What is with the asian\indian men obsession with white women?
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Maybe it's just part of the whole waifu culture that I don't get, as far as anime goes. It's sweet to grab someone a coke from a machine, or to carry someones bags, but having a female character stand at the table nervously while some douche judges her cooking is just... really strange to me. And more then a little degrading. Damn, son, learn to pack your own damn lunch. That girl is not your mommy.Dansen said:
I'll just chuck it in with bathhouse scenes for "creepy anime cliche's that I don't understand."
I don't really have a racial preference - they're all beautiful to me - but I sure seemed to have better luck with races other than mine. At this point I almost kind of wonder why white people bother dating each other at all, lol.
This is only my opinion from what I read somewhere years back, so my memory is really fuzzy on this. For those who know better please correct me on this.Fox12 said:
From what I understand, this is due to the Japanese traditional culture where once a woman is married, they are expected to quit their jobs and be a full time housewife. So cooking skills are very important to them because if you can't cook, then don't be surprised if your husband ends up having affairs or being divorced outright. Also not very relevant, but I also read that if the husband comes home with another woman not only is she expected to serve them, she is also expected to prepare sleeping arrangements for her husband and the woman.
I don't think this happens nowadays though (maybe), but the stereotype still lives on in anime to enforce the character stereotype.
I lived in China for two years, met my wife (chinese native) there, married her, moved back to the states. Been married for 6 years now.
A lot of the chinese guys I talked to there about the subject would pretty much always say something along the lines of "American women are more open."
That had a couple of, um, connotations. On one hand some meant that they were free spirited and more lively. It's not really a secret that in asian societies they prefer a more docile female. But younger guys seemed to buck that trend.
On the other hand "more open" was also code for "slut". It is not uncommon to meet a 25 year old virgin over there. It's rarer to find someone that age that has actually had sex. Their school lives are so busy, college is a little easier, but their parents still demand a lot of shit out of them.
A lot of the chinese guys I talked to there about the subject would pretty much always say something along the lines of "American women are more open."
That had a couple of, um, connotations. On one hand some meant that they were free spirited and more lively. It's not really a secret that in asian societies they prefer a more docile female. But younger guys seemed to buck that trend.
On the other hand "more open" was also code for "slut". It is not uncommon to meet a 25 year old virgin over there. It's rarer to find someone that age that has actually had sex. Their school lives are so busy, college is a little easier, but their parents still demand a lot of shit out of them.
I like how people are rightly pointing out that sexual preference is not a prejudice. This is an important distinction to make. However, the OP is talking about a widespread trend noticed among a large case study of people. I think that is what the thread was meant to be about.
Oh no... recursive stereotypes! The next generation will be predominantly Asian-Americans. They'll have all the robotronic discipline of an Asian, and the deep burning desire to own land and people of a White person! Who can save us from these amoral Ubermensch?!?Boris Goodenough said:
white guy who grew up with and dated alot of asian girls here and i can tell you i had parents basically begging me to bang their daughters.
got to ask a few girls and parents and the general consensus was that asian guys are scummy would-be criminals and white guys are hard working and honest which is laughable really since i spent that period taking drugs, never studying and banging everyone's daughters and half the asian guys i grew up with are now doctors and lawyers.
There is a really attractive indian lady at my work and every time i mention that to my fellow employees the reaction is always the same "yeah she is pretty good for an idian". no she is pretty good for fucking anyone. she is 10x hotter than your wife and you would carve out your left testicle to be with her if she was just a couple of shades whiter....
I swear australia is more racist than nazi era germany sometimes.
got to ask a few girls and parents and the general consensus was that asian guys are scummy would-be criminals and white guys are hard working and honest which is laughable really since i spent that period taking drugs, never studying and banging everyone's daughters and half the asian guys i grew up with are now doctors and lawyers.
There is a really attractive indian lady at my work and every time i mention that to my fellow employees the reaction is always the same "yeah she is pretty good for an idian". no she is pretty good for fucking anyone. she is 10x hotter than your wife and you would carve out your left testicle to be with her if she was just a couple of shades whiter....
I swear australia is more racist than nazi era germany sometimes.
A few of my relatives have had bad experiences with Indian desperados. Fortunately, mentioning a Jewish background tends to inspire a newfound reluctance to pursue the matter further.
