What is "True Evil"
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Pretty much.Cazza said:
Evil is subjective depending on who you talk to and what culture they are part of.
However, one thing is always the same; when you do things simply for your benefit. Without any remorse for your actions and without any sort of guilt or good conscience, then that is evil.
It can vary, of course. From a serial killer who really doesn't care about their actions to a sociopath who likes to fuck with people and destroy relationships because... they just enjoy it, it's all a brand of evil.
Different degrees of evil, yes but still evil with no form of regret.
Im going to sound like a bad guy here. Since I love hate mail so much though I will go with it.
The most basic example of morality I give is this. You are the leader of a rising nation, a nation that has faltered in a past war. You served in this war. You saw your freinds die, you saw your nation burn. You are now at the helm of this nation. Their leader, you are convinced that a certain group of people is stopping you from rebuilding, would you not stop them? This may be a pathetic justification for what Hitler did, yet it after running a little test on my freinds. Most would do what he did. In no way was he right. Yet its easy to see what he was doing when you look at it from a diffrent view. I call this Extreme Rationalizing, there are many terms that are directly connected. Power Corrupts, absoulte power corrupts absouluty is one. Lots of people think that swift action keeps power in check, yet the people of the lower class will almost always see this as tyrany, in which in normal is.
The most basic example of morality I give is this. You are the leader of a rising nation, a nation that has faltered in a past war. You served in this war. You saw your freinds die, you saw your nation burn. You are now at the helm of this nation. Their leader, you are convinced that a certain group of people is stopping you from rebuilding, would you not stop them? This may be a pathetic justification for what Hitler did, yet it after running a little test on my freinds. Most would do what he did. In no way was he right. Yet its easy to see what he was doing when you look at it from a diffrent view. I call this Extreme Rationalizing, there are many terms that are directly connected. Power Corrupts, absoulte power corrupts absouluty is one. Lots of people think that swift action keeps power in check, yet the people of the lower class will almost always see this as tyrany, in which in normal is.
Evil is the lack of good!
What is good you ask?
Good is the lack of evil!
Hope I helped shed some light on the situation.
What is good you ask?
Good is the lack of evil!
Hope I helped shed some light on the situation.
Evil is merely a label slapped onto events/acts that an individual or a society deems "wrong" and/or reprehensible. Our meager attempts at trying to dictate how the universe goes, is quite silly to be honest. Sorta like our whole time arrangement, but I digress on that. What may seem "Evil" to one, may seem normal to another. That, or it could simply be one embracing apathy and/or showing a general lack of caring about social stigmas, taboos, etc; along with doing what one merely wishes to do, regardless if it hurts another or not.
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It appears you are confusing Evil with Insane. Evil was not a driving force in the situations you mentioned. Only their outcome is perceived as evil. No sane person derives pleasure from torturing other human beings to death. I'm sorry, but at least to me your argument seemed invalid.Mr.Numbers said:
Actually he just preserved the woman's face in a jar, I'm not sure about the shoebox or the belt, but all Gein is really famous for was putting heads in jarsMr.Numbers said:
Actually this is what makes them evil. Some were insane true, but John Wayne Gacy was perfectly sane when he did the things he did, as was the Citzen X.Russian_Assassin said:
Both enjoyed illustrious careers in the public eye, and Gacy was hailed for his commmunity service work, even meeting the First Lady to commend him for his work.
You learn one thing around police officers, gentleman.
Never ever underestimate human sadism.
Because evil is based entirely upon someone's opinion. You find that evil, but I don't. This is because in most cases there are compelling factors that cause things like this to happen, like sociopathy (where your mind cannot comprehend emotions properly), or poor intelligence. Coupled with loads of other factors.Mr.Numbers said:
People have been killing each other since the dawn of our species in very cruel ways; it's better to view it as a sad fact of life, and finding ways to prevent it. Pigeon-holing it as inherently good or evil behaviour neglects the actual causes of this behaviour, meaning future behaviour may not be noticed.
And even though no-one in your list deserves to be called evil, they all did very sick things and deserve punishment/rehabilitation. Society commonly denies them that. For example, the Yorkshire Ripper, who killed several women in the 70's, is pretty much cured from what was mental illness (this is the opinion of one psychiatrist I personally know). However, he's never being released because politicians are fucking around with the prison system.
Why is someone who is effectively cured being held for the rest of his life because voices in his head told him to kill women? Because the public views murder in terms of good/evil, and no politician has the guts to do the right thing.
After reading most of the Walking Dead comic, I can safely say that the governor is truly pure evil.
He makes people food for the zombies, rapes Michonne repeatedly and then killed half the survivors in the prison. He is one sick bastard
Mr.Numbers said:
All these seem evil to you, but if you enter the mindset of these people, this, in their heads would be the right thing to do. There is no such thing as evil, just different ideals of what is good. To me for someone to be evil they have to know what they are doing is evil, have complete control of what there doing is evil, and no that no good will ever come from what they have done, and I don't think anyone has ever acted in that way, EVER.
-Serial Killers, NOT EVIL- most of the time their actions are out of their control.
-Dictators, NOT EVIL- Greed by all definition can't be considered evil
Even the most notorious evil man himself
-Adolf Hitler, NOT EVIL-He was aspiring for something better, a superior race, being wrong does not make you evil, It makes you a complete fucking idiot (Who did deserve to die along with all the other Nazis) does not make you evil.
Racist- ignorance is not evil
Humans are never truly evil
Good and bad are subjective, thus no true good or true evil exists. Just more leaning to one side or the other. Rape being the only example of the top of my head that I'm cool with people denoting as objectively evil.
Hmm....Albino Assassin said:Okay so the title pretty tells you everything but just incase...
I want to know what the escapists idea on "True Evil" is. No I am not doing this for any particular reason I am just curious...
Right now, probably this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrvDhSB7GHk
I consider evil anyone that demands the sacrifice of another for any reason especially on the grounds of "need". I can think of nothing more repugnant than a society in which my money is taken from me and distributed to others because of their "need". There are other things I consider evil but that is the greatest I've yet to discover.