What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?
Yahtzee goes down the list of possible antagonists for upcoming games.
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Yahtzee goes down the list of possible antagonists for upcoming games.
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What Ethnic Group Will Replace Nazis?
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At least there'd be no forum backlash.Draconalis said:
I'm sure their dating sites [http://amish-online-dating.com/] would be abuzz with anger, though.
The Mongols were actually pretty cool. They conquered bloodily and horribly, but in their empire shit was awesome. There was absolute religious freedom and it was a very secure place. It was said that a man could walk from one end of the empire to the other with a plate of gold on his head and never risk being robbed.
That security was a enormous boost for land-based trading routes, which lead to great economic growth for everyone, etc.
TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.
That security was a enormous boost for land-based trading routes, which lead to great economic growth for everyone, etc.
TL;DR Mongols hardly that bad, certainly not on par with the Nazis.
1 Million Moms. Then again, there are only around twelve members of that group, so it'd be a really short game.
Nazis aren't an ethnic group they're a political group :V
Also all Danes are Viking warriors still and we routinely raid Britain, we're just stealthy now. Thank Odin for the cardboard box.
Also all Danes are Viking warriors still and we routinely raid Britain, we're just stealthy now. Thank Odin for the cardboard box.
If I don't get to force at least one Welsh person to make sheep noises at gunpoint, then I'm calling bullshit.Bato said:
Pretty much what I was thinking tooTheYeIIowDucK said:
Which is why I'm sad you didn't link it too. You must shill and share things you like, its modern day marketing.
Ooh! Marketers! I'm sure most people wouldn't be bothered by vilifying them. What if the real power behind the world was marketing?!
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Oh, that shouldn't be a problem. Rainbow Six Vegas got away with a terrorist cell having enough trained and armed commandos to take on the entire Las Vegas Police Department and a good chuck of the National Guard as a diversion for their real plan of brute-force assaulting a secret base.rollerfox88 said:
And I'm of the opinion we should have more games where you play as the PMC. It makes for a nice, morally dubious protagonist, give you some possible moral choices, you can depict any conflict without making it seem you're glorifying one nation (i.e. the US) while demonizing the other (i.e. Russian), and most importantly for a game, you'd have some actual justification as to why you're going in with a small team or are unlocking more weapons as the game progresses. You need to make money on these missions. And we're done with Yathzee's problem with Modern Shooter that you're playing as a member of the all-powerful US army with hideous amounts of military hardware at its disposal, and yet you're constantly portrayed as the underdog before a huge swarm of russians or generic middle eastern baddies. I mean, the latter could be credible threats if we had to simulate making patrols day after day with no enemy in sight until they attack with IEDs, but that'd make for a pretty unpleasant game to play.
Actually, politics can be part of ethnicity. Common culture, language, religion (and with it also ideologies) and common descent can all contribute to the establishment of an ethnicity.Istvan said:
Especially if the political beliefs lead to them seperating themselves from people with other idealogies. If they can keep that up for more than a generation and sustain it they are an ethnicity.
The English seem a good target. Maybe in Argentina they are the antagonist already in some games? Or some big reenactment of Hastings in 2066. Although they have been the big bad guys before: The Patriot, so that might get a bit old too. And I wonder what Assassin's Creed 3 is up to in that department.
Unfortunately, ancient people can't get mowed down by machine gun fire. Unless the game in question happens to be about a time machine of sorts.
Why not simply set it in the future and have the enemy be France or Poland? Afterall, a nation's morals can greatly change across the ages, so we can use that as an excuse.
Why not simply set it in the future and have the enemy be France or Poland? Afterall, a nation's morals can greatly change across the ages, so we can use that as an excuse.
Simple, the French.
Honestly I've gotten tired of killing Nazis because in the end I like the Germans, well the generations since then at least. But as for the French, I don't think there's been a time in the world anyone has ever liked them. They can be more smug than the English, more harsh than the Germans, and bigger assholes than the Americans. I really think they can be the perfect villains, and a delight to murder in the masses. But then again there's that whole surrendering thing they're known for, with that I say have it take place in Napoleonic Era when they supposedly had a lot more balls and it'll be perfect...^^
Honestly I've gotten tired of killing Nazis because in the end I like the Germans, well the generations since then at least. But as for the French, I don't think there's been a time in the world anyone has ever liked them. They can be more smug than the English, more harsh than the Germans, and bigger assholes than the Americans. I really think they can be the perfect villains, and a delight to murder in the masses. But then again there's that whole surrendering thing they're known for, with that I say have it take place in Napoleonic Era when they supposedly had a lot more balls and it'll be perfect...^^
I guess the reason why Baltic people are never any antagonistic group is that we're fricken' hard to kill. I mean, just look at Latvia which has been invaded a multum times the past 900-ish years and yet we still exist, along with Estonians and Lithuanians (spelling blargh)like some kind of unremovable stain.
Also, were great pals with at least Swedish vikings.
The French would be perfect as an antagonistic group in games, no one would ever see it coming.
Also, were great pals with at least Swedish vikings.
The French would be perfect as an antagonistic group in games, no one would ever see it coming.
That's it in a nutshell. Despite the numerous genocides of the twentieth century (Cambodia, anyone?), the Nazis remain the archetype of the Really Bad in Western Culture. Pirates were a pretty nasty bunch, for example. But a few hundred years later, we think of them as fun loving Johnny Depp types, whose worst personal traits are a fondness for alcohol and a disdain for bathing. Yaarrr! The Spanish Inquisition is just the butt of an overquoted sketch. Even Ghengis Khan, who'd massacre entire villages on a regular basis, is a national icon in Mongolia (far from "faintly embarassing" modern Mongols, as Yahtzee asserts).DVS BSTrD said:
There really aren't any good analogies to Nazis these days. Terrorists? Yeah, and they get used by Hollywood a lot, but they just don't present the whole Evil Empire thing like the snappily dressing Nazis did. Other super nasty folks just don't resonate with Westerners for whatever reason. Idi Amin and Pol Pot were just as evil as Hitler, but it's doubtful they'd ever make an appearence in a videogame. Perhaps they just didn't threaten the West enough, or perhaps it's that they didn't get their proper comeuppance like Hitler did, which makes for a lack of "feel goodness".
Of course, in the end, it's about a certain narrative laziness. As good fantasy and SF shows, you can have utterly awful fictional enemies that the audience is happy to boo. But that requires the writers to spend time showing why these nasties are so nasty. You can't just throw an SS uniform on them and call it done (unless your name is George Lucas, I suppose)