what the heck did they do to Raven's costume (and Raven in general) in the new DC 52?

[pegi989]

sheesh talk about fetish fuel but i still like the teen titans Raven more this one just looks bland even teen titans go did not fuck up raven this much sheesh

 

[V4Viewtiful]

A problem I've had with the New 52 in terms of aesthetics is how red and, black seem to have become the dominant color duo.

Nightwing fans aren't impressed either, we're hoping he goes Blue when Dick is Nightwing again.
They only did it to symbolise and link to blood, the most obvious example and proof is the first flippin issue of Nightwing.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

Never liked Teen Titans so I'm pretty fine with it, and the outfit looks cool, with the exception of the blatant pandering. By which I mean the helmet, cloak and colour scheme are good. I think I'd be more offended had it ruined something I liked though.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Speaking as a heterosexual male I think that outfit is hideous and not the least bit sexy. Also I liked Raven's outfit from the TV series.

 

[Paradoxrifts]

...Yeahhhhh cuz that costume is so much better than the old one.

The new Miss Marvel is surprisingly good, at least so far as the first two issues are concerned.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

Is Beast Boy green again? he was red colored when he first appeared in the new 52, which is messed up since he's always been green

Yeah, that's because of Animal Man's comic, which was also incredibly awesome and totally justified why they'd make him red. Buuuuuuuuuut green does look better. And he fits better with the Titans than he does the Ravagers.

 

[SUPA FRANKY]

I like it. Looks preety cool...It's nice that they are updating Raven's designs.

 

[KazeAizen]

Isn't it exactly what comic books do... restart over and over?

Yep. Except if its not 100% to the exact specifications of the imaginations the fanboys that read them it "ruins" the character and is an insult to everything the character was. Like dear God they got rid of Superman's red tights. "YOU RUINED SUPERMAN!" Its kind of been the general reaction to this whole New 52 thing.

 

[KazeAizen]

I'l start off by saying that Raven of the Teen Titans is and always has been my favorite character of the DC Universe and comics in general.. and there's nothing wring with updating characters a bit, but seriously... what they did they do to Raven?

That is not what Raven looks like or acts like.. and yeah I know they updated and ruined a lot of other characters in the new 52, but come on.. why DC?.. why did you ruin such a interesting character who finally had a relationship with Beast Boy and was ready to move past so much of her awkward life.. into what ever she's become in the new 52..

what does everyone else think of how they ruin Raven?

DC does not understand people, it's as simple as that. They think this is what comic readers want, they seriously think we are all 15-25 year old manboys that lose it for tits.

I for one wonder if DC can even survive the reboot they will have to do to fix their universe. Think about it, everything before flashpoint would have to be brought back, everything post would have to be removed or explained away and then they will still have to tie up all the pre-flashpoint loose ends. It's a mess, the whole thing. Also, the post-flashpoint stuff has been so toxic if they just wanted to start fresh they would still have to reboot. I have already given up on DC, I can't imagine they can survive another reboot.

You do realize sales were up when they started this thing right? Its not like the sales suddenly dropped off when New 52 started. In fact Aquaman out sold all of Marvel's entire library apparently. Also how the hell has the New 52 been "so toxic" I mean really. I don't think I've seen this much fanboy pissing and moaning since Batman and Robin and the New 52 isn't bad.

 

[V4Viewtiful]

Also how the hell has the New 52 been "so toxic" I mean really.

Well the Young Justice Line is a mess, Creator environment is abysmal (an exaggeration but it is very bad) to name few.

 

[Lieju]

It's skin-tight stuff I think. Do believe that makes a difference, most superheroes generally wear skin-tight stuff that leaves quite little to the imagination.

Difference being mostly that beneath the male skin-tight stuff there's generally an idealized male form while beneath the female skin-tight stuff there's generally an sexualized female form.

It would matter how it emphasizes things like breasts and butts. Like Raven's New 52 outfit directs the attention to her breasts. Also posing matters a lot.
Just looking at that team-picture, BeastBoy and Robin's outfits aren't exactly painted on.

Even ignoring sexualisation, the skin-tight outfits tend to look silly to me, male or female. But with women it also often highlights their weird anatomy. Breasts and hips just tend to look weird in many US comics. Not even mentioning the positions the women are contorted into.

The skintight outfits also look silly on the men because they make it look like they have no genitalia.

Again, that's not the skin-tight outfits. It's the body beneath. I would say Robin's and Beast Boy's outfits look just as much painted on, just painted over a somewhat more realistically proportioned body.

Spoiler: To give an example, would you say this looks silly?

That's women in skin-tight outfits. Except it's real bodies beneath.

I'd say Raven's outfit is completely fine, no issues there. The body beneath however? That's absurdly proportioned. But if you put a real woman with a normal muscular physique in that outfit she's probably look pretty cool (given the right setting of course).

I think it might make most sense to talk about design in general instead of the physique and outfits separately.
Not all skintight outfits look silly to me. Of course it depends on the style, but for example Spider-Man usually looks cool to me. But he tends to be sort of slim and acrobatic character.

Female characters with similar skills tend to get stuck with silly anatomy and especially huge boobs that in the worst cases flop around.

I think I did say at some point in this thread that the new Raven's design looks sort of cool (apart from the weird boobs), but not on Raven.

She looks like some sort of animalistic, very physical character who flies around a lot, with that helmet and all.

I don't know what her character is like in the new 52, but I'd prefer a very covering design; long flowing dark robes, very little skin, to give an impression of someone who separates herself from others and is a very non-physical character.

