What do you think of men passing abortion laws?

[JimB]

Um...I'm not real sure what your point here is. Are you saying that legalized abortion prevents abusive relationships?

Yes. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/20316.php

I don't want to be a dick about a topic I know nothing about, but the article you link seems only tangentially related to your assertion. It certainly doesn't provide statistics on how many of those pregnant women are murdered by their significant others.

 

[Micromyni]

Um...I'm not real sure what your point here is. Are you saying that legalized abortion prevents abusive relationships?

Yes. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/20316.php

I don't want to be a dick about a topic I know nothing about, but the article you link seems only tangentially related to your assertion. It certainly doesn't provide statistics on how many of those pregnant women are murdered by their significant others.

Is personal experience enough? I have known four women whose husbands/boyfriends became abusive after they'd sabotaged their birth control and got them pregnant, my mother included. If they hadn't been able to get an abortion, they'd either be dead or still with the abusive assholes.

 

[JimB]

Is personal experience enough?

No offense intended to the women who've suffered, but...no. Sorry, it just isn't. The plural of "anecdote" is "anecdotes," not "data."

I have known four women whose husbands/boyfriends became abusive after they'd sabotaged their birth control and got them pregnant, my mother included. If they hadn't been able to get an abortion, they'd either be dead or still with the abusive assholes.

I think the biggest problem I have accepting your assertion is that I can't think of a way it could be tested or proven. What's your offer of proof that the women wouldn't have done something else, like gone to a battered women's shelter or killed their abusers? No, seriously, I'm asking.

 

[Micromyni]

Is personal experience enough?

No offense intended to the women who've suffered, but...no. Sorry, it just isn't. The plural of "anecdote" is "anecdotes," not "data."

I have known four women whose husbands/boyfriends became abusive after they'd sabotaged their birth control and got them pregnant, my mother included. If they hadn't been able to get an abortion, they'd either be dead or still with the abusive assholes.

I think the biggest problem I have accepting your assertion is that I can't think of a way it could be tested or proven. What's your offer of proof that the women wouldn't have done something else, like gone to a battered women's shelter or killed their abusers? No, seriously, I'm asking.

One had muscular dystrophy and relied heavily on her abuser for assistance, and the other three did seek help at battered women's shelter on recommendation from the people at Planned Parenthood. If not for them, they wouldn't have had the support to be able to break free or assistance in filing restraining orders.

I have no data, just personal experience and I'm not interested in hearing attempts to convince me to change my views. If you're looking for hard data then I am not the person to be asking.

 

[Twilight_guy]

Yes, men should be able to pass these laws. If we are saying that we can't pass these laws because they don't understand then it means that congress basically can't do anything.

That's a bad comparison. Other laws can be passed while knowledeable on the subject. Anti-abortion laws are passed out of ignorance, the wish to impose religion on others, and hatred. It's impossible to be knowledgeable on the subject of abortion unless one has been there oneself, undergoing rape, unexpected pregnancy, abortion, etc.

I refuse to acknowledge the idea that someone has to experience something to understand it. It precludes the ability to have true empathy, only an ignorant version of it where you feel bad but really understand, in most situations and promotes a very devises idea that separates groups based on what they have experience, the 'you will never know' sort of thing. I think that it would make the world a sad little place and luckily all evidence that I have personally is against it.

 

[Twilight_guy]

You can be pro life and pro choice.

Last time I checked, those are two opposing ideas politically. Like voting both liberal and conservative at the same time. I don't quiet understand what this means.

 

[Ledan]

I think abortion should be legal.
OT however, I think it would be ridiculously backward if we didn't allow men to pass these laws. By that I mean: It would be ridiculous if only women could pass abortion laws. The US congress could probably do with more women representatives, but if we are ever going to get past our differences then people should be able to pass laws about people.

 

[Ledan]

You can be pro life and pro choice.

Last time I checked, those are two opposing ideas politically. Like voting both liberal and conservative at the same time. I don't quiet understand what this means.

You personally wouldn't have an abortion, but you think everyone should have the option to.

 

[Hazy992]

You can be pro life and pro choice.

Last time I checked, those are two opposing ideas politically. Like voting both liberal and conservative at the same time. I don't quiet understand what this means.

That's not true, you could be against having an abortion but still support the right for others to have one. It's not contradictory

 

[JimB]

One had muscular dystrophy and relied heavily on her abuser for assistance[...]

Ooh. Ouch. Man, it takes a special kind of scum to abuse someone in her condition.

[...]and the other three did seek help at battered women's shelter on recommendation from the people at Planned Parenthood.

Really? If you know the logic Planned Parenthood offered, would you mind explaining it? If not, that's cool; it's really none of my business. I'd just like to know what the thought process was there.

I'm not interested in hearing attempts to convince me to change my views.

Fair enough: I'm not interested in trying to.

If you're looking for hard data then I am not the person to be asking.

That is what I was looking for.