[quote/]Bullsh8t on what? The idea that women should have the maturity to not get upset over cartoon women?[/quote]
most female chrachters women like are above averge in terms of attractiveness, check out batgirls new suit, not sexualised, shes still attractive. We don't get jealous over fictional charachters, that is wuite franly sexist...
wetnap said:
[quote/]Its true because otherwise there is no problem. People who are driven to create and consume regardless of popularity create their own market.[/quote]
"there is no problem" because you havent considered how mainstream entertaintment might seem to anyone who isn't you, and anyone who does question your comics/games you can put neatly into the "feminist" box
[quote/]Doesn't matter because men created the continuation into adult comics based on their own interests. Even when they were made for children, there was no huge readership of things like superman for girls. It just didn't happen. Girls had their nancy drew books at the rest. If anything it shows the divergence, chick detective shows are all the rage for female audiences, who make up the majority of tv viewership today. Its why so many older female lead shows exist now. This again, is just another example of how the genders have different interests.[/quote]
but girls and women DO diverge from what its "assumed" they will like, you SEE us all over the internet, you may think there are too few of us too matter but somtimes being less sexist is not a zero sum game, it dosen't mean always changing what is for the worst or changing some things at all (as I said everything has its place) but this same old "DAE FEMENAZIS GONNA TAKE AWAY MUH GAMEZ" attitude comes up which is not only wrong but somtimes indicates a self centered world veiw, if people spent less time being reactionary and more time listening then we wouldnt be going around in the same hamster wheel
[quote/]Point is the initial fanbase was majority male for batman so the idea that it now has to cater to women because its mainstream doesn't wash[/quote]
I never said batman had to fucking change.....I mean charachters like Poison Ivy, Harley Quin or Catowoman could be....considered in a certain way....but thats a debate for another time. If I want my female romp around Gotham I'll read Batwoman or Batgirl
[quote/]Batman remains great because it fundamentally remains a male story, it hasn't recently yielded to the calls to dilute its story by injecting unnecessary female characters into the story.[/quote]
which I don't belive anyone has done recently....and as I said there are (albeit less notable) female charachters in the batverse....alongside a book called Gotham central
[quote/]Missing the point entirely. It was mothers who threw those things out, which says a bit about female interest in general, but its more about the general populations lack of respect for this kind of thing for all those years. It was stuff to be thrown out without a second thought.[/quote]
yes it shows that comics were considered pulp entertainment and nothing more...NO it says NOTHING about being female...
[quote/]Voices in your head don't count ok? We have to talk about objective reality, and if people are giving themselves complexes by soaking themselves in so much feminist dogma that they see sexism around every corner and end up fearful of everything, thats their problem, and its a problem with their outlook, not with reality.[/quote]
are you a women who has experiences sexism at one point in her life?
sexism in the geek comunity exsits, this false hysteria over "fake geek girls" is just one form, being treated as eather invisible or like crap in those spaces (like comics/games shops) is another
[quote/]No one knows you are girl reading a comic book, no one knows if you are girl ordering a comic book from amazon. How fragile are you claiming women are anyways?[/quote]
youre doing it again
[quote/]Again, if women are that fragile, are they really equal?
Again implicit in your argument is the idea of female weakness. Its an idea you continuously promote whether you know it or not.[/quote]
I am not saying this
you know I am not saying this
from what I can gather you have toruble understanding that its not ok to act like a dick, ESPECIALLY if youre running a buisness
talk to any women who likes geeky things, ask her how she feels, I bet she might feel rather pissed off...especially at this kind of thing
[quote/]Beyond that again this is just another one of those smears, all those comic store owners must be vicious sexists, yea that's the ticket, and that's the only possible explanation for why women weren't interested in comics...[/quote]
you talk about fragility and yet are quick to paint everything as some kind of personal attack...
I didn't say that....I said it happens, thankfully my local comic books stores have all been great, others aren't so luckey
[quote/]Great, so now you are damned regardless, its funny how that works[/quote]
only if you don't underastand the difference between pedastooling and treating somone as eaqual,it shouldnt be a big deal if a girl has certain interests
[quote/]While its true no one should pedastool anyone, the fact is that it contradicts your claims of men trying to keep women out of such interests, or being jerks to keep them out. "pedastooling" means they seek the approval of such women, quite the opposite of trying to exclude them[/quote]
they are not mutually exclusive....
[quote/]is it really pedastooling if you just want a significant over that has the same interests as you?[/quote]
that would depend....its reasonable to want somone with similar itnerests...but personally I wouldn't base my whole relationship on it, its also not good to have an unrealistic idea, she might be into comics but she might be a poor fit for you
[quote/]Its just evidence of trying to damn men regardless.[/quote]
you really need to stop reading everything as an attack against "teh menz"
[quote/]no most comics were not the result of massive marketing sprees like you see with blockbuster films. Most organically grew from humble beginnings, and a great many have failed, no matter how much marketing was behind them.[/quote]
EVERYTHING no matter how small is "marketed" way back when Solder comics had tough and cool solders to appeal to boys, girl comics used cute things and pastels to appeal to girls, everything right down to the gum you buy is "marketed" in some way
also somtimes companies are dumb in regards to demographics...just look at jims countless videos on the game industry and why COD shooters arent the only games that exist
[quote/]And frankly that's what your feminist conspiracy theory has to assume, that people hate money[/quote]
now weve gone from logical gymnastics to logical contortionism...jesus christ
[quote/]Funny thing, the rationalization hamster is a thing for feminists...[/quote]
no its some bullshit Redpillers made up
[quote/]But anyways what I said was correct and is implicit in your argument.[/quote]
I am not saying women are weak...you are puting words in my mouth
[quote/]Its accurate and you are just in denial.[/quote]
quoting fucked up but whatever you meant "you are in denial" is not an argument
[quote/]That's fine, and its fine that I've never heard of it, it caters to its own audience, and it shouldn't be forced to cater for others, let alone people with no actual interest, like me. You say its very diverse, but well, I've not heard of it, so its not that diverse at all. [/quote]
ummm....no its still diverse....regardless of how popular it may or may not be,
[quote/]Not everything has to be the same, and not everything has to appeal to everyone[/quote]
which is not what I am saying, when looking at weather or not something could stand to represent certain groups better we have to ask why and how? complaing about lack of female charachters in shaw shank redemption is pointless
[quote/]Again, this is your assumption. Like the church lady who finds dungeons and dragons satanic and morally corrupting, this is a matter of your personal opinion which you choose to universalize based on nothing at all.[/quote]
while theres an element of subjectivity I could provide some reasons why the way certain charachters are treated might be considered problematic
[quote/]Really? Is that your argument? I might as well say that since forest gump had broad appeal all films must be like that from now on. Its not a serious argument at all.[/quote]
my argument is in some cases it is not the worst fucking thing in the world and can add to a work, is it aplicable to all works? no, but that should go without saying
[quote/]Notable how there is no argument.
Notable how you spend your time clipping out most of what I say in my quotes because otherwise you can't respond at all.
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see I purposfully didn't explain why because by this point I'm getting tired, but essentialy in entertainment men are always the default and women considered "other"
[quote/]Again, no valid argument because you simply can't respond. The broken idea of "objectification" is just the perfect example of the intellectual emptiness which is modern feminism.[/quote]
objectification is the idea of veiwing women as sexual objects with no purpose other than to be obtained...she is passive, not the one calling the shots in regards to her own sexuality
[quote/]Grown adult women just don't have the backbone to just watch the entertainment they want, these are major life decisions and just anything can disuade them!![/quote]
they do actually