I'm actually going to support Saelune here, partially. Religion's caused a lot of shit.Saelune said:
Not saying I'm against it completely, but frankly it's probaly caused a larger kill count than any single war or disaster has.
What do you think is the greatest epic fail for humanity?
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Not saying I'm against it completely, but frankly it's probaly caused a larger kill count than any single war or disaster has.
i agree with you saelune. more blood has been spilled in the name of religion than any thing else in the history of mankind. mankinds ethnic and religious differences will always cause wars, because it is simply human nature to hate what is different.Saelune said:
also. justin beiber. epic fail right there.
Humanities most epic failure: our de-evolution to becoming more squishy and killable. cant get much worse then that...
It is also a fact that religion is one of the few reasons the middle ages didn't turn into a free-for-all bloodbath. It is also the fact that Christianity and Confucianism were both used to unite a large pool of people with different ethnical-cultural backgrounds, prevent civil wars, hell, even Islam did this. It is also a fact that the Church is responsible for a large section of charities and freedom movements (the Church is, at the moment, an advocate of gender and race equality ). Almost every religion has been teaching people to be "good", not to murder, to be respectful and etc., which was the basis for Law for a great deal of human history (and is still so today). It is also a fact that it keeps helping people today ( just see how many ex-drug addicts, alcholocs and pornstars were helped by the church).similar.squirrel said:He does have a good point. Regardless of the fact that people will kill each other anyway, a massive amount of bloodshed has been committed in the name of religion. That's not trolling. It's a fact.Traun said:We actually needed World War II, without it I dread to think what war we could have had a decade later.Cogwheel said:
And I have to agree with Burning down the Library, even thinking about it makes me mad.
Saelune said:
But he didn't know that, he doesn't care enough to do so and most likely neither do your (assumptions). Religion has been, for the most part, uniting people, and ensuring peace. But no, most of today kids on the internet saw the words "Religion = Cursade/Jihad" and started to spew misinformation left and right. Yes, due to religion bad things have happened, but this is mostly people being people, far from the worst thing in history.
Not to mention that new archeological evidance suggest that Temples may predate agriculture leading scientists to believe that the first cities may have been build on spiritual foundation
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Consider the circumstances a little more... Humanity is almost right fucked up here.mrwoo6 said:
Saelune said:
Agreed from what I can work out major Christian events (such as the crusades, Inquisitions,) have caused around 6 million deaths, that doesn?t even begin to comprehend the number of people worldwide that have died as a result of all religions. The fact that quite possibly billions of people around the world since the beginning of time have died because of bad fan fiction just pisses me of when I have people, oblivious about the violent history of their religion, preaching peace and love to me.
Im also annoyed at religion, but mainly because any wrong they do/use to gain control is always excused with "god wanted it so".
Now excuse me if im wrong here, but I have never seen in any major religion the idea that the only way to show someone their way of thinking was brute force. I can undertand preachers trying to convert people or the door to door ones- whilst I disagree with what their actually doing, at least their doing it for the right reasons. Meanwhile, the other half are brutally murdering people, slowing down development of science and the human race altogether and downright lying (The guy who went across translating the bible got death threats because it meant that people could no longer use it for their own benifit. Religion halting progress of religion itself is a failure in my books) all because apprantly their higher power who talked to some guy millennia ago said it was a great idea.
Now ive read most of this thread, and most of the people who are arguing against what saelune pointed out are mostly...well their not understanding religion is supposed to preach. "Without religion we would still be feral"? Bull. Religion back in the day served as an explination for why stuff we did'nt understand worked, and trying to figure out how it actually worked got you killed. Last time I checked, thats activly stopping progress for the sake of not holding what you belive is the correct way of looking at things (Such as how dinosaurs went extinct, or the plate movement theory) but for the sake of a fairy tale. Somebody has a gripe with what you belive in-thats always going to happen. But rather than accepting it and putting your point forward, your saying that saelune is flat out wrong.
One last interesting fact: The pope recently congratulated people who have sex without a condom, because preventing STD's which still kill today and unwanted children is far worse than having god think your an awful person for putting some rubber on. If someone can show me the text where it says "thou shall not use a condom" I will shut up about it.
Now excuse me if im wrong here, but I have never seen in any major religion the idea that the only way to show someone their way of thinking was brute force. I can undertand preachers trying to convert people or the door to door ones- whilst I disagree with what their actually doing, at least their doing it for the right reasons. Meanwhile, the other half are brutally murdering people, slowing down development of science and the human race altogether and downright lying (The guy who went across translating the bible got death threats because it meant that people could no longer use it for their own benifit. Religion halting progress of religion itself is a failure in my books) all because apprantly their higher power who talked to some guy millennia ago said it was a great idea.
Now ive read most of this thread, and most of the people who are arguing against what saelune pointed out are mostly...well their not understanding religion is supposed to preach. "Without religion we would still be feral"? Bull. Religion back in the day served as an explination for why stuff we did'nt understand worked, and trying to figure out how it actually worked got you killed. Last time I checked, thats activly stopping progress for the sake of not holding what you belive is the correct way of looking at things (Such as how dinosaurs went extinct, or the plate movement theory) but for the sake of a fairy tale. Somebody has a gripe with what you belive in-thats always going to happen. But rather than accepting it and putting your point forward, your saying that saelune is flat out wrong.
One last interesting fact: The pope recently congratulated people who have sex without a condom, because preventing STD's which still kill today and unwanted children is far worse than having god think your an awful person for putting some rubber on. If someone can show me the text where it says "thou shall not use a condom" I will shut up about it.
+1 Religion.
I still cannot believe people still believe the rubbish.
It is so so obvious that it is a human creation, just look at how this "God" acts in all religious texts.
I still cannot believe people still believe the rubbish.
It is so so obvious that it is a human creation, just look at how this "God" acts in all religious texts.
Either Justin Beiber or not chaining women to the kitchen where they should be...where's my pie?!
Well that or thinking "Duhhh we dont need free health care world wide, or to help starving people we need a bigger gun!"
Well that or thinking "Duhhh we dont need free health care world wide, or to help starving people we need a bigger gun!"
Our greatest mistake?
Taking the words of the bureaucrats more seriously than the words of the artists.
Taking the words of the bureaucrats more seriously than the words of the artists.
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It's just surprising to see anybody write that... I thought we were in a world divided between "Christians" and Atheists, Christians who throw every verse in the bible at gays or atheists and only show ignorance and hate (they are either hypocrites or morons), and athiests who believe God is rubbish simply because of the flaws of the people that worship him...
I thought someone who sees past this, someone like you, didn't exist, I was wrong thankfully.
Peace to everyone, no matter their sexual orientation or beliefs, that will be all.
