What is "True Evil"
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Yeah, but then Satan decided to tempt Eve and ruin things for humanity just to spite God. If he was just trying to revenge himself on God or the other angels that'd be one thing, but he relishes in tainting humanity who are innocent of the affair.Robert Ewing said:
True evil: the strongest viewpoint/action/policy/stance/agenda(political or otherwise) that directly opposes, strongly conflicts or impedes your own.
I've thought long and hard about this and to me true evil is doing something evil for no reason. If you commit an evil act for revenge or for achieving power they are not pure evil because there is a reason behind them. But don't get me wrong, it's still bad. However, if you commit and evil act for no other reason than just because you wanted to commit the act, that is true evil to me.Albino Assassin said:Okay so the title pretty tells you everything but just incase...
I want to know what the escapists idea on "True Evil" is. No I am not doing this for any particular reason I am just curious...
True evil is evil that is evil just because it is evil. A truly evil person does not do evil things because they want revenge or money or change or power, an evil person does evil things because they want to, and for no other reason. An evil person may burn a complete stranger's house to the ground with them inside, simply because he/she wants to kill that person and burn their posessions. As soon as you add a motive to the actions, the evil is no longer "true."
There is no such thing. At least objectively. The universe will never judge you, so evil does not exist naturally. If you want to know what it is subjectively though, I would suggest you ask yourself what YOU believe to be "true evil".Albino Assassin said:Okay so the title pretty tells you everything but just incase...
I want to know what the escapists idea on "True Evil" is. No I am not doing this for any particular reason I am just curious...
Incabable of caring for anybody else other than yourself, lack of sympathy towards everything (by these means hitler is only 80% evil) and willingness to do anything to achieve something, against his own morals or not.
One definition could be: Doing something which hinders, burdens or hurts someone else, with absolutely no possitive gain for yourself.
For example, kicking your best friend in the balls when you hate seeing your freinds in pain. That's just so evil it hurts.
However, there is also cutting of a dudes dick. That's beyond True Evil, that's Pure True Evil.
For example, kicking your best friend in the balls when you hate seeing your freinds in pain. That's just so evil it hurts.
However, there is also cutting of a dudes dick. That's beyond True Evil, that's Pure True Evil.
Inflicting pain and/or suffering on another human being solely to satisfy some selfish gain.
EDIT: That gain could be money, or pleasure, or just the desire "to watch the world burn" as many have pointed out. The point is, true evil makes others suffer in order to satisfy its own desires, however logical or chaotic they may be.
Rape, murder*, taking enjoyment out of someone else's suffering**, these would all fall under that umbrella.
*By murder, I don't include killing in self defense, or killing in a war situation, or this...
(And now I've just been added to an FBI watch list...)
**I'm not talking about laughing at the guys from Jackass or laughing at your friend because he tripped and fell or laughing at the melodramatic emo teenager. I'm talking about TRUE suffering: people who are genuinely starving/hurting/grieving/dying.
Ungh, I hate semantics.
EDIT: That gain could be money, or pleasure, or just the desire "to watch the world burn" as many have pointed out. The point is, true evil makes others suffer in order to satisfy its own desires, however logical or chaotic they may be.
Rape, murder*, taking enjoyment out of someone else's suffering**, these would all fall under that umbrella.
*By murder, I don't include killing in self defense, or killing in a war situation, or this...
...which I wouldn't even call "murder," I'd call it "natural justice." Then again, I tend to agree with Frank Castle on this point: "In some extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it becomes necessary to act outside the law, to pursue natural justice."Angerwing said:
(And now I've just been added to an FBI watch list...)
**I'm not talking about laughing at the guys from Jackass or laughing at your friend because he tripped and fell or laughing at the melodramatic emo teenager. I'm talking about TRUE suffering: people who are genuinely starving/hurting/grieving/dying.
Ungh, I hate semantics.
Good and evil are a bit archaic.
What I believe we've always intended to associated the two with is altruism and selfishness. We consider the man who runs into a burning building to save a child a hero, while we consider the man who flees a burning building leaving a child behind to be a coward. This is applicable to even those actions considered especially heinous, as a human can be killed to protect a life but it is considered wrong to kill a fellow human to satisfy a personal urge.
What I believe we've always intended to associated the two with is altruism and selfishness. We consider the man who runs into a burning building to save a child a hero, while we consider the man who flees a burning building leaving a child behind to be a coward. This is applicable to even those actions considered especially heinous, as a human can be killed to protect a life but it is considered wrong to kill a fellow human to satisfy a personal urge.
When you can provide something everyone wants at a wave of your hand and you decide not to for no tangible reason. That means YOU Nintendo of America! *Shakes fist*
The sadism that nearly all criminals exhibit in some form.
