What I like about Dragon's Crown Artwork

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Altorin

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Zeldias said:
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It's meant to take the Frank Frazetta art style, pump it to 11 and then take a satirical look at what comes out of it.

So popping a gasket over it is a bit silly. I certainly don't take it seriously, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have anything to say.
As someone else said, that'd work if it wasn't actually representing something that's being normalized in gaming already. Shine-spattering Liefeldian poses and platemail bikinis are jokes from the early 90s and the spirit and tradition continued on. It'd be saying a lot more if the art WASN'T catering the way it is.

If that's meant to be the take, then Kamitani is currently shitting on top of a mountain of shit. It's not really a challenging take; Bayonetta does that better than DC currently does, IMO.
Bayonetta doesn't really invoke Frank Frazetta in the same way at all.

Dragon's Crown looks almost as if it were painted by Frank himself, albeit with some anime influences and of course with every aspect of it pumped up to the extreme

It's meant to be over the top though, so criticisms about it being over the top are a little silly, that's all I was really saying
 

Zeldias

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Ah, sorry, I didn't respond well.

I didn't mean Frazetta in particular, but the hypersexualization (which is why I brought up Bayonetta; that game plays to its hypersexualization as opposed to Dragon's Crown, which doesn't seem to acknowledge it (though I'd argue that Bayonetta, too, conveys sexist things, just different sexisms expressed differently)). I just meant to say that while it's meant to be over the top, and I can appreciate that, I don't think that guards it from being critiqued as sexist. There are plenty of ways of being over the top that don't involve that whole spine-shattering pose thing I mentioned. I'd agree with you if the conversation was that the Dwarf looks ridiculous, because he does have an absurd super-body, but as you said, that seems to be the point of the aesthetic.

I just don't think the Amazon and Sorceress have that same defense.
 

lacktheknack

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geizr said:
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geizr said:
lacktheknack said:
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Again, that poor woman's spine is utterly destroyed in the marketing, because no realistic characters can physically stand like that.
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I'm probably going to get moderated for this, but, when you get some free time, google Chelsea Charms. Just as a note, they're rumored to be 30-31 pounds each.
A brief overview found no pictures of her holding her torso in a J-shape.

And this is because, sixty pounds of extra or no, human bodies cannot bend like that.
It was more to point out that such ridiculous sizes do exist. However, as for human beings bending certain ways, you may try looking up professional/circus contortionists. They really do bend in seemingly impossible ways (of course, they've trained up to that, usually from a very young age).

EDIT: minor grammar correction.
Yes, such sizes exist... after many, many, many, many implants, and I doubt Chelsea Charms is anywhere as physically adept as the Sorceress.

And also, I've seen contortionists. I know that body-twisting exists.

However, their appeal lies mostly in "Watch me squeeze into a 2x2x1 foot box!" and less in the "LOOK AT MAH BEWBZ". Typically, this is because contortionists have smaller breasts, because A. they have marginal body fat, and B. having large breasts makes going through a hand-mirror frame really hard. Plus, as mentioned, 60 pounds added to a contortionist's torso does not help a damn thing.

The Sorceress's appeal does not lie in "watch me squeeze into tight spaces!", her appeal is "LOOK AT MAH BEWBZ". And, as I said, once someone has contorted like that for "sexual appeal", you've gone too far.
 

ShinyCharizard

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I don't give the slightest of fucks if the art style is sexist to some people and I laugh at the people that find it offensive. The game looks fun so I'll be getting it.
 

FrankatronX

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Fistful of Ebola.

You make a good point. Can't believe I missed the mermaid thing *blush*.

Thanks for the thorough input I appreciate people getting into this.