What is the point of consoles anymore?

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I'm too old to get into PC gaming - I'm already 30, and I'm getting lazier by the year. Now consoles are quickly losing that delicious convenvience, and I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place.

Maybe I'm just gonna have to go for the Wii-U; The least bullshitty of the three.
 

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What is the point of consoles anymore?

As the Microsoft Xbox One press conference told us the purpose is obviously to change the channel on the Television and watch The Price is Right. Also included is the ability to yell at your television (kinect) like a crazy person and receive phone calls while watching the tv at the same time. truly groundbreaking.

PS4 also mentioned something about games but who does that?
 

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mtcp122 said:
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I for one look forward to watching TV on the Xbox one, I'm not sure how we watched TV with out it.
It's times like this I wish Escapist had a "like" button...

OT: I still think consoles are relevant and will continue to be so.

Yes PC's can dish out powerhouse graphics that consoles simply cannot compare to nowadays, but consoles can provide affordable gaming with respectable graphics that do appeal to the masses.

I know this isn't a well respected view by some. This is however, how it is!

I've been a PC game in the past but couldn't keep up financially so moved back to consoles. 360 is my current device of choice and despite the.... lacklustre reveal, I do believe the xbox one will be a console worth purchasing.

Let us see what happens at E3 before we write off the Xbox One.

Off topic.... My snake decide to take a shit on me while typing this message >:[

**EDIT** I realise now that none of you will ever believe that I was ever a PC Game. I was in fact a PC Gamer.
As stated in my previous post, console gaming will be more expensive than pc gaming this generation. Companies are trying to do away with used games, which is just about the only thing that can hold up to steam sales. Without those used games, console gaming will be significantly more expensive. So no, I don't believe that it will be worth getting an XBone for financial reasons. If they put used games back in the market then yes, that can be a slight reason to get one, but it just does not look like that is happening. It won't have backwards compatibility either (neither system actually will have it) so for quite a while there will only be 15-20 games out(?) for it that you can only buy at 50-60 dollars each.
Well, Mr UpYourAssington, I didn't read your previous statement/post. Now that you've quoted me, I still haven't because of... well you being so presumptuous (and being Mr. UpYourAssington - Seriously, change your name to that, it'll be funny).

While I do rather enjoy your mild case of self importance, please look at this matter from a different perspective... some people that do play consoles do so for the cheap initial outlay. They then pay over the odds for the rest of the generation because from time to time they have disposable income. While possibly not as financially beneficial in the long run, it's most definitely more feasible in the short term.

I can't afford to pay out for a device that I then need to upgrade intermittently. Consoles are an outlay that I can afford and still play some awesome games with, as far as I'm concerned, good graphics.

Captcha - banana split

Seriously - that was a hell of a lot of snake poo.
True, I didn't consider the initial cheap outlay. A lot of people do claim they are cheaper overall though throughout their lifespan and that is plain untrue (provided they don't buy a several thousand dollar computer and instead spend a reasonable amount. say up to 8-9 hundred), which is what I was referring too.

An as per the graphics point you made, I have never truly considered that an argument to be made in anythings favor. Yes, obviously one would chose the setup that can give the same game with the best performance but as many know, good graphics does not mean a good game. So I'm pretty neutral on the stance of graphics (granted there are limits to that but the point I made still stands). Basically graphics don't really mean much to me up to a certain point.
Can I apologise for the "Mr UpYourAssington" thing.... Had quite a few pints of Thatchers immediately followed up with a bottle of red after a 12 hour day at work. Wooooo Thursday!

I've admittedly never been too fussy with my gaming. Graphics have never been my thing (although they can "WOW" me) and that's why I'm content with my 6 year old laptop (for browsing & porn) and consoles for the immediate satisfaction they can provide with gaming.

There will always be a need for consoles. There will always be a... rift (seriously had to think of the correct word for a while).... between PC and console gamers.

Who cares. I play awesome games that I get hours and hours of enjoyment from and so do you but on different platforms.

Again apologies for the unnecessary aggression.
 

