What is the "Citizen Kane" of Video Games?
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I agree with you on this. LA Noire has the potential to change gaming as we know it. I'm really looking forward to it.Ghostwise said:
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Nothing about that indicated a P.O.V shot, the fading between shots getting closer and closer. That is a perspective only the all-seeing-eye of a camera could see, unless the Butler was some sort of ghost or maybe death itself.
And at no point was any Butler seen in any of the shots. And if that was the Butler's POV why was his eye right up within an inch of this guys face then down on the floor then he suddenly disappears when the Nurse rushes in after hearing the snow-globe fall and break.
That's no Butler, that's a fucking Ninja.
Eh...Bioshock I guess...
It did nothing amazing for the FPS market, was short and little replay value, yet it's story is nothing short of amazing. It really is just a great story which can interactive with. Espically the little things like finding audio logs of people, and seeing their final thoughts leading to their demise.
I'm sure there is better, but off the top of my head, bioshock comes first.
It did nothing amazing for the FPS market, was short and little replay value, yet it's story is nothing short of amazing. It really is just a great story which can interactive with. Espically the little things like finding audio logs of people, and seeing their final thoughts leading to their demise.
I'm sure there is better, but off the top of my head, bioshock comes first.
Wow, what a rant. I'll take your advice, seems there's one on ebay right now.Treblaine said:(to the part in bold)
MGS2 is a dick slap in the face after Metal Gear Solid I cannot emphasize this enough, MGS2 is like the Star Wars Prequels of the MGS series, avoid it like the plague, in fact pretend it doesn't even exist. Skip. It. Entirely.
Please, play MGS1 and just treat MGS2 like fan-fiction. I'm sorry, I'm so sorry you have been so badly burned. MGS3 is all right but really plays it far too safe, it's a nice back story to MGS1 but really is unnecessary, we don't really need to know Big Boss's origin story just like we don't need to know Darth Vader's origins.
There is this poster flying around of Jar Jar Binks saying "Well at least he isn't as bad as Twilight's Sparkling Vampires" Well Raiden is the Jar Jar Binks of the MGS series and yes, he is worse than sparkling vampires. He is almost single-handedly responsible for Metal Gear Solid being so under-appreciated... everyone plays the more recent higher res version MGS game assuming it must be better. Fuck. No.
PS2 is backwards compatible, you've got to get MGS1 and play it. Quickly, here may still be time to undo the damage done by MGS2! You can also download it for PSP, that version seems good enough, what are you waiting for? Graphics don't matter, this game nails it in every way a game needs to be great! You'll see what I mean by Citizen Kane of gaming.
MGS1 should be required gaming if you want to have any dialogue about game narratives.
I wouldn't say that we have a Citizen Kane and while Deus Ex was great and gave the RPG/action genre I wouldn't put it up there.Vega_GTX said:
It LOOKS good but I'm expecting little more than Heavy Rain in the 30s.JUMBO PALACE said:
lolZannah said:
Though for once I'd like one of these topics to be about the real great art in videogames. Which is to say games that are actually good. Like these: http://insomnia.ac/reviews/videogame_art/
Just skimmed through all the posts, don't think it's been suggested yet...
Ape Escape. The first one. Simply on the grounds that Ape Escape was the first game that required the use of the analog sticks to play... Which then set a new standard for games.
Beyond that, because that alone doesn't make for a strong connection to the player, it had a fairly consistant difficulty curve. Fun, if limited, multiplayer mini-games - which required unlocking, adding a challenge. Vast selection of gadgets, which were progressively unlocked through the main story, and required backtracking for full completion after unlocking some of them. And, if i remember right, two endings; one for completion and then the proper one for full completion, which could be done after getting the first end-clip.
Plus a time-trial mode for every level, adding further challenge for those interested in it.
Not the best game ever, by a long way, but certainly changed gaming a lot in my opinion.
Ape Escape. The first one. Simply on the grounds that Ape Escape was the first game that required the use of the analog sticks to play... Which then set a new standard for games.
