what happened to doctors?

[thiosk]

We've already got medicare and medicaid in america, coupled with social security, those systems are why we're broke. Face it: you don't get to pay the world to be the world's cop and still give your citizens good healthcare.

The doctor's are generally fine. But our system is wrecked, and Obama din't help.

 

[SyphonX]

I hate how people think a NHS would work in America. It's too big, and too corrupt. America's health care system is doomed to fail, no matter what changes. It's that bad.

Everyone praised Obama for bringing us "better health care" etc., but all his administration did was force every American to pay for insurance (from the day they're born basically) from the very companies we all hate so much. A life tax, basically.

It's going to suck. I don't think people realize how much it's going to suck. Not that it doesn't suck right now, but it's going to suck even more. Everything about this country sucks for the past decade. Rotten to the core, and impossible to change. The goons and sociopaths are too entrenched in the middle for anything to change without serious violence or insanity, they just won't let it happen. There's a reason why America's police have become more and more militarized, and it's not for 'crime' or 'terrorism'. It's for everyone.

We either deal with everything they do, and accept it, or we deal with the 21st century gestapo and stormtroopers. They will bust down your door, hold you at gunpoint, scare your entire family, and shoot your dog if they think you have pot somewhere in the house. No, it's not funny, it's pretty serious these days. They're getting increasingly more brash and violent, and I read stories like this every single day and it burns my soul.

 

[PureChaos]

that's why its good having the NHS, sure you'll probably die waiting to be seen but at least we don't have problems with insurance or affording it

 

[Bob Hoss]

What people don't seem to realize about the medical world is... well, everything.

There have always been corrupt doctors, greedy physicians, witch-doctors who twist truths and extort people. But you have to realize that most med. professionals are, in fact, doing their best.

At many times, it's illegal to operate under one stupid loophole or another.
Insurance is very necessary for a doctor to operate in MANY cases, and while the American system seems shitty and full of loopholes, it actually functions a lot better than in most countries. Other countries have people dying from waiting to get a check-up. We have people from all over the world flying to the U.S. for high-quality surgeries every day, which few other countries can boast, because our tech and doctors are smart, skilled, highly advanced, and sadly very expensive.

We should be grateful we have insurance at all. Back in the days before the FDA, your Doctor could swindle you by getting you addicted to cocaine or heroin, and the only sufferer would be you and your family. no insurance to back you up, few courts would look at the case.

Health care may not be perfect, and, yeah, there are always horror stories, but its much worse WORKING under a medical degree than dealing with the healthcare system's red tape.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

This is why i don't live in the US

Also, morgellons

 

[Evidencebased]

Y'all seem to forget a national healthcare system would infringe on a persons God given right to individualism. That's why the USA doesn't tax its citizens and has no welfare system.

Well the system you have at the moment seems to infringe on a far more important 'right'.

You know, the right not to die because you don't have insurance.

I was being sarcastic. Also, I'm not American. Of course I'm against insurance based healthcare systems, what person in their right mind wouldn't be? If you're willing to pay money in order to have roads there is absolutely no reason why you wouldn't be willing to pay money to have universal healthcare.

Ha ha, funny story, turns out we Americans are goddamn idiots. We don't even want to pay money for fire insurance ishityounot:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39516346/ns/us_news-life/t/no-pay-no-spray-firefighters-let-home-burn/#.Tm-r89RvAZI

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2026900,00.html

People too cheap to pay their insurance (twice -- the guy apparently had a fire the previous year which was put out for free), their pets and house burn to the ground, and it's a victory for American libertarianism/conservatism. USA USA!

 

[Evidencebased]

I hate how people think a NHS would work in America. It's too big, and too corrupt. America's health care system is doomed to fail, no matter what changes. It's that bad.

Everyone praised Obama for bringing us "better health care" etc., but all his administration did was force every American to pay for insurance (from the day they're born basically) from the very companies we all hate so much. A life tax, basically.