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For me it's simple: playing the kind of games you'll never get on PC (I'm a Nintendo man). Also I've always used a controller and hence (for me, may I stress) a keyboard is inferior (especially because my laptop keyboard gives me wrist pain if I try to game with it). While I'm going on about minor things, a console fits better in a living room where there's space, comfy chairs and company and I never have to worry about specs or whether to upgrade (I still have to do it but I don't have to worry about it). These are all minor though, as I don't want to play the kind of games on PC and I do want to play the kind of games on consoles.
 

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Rayman Origins...they just don't exist on PC, at least not like on console, because if you wanna play multiplayer on a pc, generally everyone has to have their own device.
Rayman Origins has local multiplayer on PC. That was my first experience of the game :p

But yeah, local multiplayer is a rarity on PC. It's getting rare on consoles, too, though nowhere near to the same degree as on PCs. Although, oddly, it seems to be getting MORE common on PC. I kinda hope Steam Big Picture encourages more of it; some of my fondest gaming memories are of playing old-school co-op games on the Megadrive.
 

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The point of consoles is to have a gaming platform that everyone can get into. Believe it or not, unless you're tech savvy, it's pretty hard to get into PC gaming. With consoles you just go pick it up at the store, hook it up to your TV, and turn the sucker on. I for one prefer PC gaming since it's an overall better experience but I can see why we have consoles.
 

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Its still a little easier than dealing with some pc bullshit but the XBone hit every single one. I want physical games instead of full installs so no wait time downloading and installing things, can share games, I don't want drm services like uplay and origin, it's easier to use with a controller (which is another Microsoft fuck up. Why doesn't the 360 control the windows 7 desktop without 3rd party shit that requires maintenance?), my console magically patches and updates itself without screwing random shit up, etc

With a good pc, these things are minimal but a good pc will be more than a few hundred dollars. As long as the ps4 doesn't approach the $600 mark, then it would cheaper for a console
Like I said earlier you can get hard copies of games still. I also said that one of my friends got a pretty decent gaming pc for only a few hundred dollars. Granted yes that was a sale but still.
Whats the point in buying hard copies of games if you have to install the whole game on your computer? Might as well just use steam cause its cheaper than retail. And you can't sell or share the disk after you've used the serial code. And I don't want a "decent" pc. I already have one of those. My computer gets me good mileage if I'm running at 1280x720 (I can't see the difference) but at what cost? I can play on moderately high and I get a loss of frames when things become graphically intense like when playing Metro 2033 I can be walking along a tunnel at a good 30 frames on high but as soon as a bunch of nosalises hop on screen to rape me I'm down to 15 and have to play with the optimization settings. This is why I bought Last Light for ps3 because even though I'm playing with lower textures and whatnot, at least I don't have to adjust graphics every firefight and take me out of the game and I know devs will try to squeeze as much performance out of the machine I bought

One of the biggest arguments to be made for consoles is that they are cheaper. That is true initially but over time, they become more expensive as games are more expensive. I mean take a look on steam at any given day and you're going to find games marked down in price. Today there are a number of games on sale. The other day I got borderlands 2 at like 66% off. When you preorder a game from steam you tend to save 10%. Depending on how many games you buy, a pc can very quickly become cheaper than a console.
I don't typically buy a lot of gamz. If I do, I usually buy games new. Metro: Last Light was new on Steam for $50 but for ps3 it was $60. To me (and others might not agree) that $10 premium for a physical game is fine by me (not to mention, I got the pre-order edition because those usually stay on shelves long after the release). But like I said, I do pc game when its more convenient. Why buy Psychonauts for $20 on on PSN if I can get it for $5 on Steam? If a game I heavily consider buying is cheap on Steam then I'll buy it. It gives me a chance to play games I might not have taken a chance on like Spec Ops. Otherwise its not saving me money to impulse buy every time Steam has a sale
 

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I've really always considered myself more of a console gamer than a PC gamer. The PC gaming master race just pisses me off to no end, and I like to plop down on the couch and play games with a controller most of the time.

So it really pains me to say this, but I kinda think I'm just going to give this console generation a miss. It really feels like consoles are turning into social media infused CoD and Madden machines. Which is fine in its way, I guess. I know lots of people who actually want that. I'm just not one of them.

