What is "True Evil"

[Haelium]

Rape is one of the few crimes with literally no justification.

Sorry, but if you can justify murder, you can justify rape.

Please, go ahead, try.

Let's say you had just invaded a country, and the soldiers wanted to rape the Dictator. Or maybe just the dictators wife who had many opportunities to kill the dictator.

Or Bankers who move assets to their wives so they cannot be seized by the state. I think it would be OK to rape those men and women.

"I'm going to rape you because you didn't kill your husband" ?

If he was committing genocide yeah. "Evil triumphs when good men do nothing."

 

[aegix drakan_v1legacy]

....giygas from earthbound.

That's about the closest thing to pure evil that I can imagine. He's no longer really physical. He's an unstoppable force of pure malice and insanity that wants nothing less than to turn all reality into a hellish living nightmare of death.

 

[Nouw]

The forces of Chaos!

Oh wait! *Looks at Chaotic Evil.

I'd say your Avatar kinda qualifies

Oh delicious irony

My avatar is the mascot of Megadeth, known as Vic Rattlehead. He embodies the saying "Hear no evil, see no evil, do no evil."

 

[ShadowsofHope]

Satan isn't evil at all really, if you go for the original Satan, and not the Gothic pop culture version- Then Satan was the lord of music, who was cast of of heaven and into hell for questioning god. That's it, nothing more! And then we damn him as the lord of all evil for having free will? Tbh, I'd say god was more evil, for damning his life to a eternity of fire and anguish for having free will.

Yeah, but then Satan decided to tempt Eve and ruin things for humanity just to spite God. If he was just trying to revenge himself on God or the other angels that'd be one thing, but he relishes in tainting humanity who are innocent of the affair.

Actually, not even all Christians are fully set on the idea that it was Satan as a snake that Eve met in the garden, or even that Lucifer and Satan are even the same person. Satan is a title ("the opposer"), no less, not a name. Also, from the story perspective, becoming less ignorant by learning of good and evil is arguably better than if they had simply allowed themselves to remain ignorant under God's command forever - Never becoming anything more than blissful lab rats; pets.

OT: No such thing as "True Evil", frankly. No human being alive considers themselves "evil", as anything "truly" evil does not stop to ask itself if it is evil. There are only good actions, and harmful actions in this world in the end. "Good" and "Evil" with capital letters are loaded, religious terms in the end.

 

[Free Thinker]

A "Truely Evil" person will doing the following.
Birth: Strangle mother and doctor with umbilical cord.
Age 5: Piss in sippy cups at preschool or kindergarten.
Early teens: Fire crackers in school lockers.
18 to 21: Slash a few tires, cut some breaks, and throw a few molotov cocktails.
Adulthood: This mofo now has his own evil lair, army, and technology.

 

[FalloutJack]

All evil that is evil is true evil. That is, the dark intent which follows through with a wicked act - any kind - is evil, and they must all be true evil because the intent was malevolent in nature.

 

[Byere]

In the words of Carolinus, the Green Wizard of Nature's Realm, "...good would be totally impotent without the contrast of evil."

So yea, if it wasn't for evil happening, we wouldn't see any goodness in the world. And vice versa, of course...

 

[Darknacht]

Causing suffering just to cause suffering.

 

[InfectedStar]

True Evil is Michael Atkinson, that b*****d.

 

[Mr.Numbers]

Rape is one of the few crimes with literally no justification.

Sorry, but if you can justify murder, you can justify rape.

Please, go ahead, try.

...................../sigh

Really? You took it to mean I was justifying rape, when common sense would tell you that its saying you cant justify murder either.

If I had more time to play with I might be compelled to play devils advocate just to further discussion, but I have only been lingering around here because I sort of anticipated someone would misread my statement.

But no.. theres no justification for rape or murder.

Actually murder can be justifiable in that the removal of a certain person from society would improve it. Killing a serial killer, serial rapist, terrorist before he can pull the trigger etc.

