Asking what's wrong with people is like asking why turkeys stare at the sky mouth open when it rains, because seeing how we can't rely on good ole god to wipe out humanity, we need to slowly but surely do it ourselves.
no, no your fine, I'm just presenting a logical standpoint on it all. I see what your talking about, and it makes sense. What I mean is when you strip away all rules even religious beliefs as well, it comes down to survival. We are one of the very few species that has the ability to reason which makes our species extremely strong and in some ways dangerous. That's why we are so dominate. God gave us this, at a cost, sin i guess; we get to make choices.Thaius said:See though, that's assuming an atheistic point of view: in that case, you are right. If, on the other hand, there is in fact a god who created the universe, then whatever he defines as right and wrong is, in fact, right and wrong. He would have created the world with a certain natural order, both in scientific and social ways, and straying from those ways would be considered, by definition of the one who created us and everything else, wrong, and thus wrong within the context of the universe in which we live.Burningsok said:just touching on the aspect of humans being good, we actually are neither. if you strip away the laws and rules us humans have created then there is no right or wrong, it comes down to instinct and survival. Only the smartest and or strongest survive.Thaius said:It depends on your worldview, really. From an atheistic perspective... I don't know, just that some people are stupid or something I guess. From a religious one (monotheistic, at least), humankind is flawed, and you are seeing examples of sin nature. I personally think that one makes more sense, so I'l go for saying that humankind is inherently good, but fundamentally flawed, and those who don't know or don't care do stupid crap like this for whatever their messed up reasons are. There are many different reasons, but ultimately it comes down to a flawed sense of morality and purpose.
My two cents, anyway.
Not trying to disprove you with religious ideas, just presenting the difference that makes the idea of good and evil viable within the context of a religious worldview.
Dorian6 said:Sir John The Net Knight said:The only conceivable possibility to the actual truth of fears regarding 2012 is if the hippies running the world do something so inconceivably stupid that it destroys the planet.
Oh, wait...
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and how exactly is the Large Hadron Collider stupid and going to destroy the world?[/quote]
Um, it's going to 'splode, doooooooooooyyy!
Gosh, stupid people sometimes...
OT: What exactly do you mean? A stupid kid in my class once ate a gummy bear that was stuck to another kids shoe.
It will not suck the earth into a black hole. Saying it will is wrong on multiple layers, like an onion. It is fractally wrong, wrong at every conceivable level.Starke said:Well, it's already destroyed the frames on this page. Imagine how much more power it will have after it is allowed to expand even further.Dorian6 said:and how exactly is the Large Hadron Collider stupid and going to destroy the world?Sir John The Net Knight said:The only conceivable possibility to the actual truth of fears regarding 2012 is if the hippies running the world do something so inconceivably stupid that it destroys the planet.
Oh, wait...
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There was something about ripping a hole into subspace and consuming the world or something, I'll admit, I didn't pay it much heed.
Well... that makes things easy. Usually posting religious ideas on this site just gets people mad at me. Talking to a fellow Christian reduces that possibility, lol.Burningsok said:no, no your fine, I'm just presenting a logical standpoint on it all. I see what your talking about, and it makes sense. What I mean is when you strip away all rules even religious beliefs as well, it comes down to survival. We are one of the very few species that has the ability to reason which makes our species extremely strong and in some ways dangerous. That's why we are so dominate. God gave us this, at a cost, sin i guess; we get to make choices.Thaius said:See though, that's assuming an atheistic point of view: in that case, you are right. If, on the other hand, there is in fact a god who created the universe, then whatever he defines as right and wrong is, in fact, right and wrong. He would have created the world with a certain natural order, both in scientific and social ways, and straying from those ways would be considered, by definition of the one who created us and everything else, wrong, and thus wrong within the context of the universe in which we live.Burningsok said:just touching on the aspect of humans being good, we actually are neither. if you strip away the laws and rules us humans have created then there is no right or wrong, it comes down to instinct and survival. Only the smartest and or strongest survive.Thaius said:It depends on your worldview, really. From an atheistic perspective... I don't know, just that some people are stupid or something I guess. From a religious one (monotheistic, at least), humankind is flawed, and you are seeing examples of sin nature. I personally think that one makes more sense, so I'l go for saying that humankind is inherently good, but fundamentally flawed, and those who don't know or don't care do stupid crap like this for whatever their messed up reasons are. There are many different reasons, but ultimately it comes down to a flawed sense of morality and purpose.
My two cents, anyway.
Not trying to disprove you with religious ideas, just presenting the difference that makes the idea of good and evil viable within the context of a religious worldview.
btw I'm a christian... no need for any apologiesI can see why you would assume.
What?! don't hide them! I wanna see if they're better then my plans!TyrantGanado said:People today are the same as people 1000 years ago. Violent and dangerous. The only thing about today is that as a society we've broken down so many taboos that more and more things are "acceptable." That and we have a society infested with idiots who love nothing more than consuming intoxicating substances and going on stab-happy rampages. And people look at me funny when I say I'd get rid of them all.
*hides plans for genocide of the useless*
Sir John The Net Knight said:Dorian6 said:Sir John The Net Knight said:The only conceivable possibility to the actual truth of fears regarding 2012 is if the hippies running the world do something so inconceivably stupid that it destroys the planet.
Oh, wait...
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and how exactly is the Large Hadron Collider stupid and going to destroy the world?[/quote]
Strange... You know what it is, but you don't know that there's a chance that it can make black holes. Uh, just so you know...Black holes are bad. Like [S]crossing the streams bad[/S] crossing a million streams at once, bad.[/quote]
Do [i]you[/i] realize that any black holes the LHC could have possibly made would so utterly miniscule, they wouldn't have been able to actually do so much as damage the machine itself, let alone destroy the bloody planet?
Oh, and let's not forget that the black hole would have also more than likely have dissolved almost instantly!
Honestly, the sheer amount of people that don't even bother researching something before they begin to rail on it is fucking [i]astounding...[/i]
*looks around, discreetly shows plans*Soulgaunt said:What?! don't hide them! I wanna see if they're better then my plans!TyrantGanado said:People today are the same as people 1000 years ago. Violent and dangerous. The only thing about today is that as a society we've broken down so many taboos that more and more things are "acceptable." That and we have a society infested with idiots who love nothing more than consuming intoxicating substances and going on stab-happy rampages. And people look at me funny when I say I'd get rid of them all.
*hides plans for genocide of the useless*
OT: People being people, without the consequence of such.
Wouldn't it be counter-productive? Maybe in a general feel, but in its untentions, it would be productive.......Also, I think mutant dolphins aided by flooding would work......TyrantGanado said:*looks around, discreetly shows plans*Soulgaunt said:What?! don't hide them! I wanna see if they're better then my plans!TyrantGanado said:People today are the same as people 1000 years ago. Violent and dangerous. The only thing about today is that as a society we've broken down so many taboos that more and more things are "acceptable." That and we have a society infested with idiots who love nothing more than consuming intoxicating substances and going on stab-happy rampages. And people look at me funny when I say I'd get rid of them all.
*hides plans for genocide of the useless*
OT: People being people, without the consequence of such.
I look forward to a...productive relationship.
And no, not in that sense.