True evil doesn't have to be dramatic or satanic. Adolf Hitler comes from the same equation as every inadequate blaming blacks/whites/Jews/Muslims, and rapist soldiers in the Congo get off in exactly the same way as small-time muggers. People don't like throwing around the word "evil", but evil is not distant or unusual.
Or maybe true evil is just the really fat people who go to the swimming pool then don't ever fucking swim, just float and talk and take up half of the fucking...yeah, those guys are true evil.
True evil doesn't have to be dramatic or satanic. Adolf Hitler comes from the same equation as every inadequate blaming blacks/whites/Jews/Muslims, and rapist soldiers in the Congo get off in exactly the same way as small-time muggers. People don't like throwing around the word "evil", but evil is not distant or unusual.
Or maybe true evil is just the really fat people who go to the swimming pool then don't ever fucking swim, just float and talk and take up half of the fucking...yeah, those guys are true evil.
I'm not saying Satan is crystal clear, but in the bible, Satan killed 7 people (I think) While god managed to off 2 million+. not to mention the floods. Satan is most definitely the lesser evil. And Satan tainted humans to go against god, given the evil god seems to be spreading, I'd say that wasn't evil at all.secondcircle said:
Both Good and Evil don't exist, they are just ideas (which are bullet prof by the way) that a rather clever cave-man/woman came up with to stop the cave-kids hitting each other. No matter what your believe system (assuming you haven't made up one of your own), go far enough back in time and you get to a point where good, evil and morality its self did not exist, there for it is just an idea that every individual sets there own boundaries that only effect you if you allow it.
To secondcircle: God ruined things for humanity,1. before Adam and Eve ate the apples they had no concept of right or wrong (something god conveniently deprived them of).
2. God made a tree called 'THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE'(insert dramatic music here), told them not to eat from it and then put it on their front door.
3. God was the one that did the punishing, he could have just punished A&E (leave their unborn kids out of it) but instead choice to punish all of us, you know that teacher who gives everyone detention because one kid spoke out of turn, same thing.
4. The actions of the devil actually liberated humanity, in Eden we where essentially lobotomized creatures, blindly following the orders of someone who CLAIMS to be the ultimate good and APPARENTLY has the authority to rule us, after 'the fall' we where given the gift of choice.
If god was the first thing in the universe how can he/she be good, it is logicically impossible.
I agree with Robert Ewing completely, I someone has free will their going to exercise it, any one who try's to stop this is a fascist dictator (yes in this case this includes god).secondcircle said:
To secondcircle: God ruined things for humanity,1. before Adam and Eve ate the apples they had no concept of right or wrong (something god conveniently deprived them of).
2. God made a tree called 'THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE'(insert dramatic music here), told them not to eat from it and then put it on their front door.
3. God was the one that did the punishing, he could have just punished A&E (leave their unborn kids out of it) but instead choice to punish all of us, you know that teacher who gives everyone detention because one kid spoke out of turn, same thing.
4. The actions of the devil actually liberated humanity, in Eden we where essentially lobotomized creatures, blindly following the orders of someone who CLAIMS to be the ultimate good and APPARENTLY has the authority to rule us, after 'the fall' we where given the gift of choice.
If god was the first thing in the universe how can he/she be good, it is logicically impossible.
I do believe there is good and evil. Though I do mostly believe most people are in the grey area. But people who murder/rape/sell people as slaves are the "monsters" we were told about. These people don't care for their fellow humans and would probably sell off their own family to save their own hide.
I don't care what anyone about "good and evil arn't real." when someone would risk their life to save another that is good in my opinion. And I mean they do it for no reason then just to save a life. They don't want anything in return. Though there nothing wrong with getting something in saving someone life, but still that was not the point.
Evil is someone who, like a lot of people said, do things for the sheer pleasure of hurting others. Like the guy who bash the baby head in because "He didn't want it." Please tell me how this guy isn't evil? He kill a baby just because he didn't want it. He didn't give up for adaption which sounds like the right thing to do. But anyways its opinion what people think. I just think its a bit naive to think there is no good or evil when there is a lot of examples of these things happen.
Also just to say, I do believe in 2nd chances and redemption but only if the person feel absolute regret for what he/she done.
I don't care what anyone about "good and evil arn't real." when someone would risk their life to save another that is good in my opinion. And I mean they do it for no reason then just to save a life. They don't want anything in return. Though there nothing wrong with getting something in saving someone life, but still that was not the point.
Evil is someone who, like a lot of people said, do things for the sheer pleasure of hurting others. Like the guy who bash the baby head in because "He didn't want it." Please tell me how this guy isn't evil? He kill a baby just because he didn't want it. He didn't give up for adaption which sounds like the right thing to do. But anyways its opinion what people think. I just think its a bit naive to think there is no good or evil when there is a lot of examples of these things happen.
Also just to say, I do believe in 2nd chances and redemption but only if the person feel absolute regret for what he/she done.