what the heck did they do to Raven's costume (and Raven in general) in the new DC 52?

lord canti

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As much as I hate this design you do realize that ravens and starfires personalities on the show are almost nothing like they originally were.
 

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From now on, I'm just going to see Raven as Lissandra, from League of Legends.

 

Lieju

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I'm not necessarily opposed to that design as such. She looks like a harpy or something, and it would work fine on some other character. Not Raven, though.

Also those don't look like breasts. It's the old thing with US superhero comics; somehow the characters are very sexualized while being completely devoid of sex.
 

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crazygameguy4ever said:
That is not what Raven looks like or acts like.. and yeah I know they updated and ruined a lot of other characters in the new 52, but come on.. why DC?.. why did you ruin such a interesting character who finally had a relationship with Beast Boy and was ready to move past so much of her awkward life.. into what ever she's become in the new 52..
Sorry, buh? Where was... where was this in the comics? Last I read pre-boot Raven turned him down after some antics with her brothers.

Also, for those curious

this is what the current Teen Titans team looks like (also, note Raven's big ass cloak) after Lobdell managed to completely and utterly f*ck up Kid Flash, Solstice, Superboy and I swear to based God why even have Skitter in the solicits she's in three issues max. So, yeah... not gonna lie, I do not understand how Lobdell gets work when he has absolutely no understanding of the characters he's writing and just makes his own sh*t up. Which'd be fine, if he could write worth a damn. Ugh... personal taste I guess but Raven was the least of his f*ck ups (like how Kid Flash is apparently V from V for Vendetta now)

Ed130 The Vanguard said:
IT HAS BEEN ZERO DAYS SINCE DC HAS DONE SOMETHING STUPID.
The Raven things from like 6 months ago, dude. You may need to work on the reaction time for the sign
 

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...If that's true that's the most retarded business practice I've ever heard.

The core audience is the bread and butter, they'll always show up. And you can make a run with the core audience, ECW did it for a while. Kevin Smith is doing it currently.

but the idea in all entertainment media is to get the folks with just a passing interest in the material, because that's where the big money is. That's the whole basis for these tent pole blockbuster films. It wasn't comic book fans that spent all that money seeing Avengers, it was Joe Public who said "Hey, lets go Robert Downey Jr and American Man!"

Unless your whole point of your post was to point out that DC is stupid... in which case, I should go to bed because being up all night has made me dense.
the thing is Joe Public looks at Iron man and thinks "whoa cool!" and enjoys the movie but he looks at the comics...with its better part of century of stuff..and he doesn't want any of that crap..he just wants Iron man! (now granted he could possibly get into Iron man..and ONLY Iron mans book, but the forces that be seem to make it as off putting as possible)


yeah I don't think it IS true..I think the new 52..by "soft rebooting" was there to draw in new users with a nice freindly #1 and a nice freindly "dear god what the fuck did you do to her?" charachter design

..............yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh [sub/]that worked[/sub]
 

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On one hand, I dig the look on it's own.

On the other, that's not Raven.
 

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Naqel said:
On one hand, I dig the look on it's own.

On the other, that's not Raven.
Yeah, I'm like that with a few Nu52 characters. The costume isn't bad, it just needs a few more layers of the same and to go on a new character.
 

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Also looking at that team-pic, why isn't Beast Boy half-naked? Since wouldn't he be the kind of character where that would make perfect sense, being animalistic, and having shape-shifting powers?

Let's not kid ourselves, if Beast Boy's and Raven's genders were reversed, the amount of the clothing they wear would be as well.
 

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crazygameguy4ever said:
That is not what Raven looks like or acts like..



what does everyone else think of how they ruin Raven?
Could you give an example of how she is acting? that text is a bit too small and foreign for me.

I like her new outfit it all looks good apart from that dumb mask, she actually looks like she could be associated with a bird now.

Its not as bad as some recent character revamps however...



...Yeahhhhh cuz that costume is so much better than the old one.
 

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CaptainMarvelous said:
Ed130 The Vanguard said:
IT HAS BEEN ZERO DAYS SINCE DC HAS DONE SOMETHING STUPID.
The Raven things from like 6 months ago, dude. You may need to work on the reaction time for the sign
Alright then, lets take it back to the last DC announcement.

IT HAS BEEN NINE DAYS SINCE DC HAS DONE SOMETHING STUPID.

With luck they'll actually reach double figures this time!
 

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Lieju said:
Also looking at that team-pic, why isn't Beast Boy half-naked? Since wouldn't he be the kind of character where that would make perfect sense, being animalistic, and having shape-shifting powers?
Especially since he can shape shift...why isn't he a naked great looking bloke with 4 giant penises?
 

