What do you think is the greatest epic fail for humanity?

[Saelune]

My vote is more personally biased, but I think the American economic system. Anything goes capitalism is why we root for the underdog, but celebrate people that step on them to get to the top. Too many of us are poor, too many of us barely get by, and still a low percentage of us not only get increasingly wealthier, we do so without concern for each other. Perhaps universal health care flies in the face of capitalism, but thanks to capitalism medicine that costs only about a nickel in communist countries can bankrupt the working class.

But hell, what are a few hundred lost jobs as long as CEOs can still write themselves nice fat bonus checks for a job well done?

Apparently, it's just un-American to look out for each other unless there's money to be had doing it.

I vote this over WW2 because in the long term more people have died and will die from poverty related disease, illness, hunger, etc across the world, because American capitalism is not only about every man for himself, it's also apparently contagious.

I want off this world.

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

I'd like to, as a former atheist, offer a thought; perhaps it is not the religion that is flawed, but those who practice it? At least, I found myself opening up to the concept once I realized it wasn't god or the church I despised, it was the people that used it to justify things like intolerance and oppression. I'm a christian, I do not hate gay people at all (some of my friends are gay), and I am not opposed to their getting married. We're not all bible thumping retards out to wag our smug fingers at people that do wrong, in fact christians aren't even really supposed to be doing that.

Simply, my point is that maybe it's not the club, but the members, you should resent.


*soapbox ends*

Trust me. I have tried many ways of voicing this to appease people. When I blame the people, its not their fault, its the institution. When I blame the institution, it is merely twisted by the people. Apparently I have to get a world census and go name by name to appease people. But I tire of trying to appease people. When you try to appease the bad people, they just push it even further. (A certain WW2 happened cause of that)
I am not popular in this thread. The responses infuriate me. I feel like religion has wronged me and many others, and I call them out and I am the bad one? But whatever. I never felt the majority was generally right, so I wont start now. Ive already seen some people agree with my views, and thats all I need for some shred of hope.

 

[Saelune]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Edit: I wont bother responding anymore. I firmly stand by my view on this though. But I am being called a villian for hating something that hated me first for being different.

I am not wrong for hating murderers. I am not wrong for hating people who trample on freedom. I am not wrong for being for equal rights. Those all describe what religion often is.

And no, Im not a troll. A troll just wants to anger people. I merely want a better world.

what about Buddhism???

A small price to pay if it meant removing the more offensive ones like Christianity and Islam. Its one of the few that actively do good. (though I am also not so informed on that one as I am to some others)

 

[Lawnchair]

I'm gonna go with...

People that can't think of better things to do other than rant on about how people used to fail in the past.

Or the US.

 

[Nightvalien]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Edit: I wont bother responding anymore. I firmly stand by my view on this though. But I am being called a villian for hating something that hated me first for being different.

I am not wrong for hating murderers. I am not wrong for hating people who trample on freedom. I am not wrong for being for equal rights. Those all describe what religion often is.

And no, Im not a troll. A troll just wants to anger people. I merely want a better world.

i love you.

 

[Tarmon'gaidin]

Columbus calling the native americans Indians because he thought he arrived in India.

 

[shadowform]

The fact that the hormone that controls reproductive urges and muscular growth also heightens aggression. While, from an evolutionary standpoint, it does make sense that higher testosterone levels (in theory, greater muscle mass) lead to increase reproductive rates (for a species that continually grows stronger), in the long term it also - at least, as I see it - means that we are genetically disposed to become a more and more violent species as time carries on. In a way, this frightens me.

 

[EradiusLore]

RELIGION! nothing has even compared to the misery and ignorance religion has caused over millennia

 

[Dexiro]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Edit: I wont bother responding anymore. I firmly stand by my view on this though. But I am being called a villian for hating something that hated me first for being different.

I am not wrong for hating murderers. I am not wrong for hating people who trample on freedom. I am not wrong for being for equal rights. Those all describe what religion often is.