If you have a commanding presence - solid posture, elocution, and personality - you could stand four feet tall in shoes and still elicit a lot of positive attention. Being able to defend yourself definitely helps.manic_depressive13 said:
You aren't wrong. A big contributing factor is the belief that men from Western nations will be more willing to assist with daily tasks around the home-- many a foreigner in Japan will go there with the opposite in mind! In the case of Britons, there is also this hilarious notion that British men are 'gentlemen.' (well-dressed, well-mannered, and well-spoken)Boris Goodenough said:
Speaking as a man, the way to a man's heart is through his stomach, using other routes might get your knife stuck in his ribcage and that's all kinds of bother you don't need. Honestly people, CIRCUMVENT the ribcage by attacking the stomach first and pushing upwards towards the heart...Fox12 said:
...don't know nothing about anything you lot...
Except in vampire movies, when you can poke a guy's chest with a pointy stick and it'll end up straight in the heart.The Harkinator said:
Because they've expressed it as WoC being "less" and something to avoid "settling for".Netscape said:
As an Indian, I don't think we have an obsession with white women. If anything, the majority of India have an obsession with their cultural values from the place they come from. Also yes, sexism is a gigantic problem within a majority of Indian societies. There is a clear divide between the ideologies of the current young adult generation of Indians compared to the generations of their fathers and mothers(note, not applicable to every Indian family obviously).
HOWEVER, there is this thing where 'fairer' skin is looked at as more as being more attractive. Historically, you can attribute that to the kind of thinking towards an idea where people with clearer or fairer skin come from wealthy and respected families. Everyone knows the Mughals bathed in milk to get clearer and whiter skin.
Rural India, still respects the ancient and archaic caste system we have, in the sense that now, castes are seen as communities rather than just nobility. Marriage for a majority of Indians is decided by the family rather than the one who wants to be married. In India, marriages are have a bigger place in society than arguably any other place in the world. It's a chance to earn more money, respect, power, a very vague sense nobility and above all, see that their family name is not tarnished in front of their communities.
HOWEVER! While people want to remain in their own communities, A dalit(essentially the lowest rung of the caste system) would much rather marry into a brahmin(the highest in the caste system) family rather than stay a dalit. Brahmins are typically considered to have fair skin. So there you go. So basically, it's all about maintaining an image in front of others. Fairer skin is considered to be a trait of nobility, wealth and the like. Image and power projection is almost everything in Indian culture despite what people may have you believe.
For example: I come from a Muslim family from a state in India called Kerala. People of Kerala are called Malayali's. My parents are pretty open, they know I drink, smoke occasionally and have a fair-skinned Tamil Hindu girlfriend for years now (only my mom knows I'm agnostic though). However, my parents want me to marry a muslim. HOWEVER, not just any muslim, but a muslim from Kerala and not just any muslim from Kerala, but a family that's within our community or very well known to our community within Kerala(still the best parents in the world tho'). In India, the idea is that families marry, not the bride or groom. Same is true for a good chunk of Indian families out there.
Tl;dr : It's not entirely racism, it's more about stereotypical perceptions of class, wealth and beauty that's heavily ingrained in our culture. For if you have all that, your skin color really doesn't matter. That being said, I know a lot more 'hotter' men and women of darker skinned Indians than I do of fairer skinned Indians. And well, Indians, when they're hot, they're some of the hottest men or women you will ever see in your life. (Silly Patriotism ftw!)
I know it's too long and could be boring, but I hope that answers your question.
HOWEVER, there is this thing where 'fairer' skin is looked at as more as being more attractive. Historically, you can attribute that to the kind of thinking towards an idea where people with clearer or fairer skin come from wealthy and respected families. Everyone knows the Mughals bathed in milk to get clearer and whiter skin.
Rural India, still respects the ancient and archaic caste system we have, in the sense that now, castes are seen as communities rather than just nobility. Marriage for a majority of Indians is decided by the family rather than the one who wants to be married. In India, marriages are have a bigger place in society than arguably any other place in the world. It's a chance to earn more money, respect, power, a very vague sense nobility and above all, see that their family name is not tarnished in front of their communities.
HOWEVER! While people want to remain in their own communities, A dalit(essentially the lowest rung of the caste system) would much rather marry into a brahmin(the highest in the caste system) family rather than stay a dalit. Brahmins are typically considered to have fair skin. So there you go. So basically, it's all about maintaining an image in front of others. Fairer skin is considered to be a trait of nobility, wealth and the like. Image and power projection is almost everything in Indian culture despite what people may have you believe.