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thaluikhain said:
Lieju said:
Also looking at that team-pic, why isn't Beast Boy half-naked? Since wouldn't he be the kind of character where that would make perfect sense, being animalistic, and having shape-shifting powers?
Especially since he can shape shift...why isn't he a naked great looking bloke with 4 giant penises?
I don't think his shape-shifting ability works like that. He can transform into animals, not just whatever he can imagine.

Which doesn't answer the question why he'd choose to look like that.
I know if I had that power I'd just be a cat or something for 90% of time and sleep somewhere and only be human when I needed opposable thumbs.

Bats are cool too, though, and I could sleep upside down, hmmm.
 

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verdant monkai said:
crazygameguy4ever said:
That is not what Raven looks like or acts like..



what does everyone else think of how they ruin Raven?
Could you give an example of how she is acting? that text is a bit too small and foreign for me.

I like her new outfit it all looks good apart from that dumb mask, she actually looks like she could be associated with a bird now.

Its not as bad as some recent character revamps however...



...Yeahhhhh cuz that costume is so much better than the old one.
Just to be clear you do know that is a different person? That is the new Ms. Marvel, Khamala Khan. She is a teenager.

Carol Danvers has moved on, and is now Captain Marvel. Which really, since the original Captain Marvel died ages ago, she should have taken that name long ago.

 

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CaptainMarvelous said:
Also, for those curious

this is what the current Teen Titans team looks like (also, note Raven's big ass cloak) after Lobdell managed to completely and utterly f*ck up Kid Flash, Solstice, Superboy and I swear to based God why even have Skitter in the solicits she's in three issues max. So, yeah... not gonna lie, I do not understand how Lobdell gets work when he has absolutely no understanding of the characters he's writing and just makes his own sh*t up. Which'd be fine, if he could write worth a damn. Ugh... personal taste I guess but Raven was the least of his f*ck ups (like how Kid Flash is apparently V from V for Vendetta now)

Ed130 The Vanguard said:
IT HAS BEEN ZERO DAYS SINCE DC HAS DONE SOMETHING STUPID.
The Raven things from like 6 months ago, dude. You may need to work on the reaction time for the sign
Yep, and it should be noted that that is the cover for the new #1 issue. After they fucked up that generation of Teen Titans they had to cancel the book. And now they are starting over again, so the second relaunch since the new 52 has started.
 

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I can understand the feather cloak, I can understand the claws, I can even almost understand the shoes. Her name is Raven after all, although the rest of it... sigh.
Not only is it a complete disservice to the character and readers who expect more effort put into those female characters (we're talking about comics here, I'm disappointed, but not surprised), it's also grossly uninspired.

Hey her name is Raven, lets just make her look like a busty super model who dressed up like a raven for Halloween, sexy costume and all! We'll even throw in some harpy influence from mythology, because that's certainly not been done a million times before.

Also second spoiler, perfect T&A shot right there.

Not like Marvel is any better [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/134102-Marvel-Adding-2nd-Radioactive-Spider-Bite-Victim-To-Spider-Man]

They aren't even trying.
 

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CrazyGirl17 said:
Whaaat the fuck? No seriously, what the fuck DC? Are you just trying to titilate male readers?

...oh wait. Fuck the Nu52 redesigns right off. Lousy pandering wank material...
Raku-Gosha said:
So.... they fix that aspect of her by covering her face in shit and sticking her (where the fuck did they come from) tits in our face.
Eclipse Dragon said:
I can understand the feather cloak, I can understand the claws, I can even almost understand the shoes. Her name is Raven after all, although the rest of it... sigh.
Not only is it blatant fanservice and a complete disservice to the character and female readers in general (we're talking about comics here, I'm disappointed, but not surprised), it's also grossly uninspired.

Hey her name is Raven, lets just make her look like a super model who dressed up like a raven for Halloween, sexy costume and all! We'll even throw in some harpy influence from mythology, because that's certainly not been done a million times before.
This is the old design:


I can understand not liking the new one, but in comparison to the original I am not seeing how this is "worse" in regards to the sexual aspect, which seems to be implied by your comments. They haven't exactly taken a normal looking character and made her sexualised. Her original design was just like it too. Hell, she is actually wearing more clothing than she used to.

So the worst that could be said is that they are still doing the same old thing they have always been doing. I think the in-universe scientists need to look at the possible correlation between bust size and superpowers, because they are apparently strongly related.
 

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Honestly if they took the feathery chitin thing she's got going now but gave it the amount of skin coverage her old costume had I would really like the new design. The "torso window" thing it's got going now is a little much though.
 

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Legion said:
My rage is more centered around the fact that it's completely uninspired more of the same,
in both sexulization and just sheer cliche design choices (like I said, we've seen harpies done a million times before).
I had faintly hoped they'd start trying to be more progressive or at least more creative. I suppose I'm wrong for hoping that way, since it seems the day that starts happening is the day pigs fly.