What is with Final Fantasy Tactics?

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Calibanbutcher

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This is my favourite game ever.
I never played through any game as often and thouroughly as FFTWOTL.
I absolutely LOVE this game.
So much so, that I made an entire party of maxed out Dark Knights.
And one of Dancer-Ninjas
And one of Bard-Mages.
And one of Ninja-Arithmeticians.
And I just realized I spent too much time on this game
 

MDSnowman

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My act 1 tips?

Make someone a monk, STAT. The game has squat for heavy armor early on, so if you want a knight he's going to be slow and not all that much tougher than your squires. The monk is really the first combat focused class you get that will make it worth the time. Their unarmed damage is primo early on, and their class skills are useful. (Wave fist is a great alternative to throw stone for example, and chakra can heal in a pinch). What's more, monks are fast. They can cover a lot of ground quickly, always useful if you need to get someone on target quickly.

Play it safe. The game doesn't throw many black mages and what not at you until the Dorter Slums mission, therefore don't worry about being bunched up. Let the enemies come to you. That way when they get in close you can pounce and rip those pesky enemy chemists and chocobos to shreds. Also if you're bunched up your white mage's heals can help more than one party member easily. Later in the game identify enemy casters and archers and make sure they die very very quickly.

Have goals in mind. Know what kind of party you want! Assign people with high Brave scores to melee classes, people with high faith to caster classes. My usual method is to get a white mage several different flavors of cure spells, and then the White spell (my favorite way of handling everyone's favorite Act 2 turn coat) and then train him or her up as a summoner. Summoner spells take a while, but they have large areas (the entire map at the high end) and never risk friendly fire. You can take some of the bite out of the summoner charge time with the short charge ability from the time mage class. My first time play WoL I wanted a dark knight in the worst way... the god awful requirements be damned. I even made two other black mage characters specifically to have them learn expensive black mage spells and cast them on my designated Dark Knight wannabe so she could have a chance of learning those spells without paying the JP cost. Ramza usually ends up doing a tour of all the lightly armored classes when I play. He'll eventually put in a lot of time as a rogue because some of the game's best gear can only be ruthlessly stolen. Time in the Ninja class for the two swords ability (and sometimes the crazy speed bonus skill). You want spike damage? Dual wielding two knight swords is tough to beat in that regard.
 

Sean0925

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It starts off fairly difficult due to lack of classes and equipment but as you go on and get used to the game and have more customisation available to you it gets a fair bit easier, especially with certain storyline characters who join your group who pretty much overshadow your generic units by a long way (Orlandeu and Balthier to name two).

The only difficulty I had later in the game was random encounters because you can't see what you're going to be fighting beforehand and the amount of times I sent out a lower level'd group to get them some Exp and JP group against a bunch of dragons was frustrating.
 

Chris Beck

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Sit down sonny and let me tell you a story. Back in the 90's we had this thing called challenge; games would employ this "challenge" in order to test your skills, give games replay value and get you invested in a system rather than holding your hand while you look at the pretty cinematics. Not only that but we had to walk to school everyday in blizzard conditions.....uphill.......both ways!

Runner-up snarky comment: What is with airline food?
 

galdon2004

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Chris Beck said:
Sit down sonny and let me tell you a story. Back in the 90's we had this thing called challenge; games would employ this "challenge" in order to test your skills, give games replay value and get you invested in a system rather than holding your hand while you look at the pretty cinematics. Not only that but we had to walk to school everyday in blizzard conditions.....uphill.......both ways!

Runner-up snarky comment: What is with airline food?
I was around in the 90s. Those games still had an upwards sloping difficulty curb. This game seems to have a difficulty curb set unusually high, and then goes DOWN as you progress for some weird reason.
 

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galdon2004 said:
I was around in the 90s. Those games still had an upwards sloping difficulty curb. This game seems to have a difficulty curb set unusually high, and then goes DOWN as you progress for some weird reason.
Isn't that all RPG's?

I might get this - not played a decent tactics game in ages and I put 100+ hours into the FFTA on the GBA. My team of viera assassins kicked ass.
 

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You think THAT's hard in FFT? Wait till you get to the bosses! I'm stuck at the second big boss, thanks to the game forcing me into that fight after coming out of a 1-on-1.

