Skyrim and Oblivion were made for the masses (hence the fast travel and they way they babysit you through quests, never letting you figure them out for your self), but Morrowind, valuing creativity over money sure payed off.
What is the best "Elder scrolls" game out of "Morrowind" "Oblivion" and "Skyrim"
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Morrowind had the best written and the best environment, but some of the mechanics were not as well developed as they were with Oblivion and Skyrim. Skyrim probably had the best gameplay, but its world and writing weren't as compelling as Morrowind's. If I were to rate the three, I would say that Morrowind is better than Skyrim which is better than Oblivion.
You need to relax. First off, I didn't say being younger than me made you any less intelligent, or incapable of behaving in a socially acceptable manner. So no, I didn't insult you.Hyper-space said:
What I did say (though I suppose I could have been more clear) is that you are a child of modern game design. This also is not an insult. By the time you started playing RPGs, you missed out on the games that made you work for your information. Therefore, your ability to enjoy games like Morrowind is hindered. When you don't have the skills for a task, you cannot accomplish it, and can't have fun. And no, I'm not saying I'm a "better" gamer than you, just to cut you off. When I refer to these "skills", I'm referring to the fact that modern game design in general, and RPGs specifically, has stopped asking you to think critically about how to accomplish your goal, and instead tells you exactly how to solve whatever problem you have been given.
To illustrate my point: The longtime Zelda player will recognize puzzles from game to game, and understand what is required of them to move past an obstacle. The player who has never touched Zelda before will have no idea why lighting torches would unlock a door. It's not a perfect example, as Zelda has always had hints to its puzzles, but I think I've sufficiently described it that you'll understand what I mean.
So, yes, my theory is that you simply aren't capable of enjoying games like Morrowind because you never learned the long process, but rather have been trained on games that just give you the answer.
Like how I can't do various high-level math formulas because I was raised AFTER the advent of calculators. And following BOTH of us is a generation that struggles to do multiplication and division.
Now, let's talk about your "subjective preferences" which I have so maligned in your eyes. your exacts words were that Morrowind "was just completely broken and unplayable". That's not subjective. That's an objective, quantifiable statement. Which I already disproved.
Here's a tip for you: If you want to lecture someone on their behavior, don't engage in the same behavior. Especially since I was almost ENTIRELY civil in both this and my prior response.
Morrowind hands down (immersive, intresting, engaging, and quite beautiful at the time it was released). Hell you can double the crappy combat and it would still win. Of course its my own personal favorite out of the 3 and i don't expect everyone to agree.
Now i was trying to ignore the gentlemen who use the term broken or unplayable to describe Morrowind an the basis of them apparently lacking a proper grip on the english language. Don't get me wrong, i do not have a problem with you disliking Morrowind because your personal opinion does not affect me in any way and I myself do not have the best skills in written english but please for the love of the Elder God, do not use words you do not know the meaning of.
Now i was trying to ignore the gentlemen who use the term broken or unplayable to describe Morrowind an the basis of them apparently lacking a proper grip on the english language. Don't get me wrong, i do not have a problem with you disliking Morrowind because your personal opinion does not affect me in any way and I myself do not have the best skills in written english but please for the love of the Elder God, do not use words you do not know the meaning of.
You know what? I'm going to defy convention and say Arena, followed by Daggerfall. People always seem to forget that Morrowind wasn't the first Elder Scrolls game. So I'm going to pick Arena, because I feel it had the fullest feeling world, containing all the provinces and all, followed by Daggerfall because it had the largest feeling world and it gets a few points off for feeling terribly balanced.
Never got into Morrowind due to the shite on a bike combat. Skyrim and Oblivion are more or less equal in my books but if I had to choose I'd probably choose Oblivion because of the better quests.
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I've played all three of them and in my opinion the story has gotten worse with each game while the game play has gotten better and better.
Out of all three though I think Oblivion is my favourite, especially with Shivering Isles. There just isn't such a thing as too much Sheogorath.
Out of all three though I think Oblivion is my favourite, especially with Shivering Isles. There just isn't such a thing as too much Sheogorath.
I haven't touched Skyrim yet, touched Oblivion briefly and did play Morrowind for quite a bit but i still love Daggerfall the most out of the whole Elder Scrolls universe. It was buggy as hell but that was one Elder Scroll game that i actually completed and saw an ending for it - and it was prove that there was a time when games were really fun and engaging, more than just graphics and effects. I would love to fire it up again and replay it, guess everyone is entitled to their likes eh?
Yes! More people need to realize that Morrowind wasn't the first Elder Scrolls game!MopBox said:
I think, if you're the kind of person that just wants to play a game, and doesn't want to think too hard about how the gremlins under the engine are working, Skyrim is the way to go. And there's something to be said for that. But I prefer Morrowind precisely because you can kind of see the guts sticking out. To play a mage is essentially just to be someone with the power to directly program the game universe.
Also, you can fly in Morrowind. FLY. Not only is it possible, it's expected that at some point you'll get some rising force potions or learn a levitate spell just to play the game. When I found out that feature was removed in Oblivion I blew my top. You don't go from "being able to fly" to "can't fly under any cicumstance" and call it an improvement.
Other things mentioned here that I think are super important include how terrible autoleveling has been for games. In Morrowind you can take a trip into Red Mountain at level one and get your butt handed to you like you deserve, and then go back at level twenty and get the kind of satisfaction that comes from seeing all the work you put into leveling pay off. In Oblivion and Skyrim I don't want to level very far past the mid-twenties because it creates a world full of tanky trash mobs I have to cheese to death, just so I can get the canned randomized magic items reserved for characters my level.
It's also awesome to be able to pick up a rare artifact just lying out there to be found at level five, and not have to wonder if you could have gotten a better version of the same weapon if you had waited until you were higher level.
I grant Morrowind has its problems, but it's a solid game that treats its players like adults, which is more than can be said for its spoiled, prissy descendants.
Also, you can fly in Morrowind. FLY. Not only is it possible, it's expected that at some point you'll get some rising force potions or learn a levitate spell just to play the game. When I found out that feature was removed in Oblivion I blew my top. You don't go from "being able to fly" to "can't fly under any cicumstance" and call it an improvement.
Other things mentioned here that I think are super important include how terrible autoleveling has been for games. In Morrowind you can take a trip into Red Mountain at level one and get your butt handed to you like you deserve, and then go back at level twenty and get the kind of satisfaction that comes from seeing all the work you put into leveling pay off. In Oblivion and Skyrim I don't want to level very far past the mid-twenties because it creates a world full of tanky trash mobs I have to cheese to death, just so I can get the canned randomized magic items reserved for characters my level.
It's also awesome to be able to pick up a rare artifact just lying out there to be found at level five, and not have to wonder if you could have gotten a better version of the same weapon if you had waited until you were higher level.
I grant Morrowind has its problems, but it's a solid game that treats its players like adults, which is more than can be said for its spoiled, prissy descendants.
As a preference, Oblivion. Morrowind was what got me into the series but I couldn't stand the combat and when I got a hold of Oblivion and you could hit things without the invisible roll of the dice and ruin a perfectly good dinner party by jumping on the table and dancing the jigg, I nearly died of happiness. My opinion may be a bit biased because Oblivion was just about the only thing I played back then and my gaming preferences were still developing, but I honestly enjoyed it more than Morrowind and Skyrim both as a vanilla game. With mods though I'd have to hand it to Skyrim.