In the end I've really always done most of my gaming on consoles because that's where all the really interesting games have been, but now it seems like all the interesting stuff is happening on PCs. I guess maybe I should just look into hooking my PC up to my TV. I already have a wired 360 controller that seems to spend more time plugged into my computer than into my Xbox.
 

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Console ports huh? except the number of pc exclusives beats both 360 and ps3 combined times whatever number. And cheap xbox arcade games? xbox arcade is a graveyard in comparison to the number of likewise games on pc now and whatever they get comes to pc anyways as microsoft is too hard to work with and treats those developers like garbage. I would make a list of pc to console exclusives, but I would be here for weeks.
 

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Only point to buying a console now is for a ritualistic sense. Meaning people that always have played on consoles will not feel comfortable unless they are playing on consoles.

There is no longer an objective benefit
There was never really much of an objective benefit it was all just personal preference. I for one hate sitting at a computer desk and using a mouse and keyboard to play games. I just find the couch so much more relaxing and while yes I can plug a pc into a tv and use a controller that just takes up way to much room and looks ugly as hell. It would also require me to buy a pc but we are going to ignore that. There are still issues that come with pc's though such as upgrading, not knowing if a game you buy will actually run on it, etc.


Consoles can still be much more convenient especially for local multiplayer or just having a bunch of friends over from some brews and cod. They still have pretty much all the advantages they did in the past its just that now you need to install the games.

All comments about used games/rentals will be ignored by me until we have more information on that subject. I just dont think that multiple conflicting sources are really enough to go on.
 

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Originally, convenience. PS3 and 360 were still that more or less, because your games would work, because it was made for them. Next gen though, I'll just stick with upgrading my PC.
 

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I took a deep breath thinking this would be another of those PC Master Race threads. And I guess it is, up to a point. But OP makes a good in pointing out the prevalence of older consoles over new launches. That much I agree with. I'm still in love with my good old PS2.
 

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Rancid0ffspring said:
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I for one look forward to watching TV on the Xbox one, I'm not sure how we watched TV with out it.
It's times like this I wish Escapist had a "like" button...

OT: I still think consoles are relevant and will continue to be so.

Yes PC's can dish out powerhouse graphics that consoles simply cannot compare to nowadays, but consoles can provide affordable gaming with respectable graphics that do appeal to the masses.

I know this isn't a well respected view by some. This is however, how it is!

I've been a PC game in the past but couldn't keep up financially so moved back to consoles. 360 is my current device of choice and despite the.... lacklustre reveal, I do believe the xbox one will be a console worth purchasing.

Let us see what happens at E3 before we write off the Xbox One.

Off topic.... My snake decide to take a shit on me while typing this message >:[

**EDIT** I realise now that none of you will ever believe that I was ever a PC Game. I was in fact a PC Gamer.
As stated in my previous post, console gaming will be more expensive than pc gaming this generation. Companies are trying to do away with used games, which is just about the only thing that can hold up to steam sales. Without those used games, console gaming will be significantly more expensive. So no, I don't believe that it will be worth getting an XBone for financial reasons. If they put used games back in the market then yes, that can be a slight reason to get one, but it just does not look like that is happening. It won't have backwards compatibility either (neither system actually will have it) so for quite a while there will only be 15-20 games out(?) for it that you can only buy at 50-60 dollars each.
Well, Mr UpYourAssington, I didn't read your previous statement/post. Now that you've quoted me, I still haven't because of... well you being so presumptuous (and being Mr. UpYourAssington - Seriously, change your name to that, it'll be funny).

While I do rather enjoy your mild case of self importance, please look at this matter from a different perspective... some people that do play consoles do so for the cheap initial outlay. They then pay over the odds for the rest of the generation because from time to time they have disposable income. While possibly not as financially beneficial in the long run, it's most definitely more feasible in the short term.

I can't afford to pay out for a device that I then need to upgrade intermittently. Consoles are an outlay that I can afford and still play some awesome games with, as far as I'm concerned, good graphics.

Captcha - banana split

Seriously - that was a hell of a lot of snake poo.
True, I didn't consider the initial cheap outlay. A lot of people do claim they are cheaper overall though throughout their lifespan and that is plain untrue (provided they don't buy a several thousand dollar computer and instead spend a reasonable amount. say up to 8-9 hundred), which is what I was referring too.