You are absolutely right, Final Fantasy Tactics is Nintendo Hard, but that's what I like about it in this age where Ninja Gaiden gets dumbed down. The game will ask for your best thinking to survive, since the AI plays without fault. I can get by by properly zoning their attacks (that's their movement + attack range + 1) and piling enemies.

If you want something more forgiving, FFT Advance is out there, though the Law system in that cheeses me off to no end. At least FFTA2 leaves a reminder on the top screen of the DS.
No, man.

No. Man.

No man.

No.

MAN.

So I'm playing the original on the PS1.
I get to the point in the game where Weigraf transforms into that hideous monster, and has those other two monsters flanking him in the boss fight.
My team was NOWHERE NEAR ready for the battle. I got wiped out pathetically each time I reloaded.

You know what the kicker was?

The game had saved when I reached that point.

And.

I.

Couldn't.

Go.

Back.

To.

Grind.

Hours sank in, and there was no way for me to progress XDXDXDROFLROFLROFLLMAOLOLFUCKINGDAMNITSHITFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- I was so pissed at this design flaw I almost snapped the disc.
 

JCrichton

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loch belthadd said:
scw55 said:
I have no time for a game where you spend effort training and gearing up a unit, to then have it killed for ever.
They only perma-die if you don't get to them in time with a Phoenix Down. You have 3-4 turns before anyone perma-dies.
Also ... reset button. I've used that tactic more than once.
 

Arsen

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Just level up the job skills, get the appropriate job classes, stand around in a circle, and attack/heal your characters for a few hours.

Instant ease.
 

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Hmm... this thread has me loading up the game again. I'm going to give the 1.3 hack [http://www.insanedifficulty.com/index.php/Final%20Fantasy%20Tactics%201.3/home] a try.
 

galdon2004

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-|- said:
galdon2004 said:
I was around in the 90s. Those games still had an upwards sloping difficulty curb. This game seems to have a difficulty curb set unusually high, and then goes DOWN as you progress for some weird reason.
Isn't that all RPG's?

I might get this - not played a decent tactics game in ages and I put 100+ hours into the FFTA on the GBA. My team of viera assassins kicked ass.
No, most RPGS start at their individual easiest stage, and while you do unlock new abilities, the enemies, and especially bosses get stronger as the story progresses. It sort of has a difficulty curb that alternates from rises and plateaus. If the game has a game breaker spell, the point you get access to it though the difficulty drops off completely unless you are doing a self imposed challenge to not use it.
 

WhiteFangofWhoa

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FFT is a textbook example of schizophrenic difficulty. Some battles are quite simple while some as early as the Slums of Dorter will wear your ass as a hat. That said, it's one of my all-time favourites, practically founding the isometric turn-based strategy genre in North America with its unique style and plot. The original's tutorial was the poorest-translated part of a very poorly-translated game, so count your blessings and try again. I promise it's a great experience once you learn the ropes.

I find it unlikely that random encounter you described had more than 3 Chocobos- some don't even have 5 enemies to match your 5. In that situation among others, the idea is to focus down your targets one by one. Don't chase them, let them come to you. Most monsters have a physical Counter ability to make up for their inferior stats compared to human characters. If you plan things out you can get a surround to stop a Chocobo from escaping. Even better, it may be stupid enough to use Choco Cure to keep itself alive, thus healing all of your characters. Remember you can check an enemy's range by pressing X with the cursor over them, and check the turn order by pressing right while selecting a special attack (at least in the original). It's generally good to have at least one long-range attacker to lure the enemy out of their covered positions, even if at the start you're limited to Throw Stone or Archers.

Also if you feel the need to grind levels, the fastest way I've found is simply to spare one enemy at the end of a random fight and just have everyone spam Accumulate or some other buff. In the case of monsters, they'll usually run cowering to a far corner once they're in critical HP, leaving you to gain as much power as you need.
 

bluepotatosack

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Ha, I posted in this thread like 2 and a half years ago. Threadcromancy! But hey, anybody catch that vid Game Historian just put out about FFT? That was some good stuff.
 

Towowo

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Although I really like the game, I'm not a terrible fan of the Brave/Faith mechanic, expecially Faith. I hated the concept of having beneficial magic have a chance to miss so to speak making playing any sort of mage even more worthless in the later stages of the game.