For example: I come from a Muslim family from a state in India called Kerala. People of Kerala are called Malayali's. My parents are pretty open, they know I drink, smoke occasionally and have a fair-skinned Tamil Hindu girlfriend for years now (only my mom knows I'm agnostic though). However, my parents want me to marry a muslim. HOWEVER, not just any muslim, but a muslim from Kerala and not just any muslim from Kerala, but a family that's within our community or very well known to our community within Kerala(still the best parents in the world tho'). In India, the idea is that families marry, not the bride or groom. Same is true for a good chunk of Indian families out there.
Tl;dr : It's not entirely racism, it's more about stereotypical perceptions of class, wealth and beauty that's heavily ingrained in our culture. For if you have all that, your skin color really doesn't matter. That being said, I know a lot more 'hotter' men and women of darker skinned Indians than I do of fairer skinned Indians. And well, Indians, when they're hot, they're some of the hottest men or women you will ever see in your life. (Silly Patriotism ftw!)
I know it's too long and could be boring, but I hope that answers your question.
There is a tendency in all cultures globally to paint their women as virtuous and other cultures women as having loose morals.Vault101 said:
Over in China the common image of the white western women is a floozy, particularly if she's blonde (because blondes might as well be aliens in the far east, hair that isn't black? Impossible!). My brief stays in Dubai have been coloured (haha) by the very public perception that all white men are sex pests and all white women are whores, God help the asian woman dating an arabic or white man.
Over here, well, I'm sure you can list off all the stereotypes us westerners have for those easterners.
At a less social level, breeding with someone from the other side of the planet ensures the best possible genetic diversity for the offspring. From an evolutionary stand point it makes perfect sense that members of a species to find mates with diverging genetic traits attractive.
I always considered India to be part of Asia, but anyway. Asians (including Indians) outnumber Caucasians. They are the normals, and we are the exotics.
Why should it be racist to be more attracted to a person with a certain body feature you like. When it isn't racist to be more attracted to people with blue eyes or red hair or even a certain breast size, it shouldn't be racist to be more attracted to people with a black/brown skin color or a certain eye shape.Casual Shinji said:
These are all just body features after all and having a preferance for one doesn't mean you have an irrational hatred towards the other ones.
Phobias notwithstanding, fears very often derive from misinformation or misapprehension. They are calls of conscious judgement to a degree inapplicable to romantic feelings, I would argue.manic_depressive13 said:
As a counterpoint; the vast majority of people prefer one sex to the other, romantically and sexually. Does that make these people sexists? Are bisexuals the only true egalitarians?
Me and my boyfriend have had extensive arguments over the fact that while he is Hispanic, he doesn't typically like other Hispanic men. At first I called him a racist, but that doesn't really fit, because he loves his culture and heritage. We finally settled on a term we both agreed with, "sexual bias". It seems to work as it adequately describes the fact that the person is picky when it comes to who they want sexual/romantic relationships with, but allows for the fact that they are not necessarily prejudiced about "those people" outside of the bedroom.
OT: I have no idea... I am more of an equal opportunist, though I lean more towards other Caucasians. I am Caucasian as well. There are 2 ethnicities that I have the most trouble finding men whom I find attractive. They are Indian and Australian Aborigine. I hold no grudge or negative judgment towards them, but that is my own "sexual bias".
OT: I have no idea... I am more of an equal opportunist, though I lean more towards other Caucasians. I am Caucasian as well. There are 2 ethnicities that I have the most trouble finding men whom I find attractive. They are Indian and Australian Aborigine. I hold no grudge or negative judgment towards them, but that is my own "sexual bias".
From what I understand men are more attracted to women who look unfamiliar to them. Its like a biological reproductive thing. When we actually had to worry about survival as a species men were geared to spread that seed to as many different women as possible. Women are more geared to be attracted to men that look familiar to them because it represents stability and safety. Obviously people are not all the same so you can save the "but im not like that" please. That is why indian men are attracted to white women, white men are attracted to asian women etc. There are also some cultural things that can play into it. Darker skin is tied to being a worker or less well off where as fair skin says you don't have to work in fields things like that.
As someone who is Asian, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I have no preference over the color of women. Then again, I have no preference over women or men in general as I'm asexual and aromantic so maybe I'm not the best person to ask here. But even among my extended family, I rarely see any of my cousins date or marry non-Asian people. So I still don't see this at all.