What is "True Evil"
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The sadism that nearly all criminals exhibit in some form.
True evil doesn't have to be dramatic or satanic. Adolf Hitler comes from the same equation as every inadequate blaming blacks/whites/Jews/Muslims, and rapist soldiers in the Congo get off in exactly the same way as small-time muggers. People don't like throwing around the word "evil", but evil is not distant or unusual.
Or maybe true evil is just the really fat people who go to the swimming pool then don't ever fucking swim, just float and talk and take up half of the fucking...yeah, those guys are true evil.
True evil doesn't have to be dramatic or satanic. Adolf Hitler comes from the same equation as every inadequate blaming blacks/whites/Jews/Muslims, and rapist soldiers in the Congo get off in exactly the same way as small-time muggers. People don't like throwing around the word "evil", but evil is not distant or unusual.
Or maybe true evil is just the really fat people who go to the swimming pool then don't ever fucking swim, just float and talk and take up half of the fucking...yeah, those guys are true evil.
I'm not saying Satan is crystal clear, but in the bible, Satan killed 7 people (I think) While god managed to off 2 million+. not to mention the floods. Satan is most definitely the lesser evil. And Satan tainted humans to go against god, given the evil god seems to be spreading, I'd say that wasn't evil at all.secondcircle said:
Both Good and Evil don't exist, they are just ideas (which are bullet prof by the way) that a rather clever cave-man/woman came up with to stop the cave-kids hitting each other. No matter what your believe system (assuming you haven't made up one of your own), go far enough back in time and you get to a point where good, evil and morality its self did not exist, there for it is just an idea that every individual sets there own boundaries that only effect you if you allow it.
To secondcircle: God ruined things for humanity,1. before Adam and Eve ate the apples they had no concept of right or wrong (something god conveniently deprived them of).
2. God made a tree called 'THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE'(insert dramatic music here), told them not to eat from it and then put it on their front door.
3. God was the one that did the punishing, he could have just punished A&E (leave their unborn kids out of it) but instead choice to punish all of us, you know that teacher who gives everyone detention because one kid spoke out of turn, same thing.
4. The actions of the devil actually liberated humanity, in Eden we where essentially lobotomized creatures, blindly following the orders of someone who CLAIMS to be the ultimate good and APPARENTLY has the authority to rule us, after 'the fall' we where given the gift of choice.
If god was the first thing in the universe how can he/she be good, it is logicically impossible.
I agree with Robert Ewing completely, I someone has free will their going to exercise it, any one who try's to stop this is a fascist dictator (yes in this case this includes god).secondcircle said:
To secondcircle: God ruined things for humanity,1. before Adam and Eve ate the apples they had no concept of right or wrong (something god conveniently deprived them of).
2. God made a tree called 'THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE'(insert dramatic music here), told them not to eat from it and then put it on their front door.
3. God was the one that did the punishing, he could have just punished A&E (leave their unborn kids out of it) but instead choice to punish all of us, you know that teacher who gives everyone detention because one kid spoke out of turn, same thing.
4. The actions of the devil actually liberated humanity, in Eden we where essentially lobotomized creatures, blindly following the orders of someone who CLAIMS to be the ultimate good and APPARENTLY has the authority to rule us, after 'the fall' we where given the gift of choice.
If god was the first thing in the universe how can he/she be good, it is logicically impossible.
I do believe there is good and evil. Though I do mostly believe most people are in the grey area. But people who murder/rape/sell people as slaves are the "monsters" we were told about. These people don't care for their fellow humans and would probably sell off their own family to save their own hide.
I don't care what anyone about "good and evil arn't real." when someone would risk their life to save another that is good in my opinion. And I mean they do it for no reason then just to save a life. They don't want anything in return. Though there nothing wrong with getting something in saving someone life, but still that was not the point.
Evil is someone who, like a lot of people said, do things for the sheer pleasure of hurting others. Like the guy who bash the baby head in because "He didn't want it." Please tell me how this guy isn't evil? He kill a baby just because he didn't want it. He didn't give up for adaption which sounds like the right thing to do. But anyways its opinion what people think. I just think its a bit naive to think there is no good or evil when there is a lot of examples of these things happen.
Also just to say, I do believe in 2nd chances and redemption but only if the person feel absolute regret for what he/she done.
I don't care what anyone about "good and evil arn't real." when someone would risk their life to save another that is good in my opinion. And I mean they do it for no reason then just to save a life. They don't want anything in return. Though there nothing wrong with getting something in saving someone life, but still that was not the point.
Evil is someone who, like a lot of people said, do things for the sheer pleasure of hurting others. Like the guy who bash the baby head in because "He didn't want it." Please tell me how this guy isn't evil? He kill a baby just because he didn't want it. He didn't give up for adaption which sounds like the right thing to do. But anyways its opinion what people think. I just think its a bit naive to think there is no good or evil when there is a lot of examples of these things happen.
Also just to say, I do believe in 2nd chances and redemption but only if the person feel absolute regret for what he/she done.
....giygas from earthbound.
That's about the closest thing to pure evil that I can imagine. He's no longer really physical. He's an unstoppable force of pure malice and insanity that wants nothing less than to turn all reality into a hellish living nightmare of death.
That's about the closest thing to pure evil that I can imagine. He's no longer really physical. He's an unstoppable force of pure malice and insanity that wants nothing less than to turn all reality into a hellish living nightmare of death.
Actually, not even all Christians are fully set on the idea that it was Satan as a snake that Eve met in the garden, or even that Lucifer and Satan are even the same person. Satan is a title ("the opposer"), no less, not a name. Also, from the story perspective, becoming less ignorant by learning of good and evil is arguably better than if they had simply allowed themselves to remain ignorant under God's command forever - Never becoming anything more than blissful lab rats; pets.secondcircle said:
OT: No such thing as "True Evil", frankly. No human being alive considers themselves "evil", as anything "truly" evil does not stop to ask itself if it is evil. There are only good actions, and harmful actions in this world in the end. "Good" and "Evil" with capital letters are loaded, religious terms in the end.
A "Truely Evil" person will doing the following.
Birth: Strangle mother and doctor with umbilical cord.
Age 5: Piss in sippy cups at preschool or kindergarten.
Early teens: Fire crackers in school lockers.
18 to 21: Slash a few tires, cut some breaks, and throw a few molotov cocktails.
Adulthood: This mofo now has his own evil lair, army, and technology.
Birth: Strangle mother and doctor with umbilical cord.
Age 5: Piss in sippy cups at preschool or kindergarten.
Early teens: Fire crackers in school lockers.
18 to 21: Slash a few tires, cut some breaks, and throw a few molotov cocktails.
Adulthood: This mofo now has his own evil lair, army, and technology.
All evil that is evil is true evil. That is, the dark intent which follows through with a wicked act - any kind - is evil, and they must all be true evil because the intent was malevolent in nature.
Actually murder can be justifiable in that the removal of a certain person from society would improve it. Killing a serial killer, serial rapist, terrorist before he can pull the trigger etc.viranimus said:
Rape can't be justified in any way as there is no situation in which rape can help someone, or better society.
Raping a serial killer would, I dunno, make the problem worse rather than better for example.