It's going to suck. I don't think people realize how much it's going to suck. Not that it doesn't suck right now, but it's going to suck even more. Everything about this country sucks for the past decade. Rotten to the core, and impossible to change. The goons and sociopaths are too entrenched in the middle for anything to change without serious violence or insanity, they just won't let it happen. There's a reason why America's police have become more and more militarized, and it's not for 'crime' or 'terrorism'. It's for everyone.

We either deal with everything they do, and accept it, or we deal with the 21st century gestapo and stormtroopers. They will bust down your door, hold you at gunpoint, scare your entire family, and shoot your dog if they think you have pot somewhere in the house. No, it's not funny, it's pretty serious these days. They're getting increasingly more brash and violent, and I read stories like this every single day and it burns my soul.

Yeah, stupid Obama! Because of his damn healthcare changes, my 24-year-old friend -- who suffers from random blood clots and a seizure disorder, which both require chronic medication for the rest of her life -- had to spend her last two years of job hunting fully covered by her parents' insurance instead of having to pay for everything out of pocket!

...wait, no, that's actually awesome.

(Agreed about the War On black people uh poor people uh Drugs crap though. Shooting a dog is fun and all, but my favorite random SWAT team raid is the one where, when the police busted in, a 7-year-old girl was accidentally shot multiple times by stray rounds while she napped on the couch and bled to death inches from her handcuffed and helpless father. As I recall, the police had the wrong house... Good times!)

 

[RaikuFA]

nor should it give you the right to say "i wont take care of you unless we can accept your insurance. and i wont tell you what insurance we take. trust me, you cant afford it."

I'm just going to touch on this for a moment.

Why not?

Doctors are people too, and they have to make a living. I can guarantee that right now, there are people dying who could be living if you were devoting all of your time to helping them instead of yourself. You could be in Africa helping poor villagers develop sustainable farms, or even just spending all of your time down at the soup kitchen feeding the homeless.

We have phrases like "saintly" because most people are, by nature, interested primarily in their own survival and happiness. Once you are happy and secure, then (if you're a good person), you can look to the happiness and security of strangers. Why assume that just because someone trained as a doctor, they're required to not be happy or secure?

The problem isn't with the doctors, it's with the incredibly broken system in the United States. The American health care system has the dubious distinction of being taxpayer-intensive and totally worthless at the same time. (I'm in Canada, which is significantly better but still has room for improvement).

youre telling me that its ok that a doctor can refuse to save a guy with a pipe in his lung because he has medicaid yet can accept a guy with a twisted ankle because they have blue cross?

thats kinda what i got from it so i might be wrong

 

[ccggenius12]

I'm confused, I thought if you went to the ER, they were legally obligated to get you stabilized before they could kick you out for not having insurance... did Obama change that? I know this particular loophole was why many Hospitals were going out of business near in the southwest. Illegals have no insurance, but a legal obligation required treatment. The hospitals had to foot the bill for injuries, anchor babies, etc.
With that in mind, I suppose I'd prefer the hospital that exists for those who can afford it to the one that doesn't exist because of a free-rider clause.

 

[RaikuFA]

I'm confused, I thought if you went to the ER, they were legally obligated to get you stabilized before they could kick you out for not having insurance... did Obama change that? I know this particular loophole was why many Hospitals were going out of business near in the southwest. Illegals have no insurance, but a legal obligation required treatment. The hospitals had to foot the bill for injuries, anchor babies, etc.
With that in mind, I suppose I'd prefer the hospital that exists for those who can afford it to the one that doesn't exist because of a free-rider clause.

actually the thing with my mom happened during the bush administration

 

[jetriot]

Actually he could go to the ER and be taken care of, it is illegal to turn him away. That said health care is very broken. People in other countries may claim to have it better but their systems are also collapsing around them as the Western Civs meet the realities of spending more than they can afford to win votes.

Capitalism could save Americas health care system if it was simply allowed to work. As it is, we have so many lawsuits, regulation and insurance scams that the medical system has costs that are simply outrageous. Whats more, those costs are translated through our market to the European markets in many cases, contributing in part to their own health care system collapses.