Rape can't be justified in any way as there is no situation in which rape can help someone, or better society.

Raping a serial killer would, I dunno, make the problem worse rather than better for example.

 

[triggrhappy94]

Minecraft when you're trying to be productive

 

[Aetera]

Good and evil are just subjective cultural constructs. True evil doesn't exist. It's all subjective.

 

[Astoria]

True evil is an act of evil with no real reason other then 'because I could'.

Then how about "because I wanted to"?

"Could" refers to a possibility/ capability...but "wanted" refers to volition/ autonomy/ choice. Just because you could doesn't always mean that you also wanted to.

The fact that this hypothetical person did this evil act, just because they could do it, means that they wanted to. The want is implied. Common sense should tell you this.

 

[Indeterminacy]

Actually murder can be justifiable in that the removal of a certain person from society would improve it. Killing a serial killer, serial rapist, terrorist before he can pull the trigger etc.

Rape can't be justified in any way as there is no situation in which rape can help someone, or better society.

Hypothetical scenario:

Women collectively decide they've had enough. Childbearing is denied by collective decision. The human race ends in 60 years unless men decide to acquiesce to their demands.

Plausible (though I would personally disagree with it) justification - the human race must continue.

 

[Mr.Numbers]

Ok, now this took me a few days to do so sorry for the necro post but:

I will now quote each poster in order who stated that there is no such thing as actual evil and that it's just a mindset people use.

I will quote each person, (Snipped) and then, in reverse chronological order and in increasing obscurity, list a truly evil person and the movie they starred in (Time based on date of movie).

All of these people are nonfictional.

snip

Zodiac, 2007.
Person: The Zodiac Killer, murdering

MAJOR snip

Also 2007, Albert Fish ( Played by Oto Brezina)
Person: Albert Fish

Snip

The hunt for the BTK killer, 2005
Person: Dennis Radar

snip

Read the Silence Of The Lambs one for you, but I have to do this chronologically after all

A 2005 vintage classic, one of my favourites, wolf creek. It was based off two awful people so I shall give it to two people.

People: Bradley Murdoch and Ivan Robert Marko Milat

snip

HH Holmes, America's first Serial killer.

Person: HH Holmes.

snip

Snip

The Hillside Strangler, 2004

People: The Hillside Stranglers
Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianci

Snip

Monster, 2003
Person: Aileen Wuornos

Snip

Dahmer, 2002
Person: Jeffrey Dahmer

Snip

Also 2002, Ted Bundy.
Person: Ted Bundy (Played by Michael Reilly Burke)

Snip

Summer of Sam 1999
Person: Son of Sam, David Berkowhitz.

Snip

Killer: A journal of a murder
Person: Carl Panzram

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Citzen X, 1995
Person: Andrea Chikatilo ( He savagely murdered 52 young victoms (Mostly under 16), always gouging out the still alive victoms eyes, usually biting the nipples off.

snip

To Catch a Killer, 1992
Person: John Wayne Gacy. Pure unbridled evil. Makes Pennywise the Clown go: Damn tone it down a little please.

Snip

The Silence of The Lambs, 1991
Person: Gary Heidnik (The most evil person on this list)

Snip

Henry: Portrait of a serial killer
Person: Henry Lee Lucas, who murdered for fun, buying a boat and feeding the entire crew to crocodiles live was one of his many practical jokes.

Radical difference in moral opinion.

Manhunter, 1986
Person: Dennis Radar, the BTK killer (Again)

snip

Murder by Decree, 1979
Person: Jack the ripper (Killing, disembowling and eating and simultaneously raping the intestinal tract)

snip

Eaten Alive, 1977
Person: Joe Ball

Subjective

Frenzy, 1972
Person: Jack the Stripper

Snip

The Honeymoon Killers, 1970
People: martha Black and Raymond Fernandez

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The Boston Strangler, 1968
Person: Albert DeSalvo

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Psycho, 1960
Person: Ed Gein (When the police arrested him he had 9 decomposing vulva in a shoebox under his bed, a belt made of nipples and a lampshade made out of a womans face)

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The Flesh and The Fiends, 1959
People: Burke And Hare: The body Snatchers, who would kill people and sell their bodies as medical research cadavers despite owning a successful hotel.