And no, Im not a troll. A troll just wants to anger people. I merely want a better world.

People can baww all they want over this viewpoint but there's a lot of truth in it. For every good thing that religion gives us you have a non-religious equivalent and one glaring negative.

Example; religion teaches people to behave, this can also be accomplished with morals, but religion also causes people to impose heavily outdated morals on our society.

 

[ecoho]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Edit: I wont bother responding anymore. I firmly stand by my view on this though. But I am being called a villian for hating something that hated me first for being different.

I am not wrong for hating murderers. I am not wrong for hating people who trample on freedom. I am not wrong for being for equal rights. Those all describe what religion often is.

And no, Im not a troll. A troll just wants to anger people. I merely want a better world.

ok i was with you till your im not wrong thing because at that point you start sounding like anyone who is religous is a murderer and tramples on freedom. that is probily why people see you as a troll.(i dont see your first comment as such but that one statment is rather trolly)
OT: once again hes right religions do tend to be epic fails not in their message or in their beleifs but more in how they are used to justify some of the worst acts in history.

 

[starwarsgeek]

Humanity's most epic fail? Not getting along with each other.

This. I really don't have anything to add...all you have to do is look through this topic and see the amount of conflict within a single online community--a place where we're supposed to be able to get along simply because it's built around a hobby we all enjoy.

 

[enclsam]

I think the biggest epic fail that humanity come to, is our modern culture. I'm pretty sure this is not how our ancestors would like to see our fate. All this media that dulls people,vulgarity,stupidity and idiots opinion that power is better than intellect.

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Edit: I wont bother responding anymore. I firmly stand by my view on this though. But I am being called a villian for hating something that hated me first for being different.

I am not wrong for hating murderers. I am not wrong for hating people who trample on freedom. I am not wrong for being for equal rights. Those all describe what religion often is.

And no, Im not a troll. A troll just wants to anger people. I merely want a better world.

Damn, you got a lot of shit for this opinion. And you know what? I can see why you have this point of view and to a certain extent I agree. The only difference is that I don't believe religion was our biggest fail, I believe letting scripture and religion run our countries was.

Back at a time when you spoke out against religion you'd only be ostracised. But after the dark ages you'd probably face capital punishment for it. And that is why I consider letting scripture run our lives as something that's far worse. Burning witches, burning gays, burning anyone with a spine, burning anyone with a disagreement, burning anyone with an opinion, the list goes on. And I find it tasteless that so much people defend these actions simply because religion 'also did good'

True morality isn't form of currency. You cannot do a few good deeds to justify the many worse ones. And furthermore, a few small good deeds shouldn't hold justification for the organization to continually do bad. In fact, this nonsense even goes on today. Just because a church gives money to charities (But probably most of it to their own churches) it does not justify their treatment of homosexuals, nor there anti - gay 'charities' and it definitely shouldn't hold leverage to justify how they spread lies about condoms in a continent with an aids problem.

And this is just the nonsense they're doing today, in an era where we have this big fucking machine that constantly creates anti - matter, have a glass that's stronger than steel, and the internet where just moments after I post this message an European will probably call me an asshole. In an age of all this we still exist in a world where religion holds a great deal of weight of how minorities are treated and how the government runs our country.

And that's why letting scripture run our lives is the worlds biggest epic fail. It's been holding us back and beating us down and it still is to this very day. It isn't a coincidence that the chains that bind us get looser when religions grip on our society does as well. There is nothing wrong with religion as long as they're off in there little corner doing whatever they want with other religious people, but there's a serious problem if it is in the hands of some self righteous king or a greedy politician. And trust me, there's always going to be a self righteous king and a bunch of greedy politicians.

Besides a country run by scripture I suppose my other epic fails are -

1. Fox News and anyone that watches it. Seriously, how can so much 'Patriotic' Americans watch something that's not even by an American? The guy that runs Fox is Australian. So if you think Fox News is there for America think again.