An as per the graphics point you made, I have never truly considered that an argument to be made in anythings favor. Yes, obviously one would chose the setup that can give the same game with the best performance but as many know, good graphics does not mean a good game. So I'm pretty neutral on the stance of graphics (granted there are limits to that but the point I made still stands). Basically graphics don't really mean much to me up to a certain point.
Can I apologise for the "Mr UpYourAssington" thing.... Had quite a few pints of Thatchers immediately followed up with a bottle of red after a 12 hour day at work. Wooooo Thursday!

I've admittedly never been too fussy with my gaming. Graphics have never been my thing (although they can "WOW" me) and that's why I'm content with my 6 year old laptop (for browsing & porn) and consoles for the immediate satisfaction they can provide with gaming.

There will always be a need for consoles. There will always be a... rift (seriously had to think of the correct word for a while).... between PC and console gamers.

Who cares. I play awesome games that I get hours and hours of enjoyment from and so do you but on different platforms.

Again apologies for the unnecessary aggression.
Yea not a problem. This isn't youtube with little pricks just trying to piss you off for a laugh so I sorta figured that you were just having an off day :p

But yea, that is exactly my stance on graphics. I'll take gameplay over them any day. And yea, rift would be the best way to put it (as I'll explain later).

Johnny Novgorod said:
I took a deep breath thinking this would be another of those PC Master Race threads. And I guess it is, up to a point. But OP makes a good in pointing out the prevalence of older consoles over new launches. That much I agree with. I'm still in love with my good old PS2.
And yea, pretty much what I was going for.

Honestly, there are few benefits that I saw that could come out of consoles.
1) local multiplayer
2) if you are not overly tech savvy consoles can be more simplified and easier to use
3) more mobile*
4) exclusives**

*I say this because as a few people have said, consoles allow you just to sit down pretty much anywhere and play (when they aren't downloading system and game updates that is) and for some a controller does work better than a mouse and keyboard so with the two factored together I have to give it to consoles.

**I have to add this in because there are games on consoles that are poorly ported to pc or just not there at all but the same goes in return for pc exclusives. It just depends on what game you are looking for at the time.

That is pretty much it for consoles that I can see at this point. Consoles will probably be around for a long, long time, and they will fall into a rift. They will become the AAA platforms where the new shooting game is released, the new sports game etc and people who like those games will be buying consoles. Pc attracts a more interesting crowd because anyone can develop for Pc.

My issue with consoles is that they are trying to do everything now. Yea, having a ps4 and being able to spectate someone playing a game will be neat because it will let you see what they are doing and give you a preview of the game, which can persuade or dissuade one from buying it. It can be cool to have an internet browser in game so if you die at the end of a round you can just browse the internet for a few minutes, or if you are stuck on one part of a game look up a guide. It can be cool to have some sort of social media on a console, but only if it was to set up gaming sessions with friends or randoms just to avoid matchmaking or share gaming stories. But I don't need facebook on my console. I don't need a lot of the rubbish that we are being presented with. A lot of these things are already implemented in steam or will simply be part of the natural evolution of gaming on consoles, which I am all for. But I don't want my console to do everything, I want it to play games. We have pc's, or smart tv's or smart phones to do a lot of the things that we saw in these releases. It's time to have something dedicated to gaming. That's what would make me want to buy a console but this generation won't have that. Almost anything consoles seem to be offering this generation, we already have something that will do that task better and faster. What's the point?
 

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The only point for me to buy any other gaming platform other than the PC I'm gonna build is the interesting mechanics of the systems/controllers (I'm talking about the PS4 controller screen and the Wii U gamepad. Xbone, suck it), and all of the exclusives that I can't get elsewhere.

