Wait. Wut? RtH:R is considered one of the worst games of the 7th gen. Or are you saying that its even worse than people say it is?Cold Shiny said:Just my opinion:
- GTA V
- All mainline Bethesda RPGs
- TF2
- Ride to Hell: Retribution
It was a joke. I just put the worst game I could think of on the list.Bilious Green said:Wait. Wut? RtH:R is considered one of the worst games of the 7th gen. Or are you saying that its even worse than people say it is?Cold Shiny said:Just my opinion:
- GTA V
- All mainline Bethesda RPGs
- TF2
- Ride to Hell: Retribution
Tbf, I don't even think it's the best Final Fantasy, but it gets a lot of props for being a) the first 3D one and b) a whole generation of gamers' first FF game. The story and characters are weak compared to other games in the series, in my opinion. I wouldn't give up on JRPGs because of it - there are some fantastic ones out there, including in the main line FF series.skim172 said:Taking a step back from "overrated" to "popular game that I personally don't enjoy":
Final Fantasy 7. I never finished it. I thought the combat was boring, and the story was predictable when it wasn't being utterly nonsensical. I didn't care about any of the characters, I was completely nonplussed by Aeris' death - if anything, I felt irritated by the obvious contrived and manipulative nature of the scene ("Want to make your story seem serious? Inject death scene here!")
I could go on - but I won't. I just ... I tried to like it. I honestly did. But I really didn't. There wasn't a single thing in the game I liked ... maybe I liked some of the characters? (I hated Cloud, incidentally).
In fact - I think I actually hated this game.
It's harsh, I know. I don't quite understand it. I know people whose opinions I respect for whom this is possibly their favorite game ever - and it might be one of the worst I've played. Expectations, perhaps - I expected too much going into it. Or ... maybe I'm just a hipster who can't enjoy something that's popular. I don't know.
I don't even like thinking about FF7, because I end up trying to figure out why I hate it when so many love it, and it kind of stresses me out a little.
I haven't played a Final Fantasy game since. I view them all with suspicion and some measure of repulsion. In fact, it turned me off JRPGs as a genre. I used to play so many - I've maybe played one since I played FF7. Because I end up comparing the JRPG I'm playing to FF7, and critically looking at anything - any tiny thing - that reminds me of FF7.
It's a problem. Maybe there's something actually wrong with me.
Eternal Darkness counts as survival horror? I just replayed it to get the true ending and I didn't think there was really much "survival" to it. Melee is overpowered and infinite, and as soon as you get the recover spell around the 3rd chapter you never have to worry about running out of health or sanity, since magic regenerates when you run around.DefunctTheory said:And it really only delivered, in my opinion, in the narrative sense. It singularly failed to do so through gameplay.dscross said:Eh? It was the original Resident Evil that coined the term.
Not something unique, really. Few games can both give you a gun, and deliver on horror. Only ones I can think of at the moment are Eternal Darkness and the original Dead Space, but even those were situational - 90% of the time the horror bit was absent in gameplay.
I think we can only take 'survival horror' as what it was intended to mean when the term was first coined (by resident evil). You seem to be making your own definition, or saying that the term shouldn't exist in gaming. When I say survival horror, I mean the elements that were present in the original Resident Evil.DefunctTheory said:And it really only delivered, in my opinion, in the narrative sense. It singularly failed to do so through gameplay.dscross said:Eh? It was the original Resident Evil that coined the term.
Not something unique, really. Few games can both give you a gun, and deliver on horror. Only ones I can think of at the moment are Eternal Darkness and the original Dead Space, but even those were situational - 90% of the time the horror bit was absent in gameplay.
That's not an assumption. It's literally the core idea of the concept of 'overrated'. It's the implication that others positive opinion of a thing are unfounded and excessive. That they are inherently wrong about their personal opinion on their level of enjoyment of something. It's the very essence of the thing, ffs. XDdscross said:Well, just to be clear, I think your point is...
A) based on a false assumption that the word overrated always has to personally insult people and not be constructive (I assume based on experiences of other threads).
Implying others might be petty is being aggressive?B) aggressive because you are using words like 'petty'.
