What franchise has gone down hill the most?

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Question... Fable went downhill... which one was the good one?
I mean Fable was over-promised and the finished product wasn't all that good. Fable 2 was slightly better. Fable 3 was ever so slightly better but still not good yet. Fable: Journeys (or whatever it's called) isn't out and ready to be judged yet...

That answer lost me a little.
IMO, Fable 1 had a lot of POTENTIAL to be good. That potential was completely squandered by the follow-ups as they just stuck to the exact same formula with small tweaks and fuck-all innovation.
 

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In order:
1. World of Warcraft - "You know this fight from BC, and that fight from Vanilla? Yeah, take this from BC and that from Vanilla, and you got this boss. Okay, let's fight!"

2. Call of Duty - "Black Op$" and That CoD Pay-to-get-stuff-you-got-on-other-games-for-free service that Kotick forced them to make.

3. Sonic the Hedgehog - Well, I can't think of anything witty to say here.
 

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Hm, surprised Laura Croft hasn't been mentioned.

While the upcoming reboot has me interested, according to a lot of fans the series is absolutely horrible when comparing newer games to the older titles.
I was about to mention Sonic but Yes tomb raider has been annoying since day one so actually I'm still going to go with sonic, since Tomb raider has always been a bif naff and it continued at a steady pace where it's more gotten boring rather than having gotten worse.
 

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Dexiro said:
You're wrong. There's another 50% of the fanbase out there that think FF7 was a steaming pile of crap and 8, 9 and 10 were awesome. I have no problem with your opinion, but please don't state your opinion as fact ~
Are you so sure of that 50%, or are you stating your opinion as fact? I agree that there are a lot of people who really like VIII and IX, but I've never ever ever heard anyone say that X was better than VII, unless X was the only one they've played. I mean, there are people who don't like VII, but it definitely owns the plurality by a wide margin. I've heard plenty of people say that X and X-2 are the worst though... right until XIII.
Tons of people I know both in real life and online think that X was better than VII, hell I thought X was better than VII. Not that I can't see value in FF7 it's just dated like nothing else, I feel I'd have some difficulty finding many people that liked FF7 without playing it near it's release.

X-2 on the other hand... I've heard a strange mix of opinions, it seems similar to FF12 in that it has some interesting gameplay but it's otherwise a bit messed up. Though I haven't played X-2 or 12 so I can't say for sure.
 

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The Gothic series. Some of the best rpgs ever made imho. Gothic 1? Amazing, what got me into rpgs, 2? amazing, 3? good enough to be called gothic, not as good as 1 and 2 though. 4? What? know that doesn't exist. Arcania? that's not Gothic. No...no it isn't I'm not listening lalalala.

Fable has also really fallen in quality. I agree with the guy that said that.
 

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Spartan1362 said:
Pokemon.

I get the feeling that it's just because I'm not a kid anymore and no longer to accept new ones, but 600+? Go away.
Gameplay wise Pokemon has had sort of a wobbly uphill curve, but they're definitely getting better. The amount of Pokemon is getting excessive though, they're gonna get to a point where the sprite artists are just gonna throw in the towel.
Have you seen the last one?
It looks like a VCR, they are practically turning into transformers.

It's absolute madness, SPARTA even. I don't get how they can keep working the new Pokemon into the cannon as well though, in the world at 1 point there was 151 pokemon, then suddenly they discovered a new land (despite all their modernish technology) with people who all share the same culture and language, but with different Pokemon which then spread to the original land without causing too much trouble.
Then that raises the question, if that's that flawed, what were the reasons behind the 350+ more?

It sense no makes.
 

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Command & Conquer

Its last installment literally seem to have been so universally reviled that it has killed the franchise off pretty much single-handedly. And for good reason too.
 

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Spartan1362 said:
Dexiro said:
Spartan1362 said:
Pokemon.

I get the feeling that it's just because I'm not a kid anymore and no longer to accept new ones, but 600+? Go away.
Gameplay wise Pokemon has had sort of a wobbly uphill curve, but they're definitely getting better. The amount of Pokemon is getting excessive though, they're gonna get to a point where the sprite artists are just gonna throw in the towel.
Have you seen the last one?
It looks like a VCR, they are practically turning into transformers.