I mostly handheld game, but I'll happily buy any console for its exclusives. After I get my PC, the Wii U and its line-up is on my list. Bayonetta 2 (First one blew my mind), Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, etc. But yeah, exclusives :3
 

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For the first time since The War began, I will post something in a forum. As a person who grew up on the first Delta Force and Half Life, but also connected to Tekken 3 and FF7 through a good childhood friend of mine (read: i was solidly hooked on PC AND PS games... gaming-saturated childhood I guess) I gazed upon the birth of the PS2 in AWE while I was killing the local noobs in Counter-Strike at the age of 9-10. For that reason I saw it fit to own both the PS3 (tekken 6... yeah) AND a gaming rig that was razor-sharp 2 years ago. Before I type in anything, let me make this perfectly clear - these are MY views, MY resolutions and MY personal observations which are in NO WAY to be taken personally...

With that being said - here is a list of things that TO ME are myths regarding both sides that I find hilarious and sometimes downright depressing to read:

1 - Ease of operation/Game management - In the past both sides had to handle disks. I think that whoever has to nitpick between swapping disks or double-clicking an icon after installing ONCE has a serious issue and needs to seriously think about how he spends his free time. Nowadays, even though consoles still have to deal with disks sometimes, same as the PC crowd, you can't seriously think that having all my games in a drop-down menu via steam or on my desktop is NOT more convenient than having to take out and put in another disk every time I need to play something else. So me and a buddy are rocking Tekken Tag 2... we decide that old-fashioned Fight Night 4 is better suited to channel our passive-aggressive urges. I have to get up, take out the Tekken disk, put it in the box, find Fight Night, put it in, wait for the software to kick in, and THEN we get to play. When I play SC2 and my friends want to do the WoW dailies all I have to do is hit alt-F4, double-click the WoW Client Icon and hit Start...
2 - Accesories/Periferals/Mouse&Key - The obvious first. My mouse and keyboard have been plugged in for 6 months straight. I have to plug-in the Dualshock3 every 2 days and sit closer to the monitor (cable length) for the thing to recharge. Me and my buddy are rocking some MGS (backseat driver mode) and right when the clueless guard is about to turn around the game pauses and a message tells me I have to plug in the Dualshock...
Less obvious - I am always amused when some hardcore gamers from both sides start arguing about how the Pad is just as easy/versatile to perform with as the mouse and board... Are we REALLY considering this!? How can two thumbs perform faster and more precisely than a wrist/fingers combo with 16+ bones, 1 major and 5 lesser joints... If that does not make a case (biology and all, huh?), any mid-tear gaming mouse(that costs half the price of a Dualshock) have a much higher performance and precision capability than 2 thumbsticks can ever have. Be serious. And if that STILL doesn't make a decent case - Warhammer 40K Space Marine is a game that is equally played on PC and Console (well, was... RIP SM), some XBox gents from our community wanted to put an end to the discussion once and for all and wanted a thorough showdown between their top clan and the clan I play with. The results were laughable. The panning and acceleration capabilities of a mouse outperform the Pad SEVERELY. I'm not talking about Pro Counter Strike gamers here. (that would be even more redonk). I personally see no way for the pad to compete versus a mouse provided a roughly equal skill in the game, further reinforcing my opinion that owning a console IS justifiable if you want to play certain genres... which do not include FPS, 3rd Person Adventures/Shooters etc... Beat-em-ups - yes, Sport Simulators - sure (even though half the advantages are null with better game design) but there is hardly anything else that the mouse and keyboard don't handle better.
The Kinect-a-likes are a joke at this stage and should NOT be taken seriously by anyone.
3 - Hardware - You can look at charts and diagrams until the Brahmin come home, but 6 months after I bought my PS3 and gazed at the awesome graphics I saw what the current version of the Cry Engine could do and was a little disappointed with Sony. For a time console games look slightly better, but then a year later the Ultra Graphics on my PC outperformed the PS3. 2 years later the PS3 capabilities were still the same. The PC had Skyrim. There are vids on YT that showcase two instances of a game side by side... There is no room for comparison. A year ago people started to notice and it wasn't such a big deal, but if you want to go the "graphics are not the most important part" route, don't shove that comparison chart war on the forums. Not regarding the Wii (unique concept at the time and all), the Xbox 360 and PS3 stopped being graphically relevant wa~ay too early in the cycle and I think they served to delay and severely hinder the hardware advance that the PC offered. Since we are looking to compare and deduce weather consoles are still viable I will refrain from going into coulda-shoulda-wouldas, but just to leave a mark - would the price of a next-gen Nvidia be as high if the developers didn't have such a big market piece set back to older tech? ...Who knows.
4 - Software/General technical understanding requirements - The way I see it, there is hardly a difference in terms of updates and software download. Sometimes the 15 minute PS3 sofware patch messes things up, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes PSN gets hacked, sometimes I have to install a game, patch it, patch the PS3 Software, patch it again and THEN play the game. PC has it's own issues. The difference is this - the PC ones CAN be avoided with BASIC understanding and routine. No amount of google-searching can help me start FF13 when the PS3 software update I just downloaded screwed up somehow, needs to roll-back, re-download and hope for the best. When the new version of Steam kicks in and one of my games doesn't launch or crashes, all I have to do is rehash it and it adds the missing files automatically. When the PS3 bricks, I have to spend half a day re-rolling and google-ing. I look at it the same way I look at my financial education. I could stay at an office from 9-to-5, get my salary and be happy as a clam. Sure, it's got it's downsides, but it' stable and I DON'T HAVE TO THINKABOUT IT. I could also read a few books, try and fail a few times and in the long run provide myself a much more flexible and broader financial security:)D master race metaphore...). There are things that I like that the PS3 just can't seam to handle - modding for example. I think one of the greatest myths surrounding The War is that PC users need to go through a 2 year IT course just to install and handle their games... I've been doing this for 17 years... I've accumulated enough PC wisdom to get a job at the local Ubisoft office as a tester... Sure, the PS3 is more s t r a i g h t f o r w a r d. That doesn't make it less tedious. There are routine tricks and habits a console user picks up along the way that are equivalent to console-editing, modding, file-editing and not opening spam mail ( :D ), like restarting by holding down the power button vs the menu button in certain situations etc. (actually, that's the only one I could think of...).
5 - Exclusives - I understand the case. I accept it. I don't condone it. Business is business, gamers need to get wise to that and live with it. I hate the amount of console ports. The way I see it, however, the PC exclusives kinda top the console ones... Think about World of Warcraft, Star Craft, Counter Strike and the Mobas, all e-sport material, all with thousands (if not millions) of players that are impossible for a console. People like to say that consoles are for people that like games. That phrase is in dire need of "wake up pls". I remember when games used to be played in groups of 8-10-16. LAN ruled the world. Nowadays, I feel like these things are good remnants of a time long passed. I'd rather believe that PC gaming has done more for the medium than consoles (for the sake of trimming this already ginormous wall of text down a little I won't go into detail). Devs tried to make console MMOs and ended up with always online DRM.