It is a complex issue and there are many ways to approach the problem, in all countries. However, the solutions do not include having the government pay for it or setting price caps. If our government even began seriously considering those options that results would be catastrophic.

 

[Wintermoot]

Derek Styles is from TCUK.
it,s because the medicare in the US is inherently broken, in Holland they accept you in a hospital as long as you are insured (which is required by law) it doesn't matter which hospital you go to as long as you are insured.

 

[Raven_Operative]

*reads thread while munching on poutine*
Atleast Canada doesn't have these problems. We have universal healthcare.

 

[Booradlee]

Okay this is a really important subject, and I hope I say this right, I wasn't able to find my old sources for this, so I'd recommend double checking what I say before accepting it.

So far I hear a lot of complaining about greedy doctors and hospitals.
People Mention that there's a problem with their insurance, but it's the Doctors fault.
More and more people need doctors, but there are less and less doctors around. Especially in more rural areas.

Yet many doctors are struggling to make ends meat, just like the rest of us.

I have heard (source not found) that doctors spend over 50% of their paychecks on malpractice insurance. This is a doctor who spent years going to medical school and he's giving half of his paycheck to lawyers and accountants.

The worst part to me is how America has the system set up. America has some laws to prevent monopolies, the idea is great, but the more I learn about the application is terrible.

So right now instead of having 1 big insurance monopoly, we have several. Each insurance company running their own section of the U.S.. All hospitals paying what their local Insurance says.

Some small practice doctors in rural areas can't afford to simply fill out (or hire another secretary to fill out) all the paperwork. Despite having training, and/or experience unable to actually help people because of it.

What I had against the new health care was that it Kept the Insurance system (despite initial promises) was that it kept the insurance the way it is right now.

What we need is More competition, More Doctors to help people in more areas in more ways. and More insurance companies competing, lowering the prices of insurance so that the Doctors Can afford to help us.

I trust a wealthy small town doctor to help me more than I trust a helpful politician.

In my opinion anyway.

 

[Takolin]

I was being sarcastic. Also, I'm not American. Of course I'm against insurance based healthcare systems, what person in their right mind wouldn't be?

All healthcare systems are insurance based in one way or another. Either you get most of your healthcare via an insurance or you get a universal one and you pay that with taxes and what not.

 

[xXGeckoXx]

Well, perhaps you should change your awful health care?
A healthy Swede sends his regards.

Of all the people the Scandinavians have the greatest right to say this (none scandinavian here). Just look how well their countries work. I put it down to great education and an acceptance of the good parts of socialism.

 

[Hero in a half shell]

YOU'RE ALL GOD DAMN COMMUNISTS.

COMMUNISM FAILS BECAUSE IT FAILS.

Thank you for your restrained and elegant response to this debate. I can't believe my political and social views have been so wrong all these years, but your refined discussion points and natural charisma have won me over fully.

You are truly a shining beacon of hope in this dreary world, and I was so very blind, to believe that socialising certain welfare functions to let them be accessible to all and to safeguard them from corporations and businesses unfairly resticting access to neccessary services, was a stupid and foolish thing, because as you so eloquently put it "Communism fails because it fails."

Now if you'll excuse me, I must go and polish my gold statue of Lenin, and throw some coal at the proletariat.

 

[LikeDustInTheWind]

Y'all seem to forget a national healthcare system would infringe on a persons God given right to individualism. That's why the USA doesn't tax its citizens and has no welfare system.

I'm pretty sure this is sarcasm but on the off chance it isn't, that's retarded.

 

[Mr.Squishy]

Well, perhaps you should change your awful health care?
A healthy Swede sends his regards.

Same, though I'm his neighbour to the west. That's where Norway is located.
Point still stands though.

 

[band43seat]

dont we canadians love the fact we dont have to go through insurence to get a doctor, maybe americans should stop bitching about free healthcare in parliment