 

[Eddie the head]

If the chest part was less open I would think it looks fine, but with that it kind of looks "ehh." I don't know it looks kind of silly. Overall I could get over it, but I don't read comics.

 

[someonehairy-ish]

I think it actually looks ok. They've kept the feel of the hood/cloak/leotard combo and made it tie into her demonic/half-demonic/whatever-the-fuck-she-is origins.

I don't really see why they thought her leotard would just pop open at the front with the sheer force of boobage, and it looks pretty damn silly. Hasn't she got nipples?

But the rest of the costume is ok.

 

[chinangel]

I'l start off by saying that Raven of the Teen Titans is and always has been my favorite character of the DC Universe and comics in general.. and there's nothing wring with updating characters a bit, but seriously... what they did they do to Raven?

That is not what Raven looks like or acts like.. and yeah I know they updated and ruined a lot of other characters in the new 52, but come on.. why DC?.. why did you ruin such a interesting character who finally had a relationship with Beast Boy and was ready to move past so much of her awkward life.. into what ever she's become in the new 52..

what does everyone else think of how they ruin Raven?

well that's a...very literal translation of the character.

this part is just added so I don't get nailed for a low content post. Blah-blah-blah Teen Titans Raven is best Raven.

 

[Barbas]

(Snip).

I've seen it happen anyway.

OT: That...doesn't really look like it works to me. The crest is interesting, but how does she see? Does she have some sort of psychic ability? The outfit all looks rather strange, but not necessarily in that way you'd want a superhero to look. It's also a shame that they decided to leave much of the chest and legs bare; it makes more sense to add more of the details to complete the theme you're trying to go for.

 

[Hagi]

I think it might make most sense to talk about design in general instead of the physique and outfits separately.
Not all skintight outfits look silly to me. Of course it depends on the style, but for example Spider-Man usually looks cool to me. But he tends to be sort of slim and acrobatic character.

Female characters with similar skills tend to get stuck with silly anatomy and especially huge boobs that in the worst cases flop around.

I think I did say at some point in this thread that the new Raven's design looks sort of cool (apart from the weird boobs), but not on Raven.

She looks like some sort of animalistic, very physical character who flies around a lot, with that helmet and all.

I don't know what her character is like in the new 52, but I'd prefer a very covering design; long flowing dark robes, very little skin, to give an impression of someone who separates herself from others and is a very non-physical character.

Completely agree with the gist of what you're saying but I do believe it's useful to get into specifics instead of staying on general design.

Pinpointing exactly where the design fails and what areas of improvement exist can help, both in finding what you are looking for and serving as more constructive criticism.

 

[WarpZone]

That is not what Raven looks like or acts like.. and yeah I know they updated and ruined a lot of other characters in the new 52, but come on.. why DC?.. why did you ruin such a interesting character who finally had a relationship with Beast Boy and was ready to move past so much of her awkward life.. into what ever she's become in the new 52..

Same reason they turned Amanda Waller from a non-nonsense bureaucrat with the cunning to devise a Batman plan to take out Batman into Charlie's Angels. Same reason they turned Harley Quinn into a goon with a hammer. Same reason they made all those other character-mutilating New 52 decisions you just glossed over as if they weren't important, just because they weren't happening to your favorite character.

They changed Raven because they're post-90's DC. And post-90s DC just doesn't care about storytelling or character.

Anyone who did care or was capable of hiring people who cared left the company long ago. It doesn't even matter if the evidence suggests that well-written stories with good art actually moves books. DC will keep imagining this demographic of grown men who think like horny teenagers that simply does not exist, will keep hiring writers and artists whose body of work fits that made-up demographic indefinitely.

DC does not care. They stopped caring long ago. And under the current leadership, they will never care again.

Sorry, that's the unpacked explanation; the surface-level explanation is the new costume shows more skin than the old costume. That's all they needed or wanted it to do, and the new design accomplishes that. Enjoy your gross alien corpse skull helmet thing, because OOOH, SCARY!

 

[crazygameguy4ever]

That is not what Raven looks like or acts like.. and yeah I know they updated and ruined a lot of other characters in the new 52, but come on.. why DC?.. why did you ruin such a interesting character who finally had a relationship with Beast Boy and was ready to move past so much of her awkward life.. into what ever she's become in the new 52..

Same reason they turned Amanda Waller from a non-nonsense bureaucrat with the cunning to devise a Batman plan to take out Batman into Charlie's Angels. Same reason they turned Harley Quinn into a goon with a hammer. Same reason they made all those other character-mutilating New 52 decisions you just glossed over as if they weren't important, just because they weren't happening to your favorite character.

They changed Raven because they're post-90's Marvel. And post-90s Marvel just doesn't care about storytelling or character.

Anyone who did care or was capable of hiring people who cared left the company long ago. It doesn't even matter if the evidence suggests that well-written stories with good art actually moves books. Marvel will keep imagining this demographic of grown men who think like horny teenagers that simply does not exist, will keep hiring writers and artists whose body of work fits that made-up demographic indefinitely.

Marvel does not care. They stopped caring long ago. And under the current leadership, they will never care again.

Sorry, that's the unpacked explanation; the surface-level explanation is the new costume shows more skin than the old costume. That's all they needed or wanted it to do, and the new design accomplishes that. Enjoy your gross alien corpse skull helmet thing, because OOOH, SCARY!

It's DC that's at fault here.. Marvel Comics has nothing to do with DC and how they severely mess up Raven's costume or personality in the new reboot