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Monsieur Verdoux, 1947
Person: The Modern Bluebeard, Henri Landrou

And now for the last, and in a way first, two movies to finish off this meeting of the pure unbridled evil.

Shadow of A Doubt, 1943
Person: Earle Leonard Nelson

M, 1931
Person: The Dusseldorf Vampire

I'm not just MrNumbers, I'm MrByTheNumbers, and I hope you enjoyed losing all faith in humanity looking into the biography of the person I put you with. Thank you very much, but there is true evil in the world.

 

[Twilight_guy]

An abstract idea that exist as the antithesis of a society's notion of "true good." If we have concepts of what makes a man "good" then by extension something must make him "bad" or less "good." Humans need to categorize and label so notions of "good" and "proper" always evolve and thus notions of "bad" and "improper" exist as their opposite. Humans are programmed in such a way that when society forms the notions of good and bad follow and so too evil and true evil. If you want something more then that you need to talk to an anthropologist or a religious leader.

 

[Wuggy]

Snip

You are:

1) A genius.
2) A person with too much time on their hands.
3) Still wrong.

 

[Mr.Numbers]

An abstract idea that exist as the antithesis of a society's notion of "true good." If we have concepts of what makes a man "good" then by extension something must make him "bad" or less "good." Humans need to categorize and label so notions of "good" and "proper" always evolve and thus notions of "bad" and "improper" exist as their opposite. Humans are programmed in such a way that when society forms the notions of good and bad follow and so too evil and true evil. If you want something more then that you need to talk to an anthropologist or a religious leader.

Hey look, I do still have 2 spaces at the bottom of my list, want to be added?

Snip

You are:

1) A genius.
2) A person with too much time on their hands.
3) Still wrong.

Gary Heidnik: http://www.newcriminologist.com/article.asp?cid=107&nid=10

For fun, Gary kidnapped nearly a dozen women and superglued them into shackles, locking them in his cellar. After daily rapings and beatings no longer sufficed, he flooded a part of the basement and filled it with faulty wiring, so he could get off on the electrocution of his victims, until one of them died. When one of his victims died he would grind them up into a food processor and serve them as the only meal to the remaining victims.

When fearing they were conspiring an escape, he used wooden skewers (Like for chicken kebabs) to impale the eardrums of all but one of his victims.

All they would have daily is dogfood (And a few times one of their fellow victims) and rape, day in, day out, for years.

Gary Heidnik did all of this for fun.

Tell me how this man is not evil.

 

[Atticus89]

True evil is doing an evil act and feeling nothing from it. No joy, no guilt, no sorrow, no remorse. The act is done solely to be done and for no reason other than its execution.

What is deemed as evil is another kettle of fish.

 

[Twilight_guy]

An abstract idea that exist as the antithesis of a society's notion of "true good." If we have concepts of what makes a man "good" then by extension something must make him "bad" or less "good." Humans need to categorize and label so notions of "good" and "proper" always evolve and thus notions of "bad" and "improper" exist as their opposite. Humans are programmed in such a way that when society forms the notions of good and bad follow and so too evil and true evil. If you want something more then that you need to talk to an anthropologist or a religious leader.

Hey look, I do still have 2 spaces at the bottom of my list, want to be added?

That silly list you have above of snipped quotes and arbitrary history figures? Whatever makes you happy. I didn't make this post to argue with you, I made it to state something about the world that I it has taken me 21 years to fully come up with and I honestly hold as one of the core notions of how I understand the world. It's as close as I'm ever going to come to the anthropological interpretation and I think that is the right interpretation. What you choose to do now is your choice. I'll take the red pill and you take the blue pill.