I see the Liberal Arts as important, but slightly less useful than a scientific degree. However,I believe that culture, as well as science, is needed for civilizations to advance.
What is your definition of the liberal arts?
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Only if you have no emotions. Unless you WANT art, music and writing techniques to stagnate. I don't.Th3Ch33s3Cak3 said:
Anyhow, liberal arts are everything taught in the "Liberal Arts" faculty at my local University. That's traditional art, music, dance, and poetry. That work?
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Wat?Matthew94 said:
I've never seen sarcastic undertones being attacked for being rude, everyone just laughed at the people who couldn't detect them.
Drama, lit, music related, ect. Anything that isn't a science, a math, a psych, or a sociology. Not sure if humanities count or not.
And no, they aren't as "important" as math/science degrees. Ask all the liberal arts graduates with no jobs.
And no, they aren't as "important" as math/science degrees. Ask all the liberal arts graduates with no jobs.
You're upset with Chemical Alia for using for using sarcasm in response to Th3Ch33s3Cak3, right?Matthew94 said:
You compared it to pooping in your hand and throwing it.
I've never seen anyone think that way, and it confuses me. I'm used to the people who just snicker and move on.
Honestly, I'd say it's more of an issue of schools graduating way too many students with no experience into over-crowded and competitive job markets and often completely neglecting vocational applications of their field of study into the curricula than one of importance. No one should expect to be handed a job for having a degree, but a lot of arts students realize this too late.spartan231490 said:
As a wise Big Dogs t-shirt once said, "If you can't run with the Big Dogs, stay on the porch."Matthew94 said:
Forgot to include this:
Culture and science are intertwined in civilization. Directing all our focus on one aspect could be disastrous overall. So before we all dismiss the Lib Arts majors, remember that they have their importance too.
My professor wants me to write an essay on that very subject. It needs to address liberal arts in a Socratic method as the process of reasoning. It's all very much confusing and wrapped up a ton of prerequisite knowledge but basically there is more then the fact and rules of math and science and the questioning and reasoning of liberal arts is important. In all honestly I don't give two shits about what subjects are liberal arts or not because people throw around the term so much its lost all meaning.
I've always found the dismissal of liberal arts to be born out of ignorance not only of what liberal arts actually are, but also how integral they are to life. If given proper instruction on how liberal arts affect even themselves on an intimate and personal level, I doubt anyone would reject them out of hand, even if we kept the woefully incorrect definition its detractors cling to.
I think there's a whole lot of truth in that.LetalisK said:
I also think that the kind of people who excel in the STEM subjects derive most of their attitude to these things from high school, because for most that's the last point at which they have any significant contact with the arts or humanities, and it's not representative.
Arts and humanities in high school (certainly the latter parts of high school) are taught with the ethos that they should be accessible to everyone, whereas mathematics and science courses tend to be set up to reward natural talent. I'm not sure why this is, I suspect it has a lot to do with the lack of a clear metric for success in the arts or humanities, which makes it relatively easy for examiners to covertly adjust the difficulty level. But, the result is that people with no real talent can still succeed in high school humanities subjects because none of the core aptitudes of these disciplines are actually tested.
I imagine what I'm about to say is unlikely to convince anyone, but it doesn't necessarily continue like that. In many places it probably still does, but I've seen well taught "liberal arts" courses get failure rates of 50%. It's perfectly possible to be poorly suited to these courses, just as it is with STEM or language courses.
This is why I say if you're actually good at these kinds of courses and enjoy them, you'll be fine. At worst, there are some subjects where you can no longer afford to be mediocre, but that's not because they're "easy", it's because too many people do them simply because it's the subject they hated least in school.
From what I can gather from what classes my college determines liberal arts, they are "Knowledge for the sake of" classes. Sure you could apply a lot of things learned from them, but that's not exactly the point because they expand into theoretical territory.
subjects that dont tranlate directly into a specific "job"
I think people deem thease things "useles" because as I said it eather doesnt transalte to a solid job.....or the industry is a ***** to get into
though the way some people go on you'd think they want everyone around them to be as miserable as they are
peopel think THOSE are useless? seriousy??? do people not fucking know who creates all their entertainment? do people think that shit just materialises out of thin air?TheBobmus said:
I think people deem thease things "useles" because as I said it eather doesnt transalte to a solid job.....or the industry is a ***** to get into
though the way some people go on you'd think they want everyone around them to be as miserable as they are