2. JFswift proposed Nuclear Technology, I agree. Chances are they help prevent wars (Due to no one wanting to have a nuclear bomb shoved up there ass) but I still hate them because of how much money they're wasting and all the animals they probably kill when they're being tested. Oh right, and all the innocent people they kill.

3. 50% of what Religion believes in because that fifty percent contradicts the other fifty percent.

4. Right Wing politicians on everything.

5. Left Wing politicians in spending our money.

6. Humanity in general. It's always just one disappointment after another.

 

[lokiduck]

Merchandising for really creepy and stupid things...

such as...

I actually do mean it, I say we can't really change history because every single part of it has made the world it is today, and to me the most epic fail is actually the fact that people make stupid pointless crap and people actually buy it.

 

[hamasins]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Why must you ruin a perfectly good thread with extremely personal (and small-picture) rhetoric? This is Off-Topic, save it for the Religion and Politics forum, where I can ignore it easier.

OT: Getting itself trapped in an unsupportable standard of living. Talk about lack of foresight.

ummmm..... you do realise that the Tc asked for opinions right? Saelune just voiced her opinion and I happen to agree with her. throughout history religion has been the cause of war, starvation, corruption, a halt to the progress of science, and a way to alienate groups of people.... It is by far humanity's most EPIC FAIL.

EDIT: also Twilight comes in at a close second ¬_¬ stupid sparkly vampires }...

 

[Wintermoot]

either the fact the Seltzerberg duo is still making copious amounts of money
or the sheer existence of Paris Hilton

 

[Macrobstar]

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Hold it right there pilgrim. Saying that humanity would be better off if religion never existed is one of the most ignorant thing a person can say. Why? Because religion has been around has been around longer than complex society. It has motivated countless actions both good and bad, it has affected every civilization in one way or another. Religion has been so involved in the development of human society that it is impossible to tell whether we would be better or worse off if it never existed, no one I repeat NO ONE is qualified to make such a statement.

This whole thread is ignorant then. I see what religion does on a global scale. Its mostly bad. Its mostly murder. Its mostly opressing rights of everyone. I hear constant stories of the bad of religion, with most good things caused by religion being merely fluff tales that barely gets past the local news. I get tired of being put as the villian for hating something that has caused so much pain and suffering. But I get tired of what religion does more, so I guess I have to deal with it.

Plus don't forget how religion held back scientific discovery for many years

 

[GrimHeaper]

Existence.

All shall return to the void where it belongs and began.

 

[AngryFrenchCanadian]

I was about to say nukes, but damn. This takes it all.

 

[similar.squirrel]

Honestly, for me, it's a toss-up between one of the things mentioned above, and burning down the library of Alexandria.

We actually needed World War II, without it I dread to think what war we could have had a decade later.

And I have to agree with Burning down the Library, even thinking about it makes me mad.

Religion. All of them. No single incident of death will ever do more damage than religion has. Their casualty numbers still going strong.

Spoiler

He does have a good point. Regardless of the fact that people will kill each other anyway, a massive amount of bloodshed has been committed in the name of religion. That's not trolling. It's a fact.

 

[Aulleas123]

I'd say the religious wars fought. I'm a practicing Catholic and I think top of this list are the crusades, it was a big "shame on you" moment for us. Of course there are several others as well, wars that have been fought for the "salvation of souls" through killing. These wars are worse that wars fought for nation or even economic reasons as these reasons are usually defensive when there is almost nothing defensive about the crusades or other 'holy wars.'

And I don't mean to be anti-religious, I believe that these wars could and would have been fought anyway for other reasons. It's just when people take something that inherently tells people *Not To Kill Others* and uses it as an excuse to kill, it kinda makes my blood boil. I respect religious faith (both mine and others, even the lack of faith) and it makes me pissed when leaders use that faith to fuel their dreams of conquest.