Beyond that, because that alone doesn't make for a strong connection to the player, it had a fairly consistant difficulty curve. Fun, if limited, multiplayer mini-games - which required unlocking, adding a challenge. Vast selection of gadgets, which were progressively unlocked through the main story, and required backtracking for full completion after unlocking some of them. And, if i remember right, two endings; one for completion and then the proper one for full completion, which could be done after getting the first end-clip.
Plus a time-trial mode for every level, adding further challenge for those interested in it.
Not the best game ever, by a long way, but certainly changed gaming a lot in my opinion.
The prompt is a little vague. If you mean Citizen Kane's equivalent in terms of public perception as the best movie of all time, then it just comes down to each poster's opinion on what the greatest video game of all time was.
If you mean it only in the limited sense of changing the industry's direction and focus, then Doom would be the closest equivalent that I know of.
In terms of artistic value, BioShock would be my pick for Kane's equivalent.
However, in the broad sense of "Something that is uber-highly rated, classic, and almost everyone has experienced it before," then I would have to say Half-Life 2 or Ocarina of Time. Games like Deus Ex or System Shock 2 just aren't mainstream enough to count.
Hope this helps!
If you mean it only in the limited sense of changing the industry's direction and focus, then Doom would be the closest equivalent that I know of.
In terms of artistic value, BioShock would be my pick for Kane's equivalent.
However, in the broad sense of "Something that is uber-highly rated, classic, and almost everyone has experienced it before," then I would have to say Half-Life 2 or Ocarina of Time. Games like Deus Ex or System Shock 2 just aren't mainstream enough to count.
Hope this helps!
Games aren't movies. Movies aren't paintings. Paintings aren't radio. Radio isn't video games. Films and video games are so different that a comparison like this is irrelevant. Citizen Kane was what it was, and video games are something different that no one really understands. Is it investment in the characters as human beings a'la Mass Effect? Is it purely gameplay a'la Super Mario Brothers? Is it mood and atmosphere a'la Silent Hill 2? Is it plot twists a'la Bioshock?
We don't know. It's a varied medium and has so much outward potential it's hard to imagine. From Flower to Planescape to Halo - what can the art form accomplish? It's impossible to define. Maybe the CK of FPSs is a more appropriate question.
We don't know. It's a varied medium and has so much outward potential it's hard to imagine. From Flower to Planescape to Halo - what can the art form accomplish? It's impossible to define. Maybe the CK of FPSs is a more appropriate question.
Actually that scene was a way of showing that Kane saying rosebud was part of a fantasy, and the guy who claimed to know about rosebud only said he said it for money.The_root_of_all_evil said:
The mechanics of gaming are far too genre-specific to have one single revolutionary piece that really changes the way games are developed. Asking for a "Citizen Kane of video games" is like asking for a "Citizen Kane of video," something that fundamentally changed or influenced future production of everything from films to television series to sports broadcasts to game shows... such a thing cannot exist.
Our revolutionary moments have been much more technical than they have been in implementing things in new ways. Things like saving allowing more in-depth and narrative-driven games, or new control schemes allowing genres to be more accessible. Better graphics making things less abstract, and more advanced hardware to do the calculations required to enhance realism. Core gameplay mechanics, camera use, lighting, and even control schemes (depending on the genre, I know I mentioned that as an innovation above) have been relatively unchanged for close to two decades, even longer for certain genres.
Unless you just mean "the generic go-to example of trying to justify a medium as an art" in which case it's the Mass Effect series, no contest.
Our revolutionary moments have been much more technical than they have been in implementing things in new ways. Things like saving allowing more in-depth and narrative-driven games, or new control schemes allowing genres to be more accessible. Better graphics making things less abstract, and more advanced hardware to do the calculations required to enhance realism. Core gameplay mechanics, camera use, lighting, and even control schemes (depending on the genre, I know I mentioned that as an innovation above) have been relatively unchanged for close to two decades, even longer for certain genres.
Unless you just mean "the generic go-to example of trying to justify a medium as an art" in which case it's the Mass Effect series, no contest.
Ico. Okami. Silent Hill 2.
Depends what you see as art. For example, I'm not a great fan of surrealist pieces that I've seen, I've shown more preference towards still-life and landscape styles.
Depends what you see as art. For example, I'm not a great fan of surrealist pieces that I've seen, I've shown more preference towards still-life and landscape styles.