My ultimate verdict as of the way things stand today (and have for the past few years) is this - consoles were AWESOME 10 years ago. They were an idea who's time had arrived. They provided a great blend of arcades and home entertainment. Back then the technology and public views were PERFECT for consoles to thrive and the concept of a gaming PC was distant. The more things changed, however, the more the BOOM of consoles (more like the people behind and around it) failed to adapt. The idea had it's time and instead of adapting and evolving MUCH faster, it started to stagnate. The current gen was a major disappointment that people couldn't swallow in my opinion. Somehow, along the way, it became more important to play the new MGS or DMC on PS3, then moving on and supporting a much larger idea that STILL hasn't lost speed (more like picked up if you ask me) - innovation. Innovation makes our medium what it is and consoles just can't keep up anymore, which is why they try to be so many things these days (instead of supplying what they originally had to - simplicity). Are they STILL viable? Yes! Yes, they are... But not AS they are now. Instead of becoming smaller, more compact and niche, they opted to get bigger, more versatile and "beefy"... Thing is, we have the PC for that. If you are one of those guys who enjoys ye olde mario and MGS and doesn't care for competitive shooters, MMOs with the population of a major city and MLG e-sports candidates, you SHOULD have been able to grab your next-gen handheld and have at it, leaving the other stuff to the current idea who's time has arrived, the PC. A person can live his life from the seat of a PC these days. Watch TV, listen to Radio, have access to 1000 people with a few clicks, play games, watch movies, create art, conduct business, handle his job etc etc etc. Consoles would need 2-3 more generations to achieve this AND IT'S POINTLESS BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY DONE AND ADVANCING FAST. I think the console crowd should have learned from the previous gen some much needed lessons and moved on, forcing the devs and companies to adapt to the demand (like they did with the NES, the GameBoy, the PS/Gamecube/Xbox, the Wii etc.) instead of forming camps, raising banners and putting memories on top of reluctant, melancholic resignations... The current titans in console gaming seek to PREDICT the future of consoles, instead of create in, using the only measure that matters - the gamer's needs regarding the time we live in. I stoically believe that consoles SHOULD NEVER have been what they are now. They are huge, clunky, on the edge of profit, demanding, restrictive and only lead to more and more bad business practices that can't be avoided. Looking at the list of pros and cons from the PoV of a gamer that appreciates and owns both:

PC has better performance, better versatility, better capability for peripherals and accessories, more room to grow and advance. It gave us e-sports, MMOs, the ability to do what today's next gen consoles can do tomorrow, years ago, Steam etc.

The consoles just can't keep up with that and should either find a new place or become something else entirely.

Lastly, I LOVE my PS2, I still have it and a library of close to 40 games, collected over the years. I still keep my Game Boy Color with Pokemon red/blue/green... I loved those times and I grew up with them, but I started to mature the moment I could afford my first PC. The only time I looked back was when for a brief period of time me and my gaming friends played the new Tekkens, Mortal Kombats and FFs (which are iconic in all the wrong ways... FF13... yes, YOU!)... The idea of a high-end PC is something of a fobia to TOO MANY people. You don't need a Nvidia Titan Crossfire Video System to play the latest games. With some knowledge one can build or buy a stable gaming PC that would last him throughout the next console gen easily.

(hindsight - DAYUUM dat post turned out long... and all I thought was "be compact, be short, don't be thorough)
 

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StayCalmAndHateXbox said:
Zeckt said:
Console ports huh? except the number of pc exclusives beats both 360 and ps3 combined times whatever number. And cheap xbox arcade games? xbox arcade is a graveyard in comparison to the number of likewise games on pc now and whatever they get comes to pc anyways as microsoft is too hard to work with and treats those developers like garbage. I would make a list of pc to console exclusives, but I would be here for weeks.

Yea, console ports.

Sure, the computer has a ton of exclusives, like farmville, and many assorted indy games that surely can be gems, but many are just rehashes anyway. The real home of AAA development is on consoles now and has been for years. Big ticket games are console ports, not the other way around.
I think I know what your talking about, but its just not the type of big ticket games that "you" like. And my so called ports that I play look better anyways. I finished replacing all my 360 games for pc, so I know.
 

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Jeez dude, just because those are the only games xbone showed so far doesnt mean there wont be plenty of good games. I havent played a COD since BLOPS1 and i'm not thrilled about ghosts, but I did see those character models, and i'd be very excited to play a game set in the dead rising, left for dead, mass effect, bioshock ect ect universes on that hardware.

Don't let the pc gamers here get ya down, most of the games they play on pcs are console ports anyway.
Well, I didn't really mean to imply that those would literally be the only games, but I really have been finding way more games that are way more fun and interesting on PC lately. Console games can still be quite good, but they're getting really... samey.

Anyway, I've got a backlog of games in my Steam catalog that I'll probably never get through, and buying consoles on launch day is generally a terrible idea to begin with, so I'm in no hurry to make any kind of final decision on the consoles of this generation. Maybe they'll do something that'll change my mind. Maybe they won't, but with this nonsense about always watching, reporting back to Microsoft daily and no backwards compatibility, even if I do get a console I think I'll be switching back to the Sony side.

Assuming, of course, that they don't do something similarly stupid, which wouldn't even surprise me at this point.
 

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Play on a couch in the comfort of your living room on a nice big TV with a controller. Yes I'm aware that you can do all of this with a PC but that takes more effort and that's something that not many people are willing to do. Mostly ease of use kind of stuff.

Then there's the matter of games. I tend to like console exclusives more than PC exclusives from my experience. I'm not really have fan of RTS games or MMO's and those are two huge genres for PC. IMO, PS3 (and probably 4 too) just have better exclusives. That's really the main thing for me. I don't care about the specs. I just care about which games I like more.