Besides the mention of more fluid movements, faster framerates make the game feel far more responsive, as there's more frames for the game to respond to the input.
What is this obsession with framerates over 30FPS?
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I play online with shitey internet, so I get by on framerates of about 20-25 per second. It only begins to become a large problem if it drops to about 16.
Because 30 fps is still noticeably segmented. In a fast paced game it does make a difference.Windknight said:
Stop motion plasticine clips create the illusion of motion, that doesn't mean I want my games to move like that.
Also movies use 24 fps as a reasonable compromise between creating the illusion of motion and cost. Film is actually quite expensive and the massive amounts needed for movies used to make it a real cost problem. It was never considered anything more than a reasonable compromise and digital media is moving to change things.
ANY technical element will get obsessives who want to push it well beyond the logical boundaries.SeeIn2D said:
Somewhere out there, someone is running a rig with an 8 core processor, a 500 dollar graphics card and 64 GB RAM to play Pong.
And he will swear he can notice the difference.
Processing power and space is an issue. As far as I know, no 1080 blu-rays use more than 29 FPS. Getting to 60 would double the storage need. 50 fps blu-rays are actually using 720 resolutionStarik20X6 said:
As for 72, that's pretty much the absolute best a human can perceive. Age and other factors generally mean it's much lower than that.
It's because there is a time and a place for slide shows and while I'm trying to put the hurting on some AI noobs is not one of them...
In all seriousness it's an e-peen issue, on PC it's a hardware dependent measurable so people attempt to maximise it to ensure their L337 status, why else would you even need to bring up an f.p.s. counter on your HUD otherwise? Yeah, immersion is SO OVERRATED these days.
As someone who has never been interested in questing for the bleeding edge of PC performance, I really don't see the point in this current era, my humble laptop runs any PC specific games, my console handles the legion of higher end titles which are now all cross platform without fail...
In all seriousness it's an e-peen issue, on PC it's a hardware dependent measurable so people attempt to maximise it to ensure their L337 status, why else would you even need to bring up an f.p.s. counter on your HUD otherwise? Yeah, immersion is SO OVERRATED these days.
As someone who has never been interested in questing for the bleeding edge of PC performance, I really don't see the point in this current era, my humble laptop runs any PC specific games, my console handles the legion of higher end titles which are now all cross platform without fail...
You calling him 'deficient' just makes you come off as mean, and elitist on top of it. Most of all, it's because he isn't deficient, but simply lacks experience that you have.Deviate said:
Consider this analogy: Elect G-Max has probably eaten plain ol' steak his entire life, and is completely used to it. You, on the other hand, have massive amounts of experience eating both normal steak (which you abhor) and fine, expensive tenderloin/Filet Mignon/Kobe Beef.
You, along with other rich PC players/rich food connoisseurs, can see the difference between these types of steak really easily, since you've spent years paying attention to the differences.
G-Max, and myself, however, have found the normal steak to be perfectly acceptable for eating, and don't have the same thirst for delicious steak. Give him a week or two time with 60fps gameplay, and then stick him back into sub-20 fps, and I can guarantee that he'll notice the difference. A one-time feasting, though, probably won't be enough to notice the subtlety that you take for granted.
This is coming from the man that, besides hating steak, had gotten used to 10fps gameplay and has, just these past two days, been playing on his brand new gaming laptop. NOW I can see the differences, but before I just couldn't comprehend why you guys were so desperate over saving your e-peens. Give G-Max my laptop, and I bet he'll reach a similar conclusion in a gaming environment.
It's a noticeable difference for a lot of people.
It's also considerably important in FPS games where there's a lot going on and the more frames, the smoother all the action is.
If you're playing an RTS, a low frame rate is rather meaningless, a fast action game however, and your reaction time can be affected by your frame rate.
It's also considerably important in FPS games where there's a lot going on and the more frames, the smoother all the action is.
If you're playing an RTS, a low frame rate is rather meaningless, a fast action game however, and your reaction time can be affected by your frame rate.
I see a recursive effect here: The normal steak eaters are annoyed at the particularly elitist PC players that insist that any food that doesn't cost $2000 is untouchable, when we know first-hand that it is very much edible, making us zealous in return towards ALL high-fps players, and repeating ad nauseum. I see both sides acting retarded.Deviate said:
And believe me when I say that I was JUST in the 'I don't see the appeal' category not more than 4 days ago. I think that these normal-steak-eaters aren't being unreasonable, since they literally do not have the capacity to understand the appeal since they haven't become accustomed to it like you are and like I'm becoming. They're used to poorer gaming conditions, man.
I get the blessing of being able to see how stupid both sides are acting during my transition.
Because PC gamers are entitled jerks who will never be happy with anything. Sorry, I'm just mad about the Dark Souls thing.
In all seriousness, I'm not really sure, I play a lot of games at 30 or less frames. Hell, I play League of Legends at 20 FPS. I think its more of a wanting something to feel more smooth while playing. LoL feels like a river of gravel to me soooooo yeah.
In all seriousness, I'm not really sure, I play a lot of games at 30 or less frames. Hell, I play League of Legends at 20 FPS. I think its more of a wanting something to feel more smooth while playing. LoL feels like a river of gravel to me soooooo yeah.
Sorry, I couldn't disagree with you more, if you're having frame rate issues, you can see it, if you're not, you can't. What you're talking about is frame rate consistency, that is VERY important for shooters but again, when things get busy you'll see any issues you have, and getting the game running smoothly throughout is a cause I can understand,Matthew94 said:
But if you read the OP, you will notice this discussion regards 30+ frame rates, which given that the fluidity ceiling of 20 or so, the OP gives the number, and if you're game is perfectly fluid anyway, what's the point? That was the question, I've yet to see a valid argument that counters my point...
Da Orky Man said:
If you played it at the full 60fps you would never want to play it at 15fps again.trust me.
This thread is still going? Christ.
Well yeah, of course he can. It'll probably be running at ten times the intended speed and the computer will always win because he won't be able to keep up with how fast the ball is moving.Zachary Amaranth said:
Yeah.... even on minecraft there's a major difference between 30-60 fps. If I have sonic shaders on my computer slows down to 15fps which is just unplayable. With everything maxed out without sonic shaders it's around 30fps but the thing is that you can move fast enough to see the tearing, it is really obvious because of the block based nature, moving around at 30fps does create the illusion of movement but you can see each frame happening and there's usually a 5mm-1cm gap between the position of objects in the game as you move, it's really choppy. (That might not seem like much but it is on like a 23 inch monitor and I'm about 70-80cm away from it.
When compared to say a 52 inch tv, the distance you are from that tv makes it harder to see, like you are around 2-3m away from the tv and don't really notice it as much.
But the thing is... it's not being a graphics w**** because I would prefer lower spec graphics and higher frame rates (hence loving Minecraft and older school games like WoW and Battlefield BC 2.
When compared to say a 52 inch tv, the distance you are from that tv makes it harder to see, like you are around 2-3m away from the tv and don't really notice it as much.
But the thing is... it's not being a graphics w**** because I would prefer lower spec graphics and higher frame rates (hence loving Minecraft and older school games like WoW and Battlefield BC 2.
I've seen games run at 60, they don't look any different to me than 30, and I have good eyes. However, below 30 things start getting noticeably chuggier to me, so I would like to have 40-50ish to have some room for more intense scenes to drop the framerate and not go below 30, but that's just me.