You opened up a discussion for criticisms. I provided some. That you didn't like them and became offended by them kinda proves my point, does it not?C) cyclical - criticising me for asking people think critically is a moot point, or even makes my point instead of yours.
Never assumed it would 'turn nasty'. Just implied that this sort of 'discussion' tends to breed cynicism and animosity, given the very essence of the topic is effectively 'shitting' on others opinions.D) based on another assumption that this thread will somehow turn nasty (the only not amicable posts on this thread so far is between those who are criticising the topic itself)
Hate's a strong word, friend. I don't hate it. Just felt compelled to point out how I felt about the topic.If you really hate the idea of the thread, don't post on it
On the contrary. I enjoy a good debate. But answer me this: What is it, exactly, that's being 'debated' with this topic?Some people enjoy debating, you just clearly are not one of them.
I'm not responding to all that because it serves no purpose in the context of this thread. I will however, just make a couple of points to conclude what I have to say on the matter.Vigormortis said:snip
Weird. That didn't stop you before...dscross said:I'm not responding to all that because it serves no purpose in the context of this thread.
So say your piece, then fingers in ears? Not surprised, really.I will however, just make a couple of points to conclude what I have to say on the matter.
I was unaware I'd said I didn't want anyone posting in the thread. In fact, looking at what I did post, I'm not even sure where you gleaned anything remotely close to those words.1) ironically, no one has posted on this thread for a while and you and I are the only ones keeping it going now. If you don't want this topic to appear on the first page, it's probably not a good idea to keep posting. More people may post as a result.
You called those debates? Okay, then. I guess that just leaves me wondering: Who 'won' in your 'debates' over "I like this game because of ****" and "I don't like that game because of ****"? What points were proven? Were opinions changed?2) despite your objections to the word and the thread there were some very interesting debates about plenty of different games on here. I particularly enjoyed the one about resident evil 4.
Claiming words are 'subjective', yet taking umbrage with how I've interpreted the word(s), seems fairly hypocritical.3) Words have more subjective meaning than you seem to believe and people interpret them differently, particularly words that are fairly abstract like overrated, justice etc.
Mate chill out. I've had enough of this now. You are the one that objected so strongly to this thread, in quite an aggressive manner, which I merely countered, and then you insisted on keeping the thread going for some bizarre reason (even though you claim to be anti-the subject). I think for the 'say your piece (or peace) bit' you should take a look at yourself as well as me.Vigormortis said:Weird. That didn't stop you before...dscross said:I'm not responding to all that because it serves no purpose in the context of this thread.
So say your piece, then fingers in ears? Not surprised, really.I will however, just make a couple of points to conclude what I have to say on the matter.
I was unaware I'd said I didn't want anyone posting in the thread. In fact, looking at what I did post, I'm not even sure where you gleaned anything remotely close to those words.1) ironically, no one has posted on this thread for a while and you and I are the only ones keeping it going now. If you don't want this topic to appear on the first page, it's probably not a good idea to keep posting. More people may post as a result.
Strange.
Also: Unlike some, I don't spend every waking moment lurking and posting on nearly-dead/on-life-support internet forums. I only got around to responding to your comment recently because, honestly?....it just wasn't that pertinent.
You called those debates? Okay, then. I guess that just leaves me wondering: Who 'won' in your 'debates' over "I like this game because of ****" and "I don't like that game because of ****"? What points were proven? Were opinions changed?2) despite your objections to the word and the thread there were some very interesting debates about plenty of different games on here. I particularly enjoyed the one about resident evil 4.
Yeah, no. I'm sorry. "Arguing" over a difference in opinions in what one enjoys or doesn't enjoy just seems completely and utterly asinine to me. Never said you couldn't do it, just said it's dumb.
Claiming words are 'subjective', yet taking umbrage with how I've interpreted the word(s), seems fairly hypocritical.3) Words have more subjective meaning than you seem to believe and people interpret them differently, particularly words that are fairly abstract like overrated, justice etc.
It's a bit like Trump and Sessions bitching about free speech supposedly being 'infringed upon' in universities, yet claiming NFL team owners should fire any players who practice their own free speech rights.