It's absolute madness, SPARTA even. I don't get how they can keep working the new Pokemon into the cannon as well though, in the world at 1 point there was 151 pokemon, then suddenly they discovered a new land (despite all their modernish technology) with people who all share the same culture and language, but with different Pokemon which then spread to the original land without causing too much trouble.
Then that raises the question, if that's that flawed, what were the reasons behind the 350+ more?

It sense no makes.
I personally think the new Pokemon designs are really good. At first they look absolutely terrible, but then you think that the Pokemon in a more industrialised area would take on more industrial themes and such. With that perspective the modern-themed pokemon don't look so bad, and you can quell your rage long enough to see some of the other designs are actually pretty damn cool.

And gameplay-wise the newest games made the largest amount of improvements so far.
 

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Spyro the Dragon. It went from the greatest trilogy ever made to a dead horse being raped by devs and publishers alike in a single generation.
 

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Dexiro said:
Spartan1362 said:
Have you seen the last one?
It looks like a VCR, they are practically turning into transformers.

It's absolute madness, SPARTA even. I don't get how they can keep working the new Pokemon into the cannon as well though, in the world at 1 point there was 151 pokemon, then suddenly they discovered a new land (despite all their modernish technology) with people who all share the same culture and language, but with different Pokemon which then spread to the original land without causing too much trouble.
Then that raises the question, if that's that flawed, what were the reasons behind the 350+ more?

It sense no makes.
I personally think the new Pokemon designs are really good. At first they look absolutely terrible, but then you think that the Pokemon in a more industrialised area would take on more industrial themes and such. With that perspective the modern-themed pokemon don't look so bad, and you can quell your rage long enough to see some of the other designs are actually pretty damn cool.

And gameplay-wise the newest games made the largest amount of improvements so far.
Even if they do look cool, it doesn't make any sense cannon wise.
And I think Pokemon should be more biological then mechanical (I personally think that's lame and transformer-like, which is fine if thats what you originally set out to do, but Pokemon didn't).
 

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Fable

the Saw game series. and, maybe the movies

Tomb Raider

Metal Gear

Very reluctantly, Silent Hill. (1, 2, 3 and 4 were brilliant, 0rigins was terrible, Homecoming was pretty good, but not as good as the first four, and Shattered Memories was almost as bad as 0rigins.)
 

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Dragon Age.

Origins was amazing, Awakening wasn't quite as good, but very nearly... And then came the warm, steaming pile of fail that is Dragon Age 2.
Origins was a broken game. Frequent crashes, load times of over a minute because of a memory leak, etc. Dragon Age II has a couple of new flaws but fixes most of the old ones. Origins had a very cliché storyline, shallow characters and lack of interesting art design. Dragon Age II took its storytelling seriously. It's definitely a flawed and rushed game but in my opinion, and I know I'm in the minority, Dragon Age II is a huge improvement over Origins. /Prepares flame shield
 

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Crash Bandicoot! Goddam everything after The Wrath of Cortex can suck my scrotum. I miss good Crash games. I remember how awesome CTR was.
 

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Spectrum_Prez said:
Wow, these are all pretty poor answers compared to the correct one: Command and Conquer.
Hell yes. They (EA) completely and utterly killed that series when they brought out the fourth game.
 

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Zeh Don said:
Sonic The Hedgehog. This guy used to go toe to toe with Mario. MARIO. SEGA used to have it's own consoles, and actually had Nintendo on the ropes at one point. Now we have Sonic on every console imaginable, and his games hit the discount bins a week after launch. He's fallen so very, very, very, very far.
I'm curious to know exactly when Sega had Nintendo on the ropes?The NES,Gameboy,SNES,N64 and Gamecube all outsold their Sega competitors.
 

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The winner is obviously Command and Conquer.
The C&C series was once the best RTS had to offer, then EA took over, got rid of westwood, and killed command and conquer.
Red Alert 3 and Command and Conquer 4 are TERRIBLE.

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