team Fortress and Half-Life were made by mod teams and the mod teams were bought out by Valve. Dont get me wrong, Valve is awesome and I own all their games, but people arent giving proper credit where its due.Redingold said:
what developer has the most soul?
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I'll go with Rare, makers of good games with great gameplay. At least in the N64 era.
Seriously, I can't stop loving Banjo Kazooie and Goldeneye.
Seriously, I can't stop loving Banjo Kazooie and Goldeneye.
@rolfwesselius, but don't worry, Revolver sucked. It was developed by Capcom at first and was almost abandoned before Rockstar picked it up, and was a mediocre action game. There's a reason you've never heard of it.starwarsgeek said:Yup. Red Dead Revolver on the PS2 kicked off the IP.rolfwesselius said:
But this. When they still had "ware" attached to their name, it was one of best developers of all time.Mister Man said:
I also have to say Retro Studios, the guys who made Metroid Prime and the new Donkey Kong Country. You can feel the love when you play those.
I wouldn't.Joseph375 said:
I'm not going to say that Valve doesn`t make good games, but I won`t call them the best developer out there, and they certainly don`t have the most creativity, having built virtually all of their games on the Half-Life engine.
I still think that "soul" needs a better definition. I personally define it as "devs that give a shit about their game and aren`t just interested in how much money they can rake in off of a name."
Which series would that be? The Prince of Persia games, the Assassin`s Creed games, the Splinter Cell games, you have a lot more that you can pick and choose from than just one series. And all of the aforementioned series` were amazing, thank you very much.Joseph375 said:
Atlus, just because they haven't disappointed me so far. I would say Valve, but I'm still trying to invest in a better PC.
because of the escapist's not-so-secret fanboy crush on the developer.Redingold said:
it forces people to actually think about developers who REALLY have soul and not just spout what everyone else is spouting.
as for me? I have to say Volition. All they focus on is "what's fun?" then do it. i mean... have you SEEN that Saints Row: The Third gameplay? [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/trailers/3625-Saints-Row-The-Third-Steelport] THAT is a developer with soul!
Even though I'm not really crazy about them I'd kinda say Valve as well as Volition. Because while i may not like every game they've made, at least they try to make fun games that are at least somewhat different from most other developers.
In all honesty, this question has no real answer because every developer does sequels at some point or another, and since when are sequels automatically bad or not creative or unique?
In all honesty, this question has no real answer because every developer does sequels at some point or another, and since when are sequels automatically bad or not creative or unique?
And yet the OP lists Rockstar.this isnt my name said:
Grand Theft Auto 2
Grand Theft Auto III
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
Grand Theft Auto IV
No hypocrisy here, no sir.
Additionally, Half-Life 2 and Team Fortress 2 were very different to their previous games, and Portal was one of the most inventive games I've ever seen.
Yea, maybe 5 years ago, but they've gotten incredibly greedy and completely destroyed TF2 with their new products.AntonicKnight said:
I think Bioware. I know that they do a lot of sequels, but they're one of the only studios that focuses greatly on plot. Hell, even DA2 had really great characters despite the pressure that EA put on the studio.
I say Media Molecule, I love the staff, they have so much personality and clearly care about their fans and the games they create. You can see it in their games too, Modnation and LBP 1 and 2 are my favorite PS3 games.
I'm going to say Arrowhead. They really care about their game(magicka). And it was really, really good. That is, after they fixed all the bugs. And their still trying to improve. And you should really check this trailer out, it's awesome!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcEZ8jz_Hc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgcEZ8jz_Hc
"And la Noire
Which arguably created a genre."
lol.
OT: I dunno, implying you can't be creative or have a "soul" (eugh) because you don't travel outside of a genre too much seems stupid.
Which arguably created a genre."
lol.
By doing what, making it free and allowing you to craft and find anything that you can buy? People who have bought stuff have had no advantage over me whatsoever, and I haven't bought anything.bob-2000 said:
OT: I dunno, implying you can't be creative or have a "soul" (eugh) because you don't travel outside of a genre too much seems stupid.
well 3 or 4 of those are just popular mods valve took so creativity isn't really their own.Redingold said:
I would say Platinum Games Inc. Beyonetta and Vanquish were amazing, so was Infinate Space.
ThatGameCompany is also a great one. They made Flower, Flow and are currently in development of the game Journey.
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Team ICO is probably my personal Favorite. With ICO and Shadow of the Colossus and a new coming Last Guardian.
I am not saying Valve is not good, but I think they even fall short compared to these
ThatGameCompany is also a great one. They made Flower, Flow and are currently in development of the game Journey.
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Team ICO is probably my personal Favorite. With ICO and Shadow of the Colossus and a new coming Last Guardian.
I am not saying Valve is not good, but I think they even fall short compared to these
Thatgamecompany for sure. Whether you're into their games or not, you can't deny that they are always a new experience. (Okay I know they've only made two games so far-three if you count cloud-, but at least they're trying something different, and they clearly care about games as a medium for artistic expression.)
Edit: Damn, ninja'd by the post above :\ Oh well, TGC is still awesome.
Edit: Damn, ninja'd by the post above :\ Oh well, TGC is still awesome.
I'm going to throw out Bungie for this. As much hate as Halo gets for being "unoriginal and derivative," it really only followed the formula it made for itself, just like most series. Why Bungie has the most soul is not only have they wilingly departed from a monstrously profitable series, that they themselves created, in order to pursue other endeavors and try out new things, but they also have a great connection to the community. They've always listened to us, they've always given back and tried to get us involved as much as they could.
I say Bungie is one of a kind, and the willingness to leave Halo in spite of its profit alone gives them more soul than most other developers out there.
I say Bungie is one of a kind, and the willingness to leave Halo in spite of its profit alone gives them more soul than most other developers out there.
I wouldnt choose valve half life? i loved it,hl2? it was to the first game what doom 3, deus ex invislbe war and blood 2 were to the first. Imo hated it.
Now l4d, counter strike, teamfoftress, swarm, all started as mods. Gotta give em props for portal but making l4d2 and portal 2 kind jumps on the wagon of pointless sequels, which begs the questsion WHY THE NEXT HL3 IS NOT OUT YET? I guess because they dont want to risk the most sucessfull franchise.
Now l4d, counter strike, teamfoftress, swarm, all started as mods. Gotta give em props for portal but making l4d2 and portal 2 kind jumps on the wagon of pointless sequels, which begs the questsion WHY THE NEXT HL3 IS NOT OUT YET? I guess because they dont want to risk the most sucessfull franchise.