What The Hell Happened Here?
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Well I'm kinda taking the word of the NPCs in the refugee camp who basically said that she confessed to Cerberus who she was and they shot her. Unless she managed to get someone else to pretend to be her, I'm assuming she's dead.Fappy said:
I laughed heartily at this picture, though I pondered the idea that it would probably make Dalamar 'Captain Obvious' as a lower rank to Master.Forlong said:
On topic: People get overly passionate on the internet because they feel that if their arguement is disturbed that it invalidated themselves as individuals and gives them that 'I've lost' feeling. People ought to focus more on 'discussion' than 'arguing'
Captcha: best seller, damn right it was.
Maybe I'm just not looking in the right (wrong?) forums, but I haven't seen much of a division here. Many, MANY occasions of peope talking past each other, but no real division. Plenty of threads saying that having high expectations is not the same as being entitled, but very people people actually calling others entitled. Plenty of people saying that ME3 is terrible and that people should stop encouraging low standards by saying it had a satisfying ending, but very few people actually saying they found the ending satisfying. Most disturbingly, penty of times one person's said somethign like, "well, that was boring I certainly didn't enjoy that," and somebody else has jumped on them for not hating the game and everyone who had the slightest hand in developing it. Both of these people thought the ending was poor, why not team up to do something about it rather than turning that dissapointment and anger onto each other?
Mostly people have seen that one guy who didn't enjoy the ending and started a lawsuit against Bioware (a lawsuit which, may I remind you, takes a stated fact of 'this specific thing WIL NOT HAPPEN' from the marketing marterial and points at the moment that thing does happen in the game. I'm not saying the lawsuit's the first solution, but it's not entirely without merit) and assumed that everone who doesn't like the ending is this extreme.
The only direct cause/effect I've seen is people picking on Zeel because (s)he dares to voice an opinion without screaming "Disclaimer! Discalimer! Only my opinion you can't tell me I'm wrong! Don't hit me!" after it (a practice which seems to warrent the death penalty around here, but that's a topic for another thread). On the other hand this did spawn the, "Brace yourself, Zeel is comming," picture so hey, I got a laugh out of it.
Incidentally, I hope everyone here's aware of the massive double standard in this forum: why is it entirely fair to mercilesly rip apart Twilight's story, yet nobody can critisise Mass Effect's story? Because here's food for thought: purely objectivly, Twilight is better. There are very few plot holes (admitedly a few fairly cheap expination to stop them, but the explinations are at least there), most character development neccesary for the final scene occurs two entire BOOKS before it and wasn't just inserted in after the author wrote the scene but needed something put in earlier to avoid sudden reveals, and you get a chapter at the end that gives some closure for each character. Neither are perfect, no way am I arguing that, but only one of them follows the rules that high-school creative writing students are taught.
Mostly people have seen that one guy who didn't enjoy the ending and started a lawsuit against Bioware (a lawsuit which, may I remind you, takes a stated fact of 'this specific thing WIL NOT HAPPEN' from the marketing marterial and points at the moment that thing does happen in the game. I'm not saying the lawsuit's the first solution, but it's not entirely without merit) and assumed that everone who doesn't like the ending is this extreme.
The only direct cause/effect I've seen is people picking on Zeel because (s)he dares to voice an opinion without screaming "Disclaimer! Discalimer! Only my opinion you can't tell me I'm wrong! Don't hit me!" after it (a practice which seems to warrent the death penalty around here, but that's a topic for another thread). On the other hand this did spawn the, "Brace yourself, Zeel is comming," picture so hey, I got a laugh out of it.
Incidentally, I hope everyone here's aware of the massive double standard in this forum: why is it entirely fair to mercilesly rip apart Twilight's story, yet nobody can critisise Mass Effect's story? Because here's food for thought: purely objectivly, Twilight is better. There are very few plot holes (admitedly a few fairly cheap expination to stop them, but the explinations are at least there), most character development neccesary for the final scene occurs two entire BOOKS before it and wasn't just inserted in after the author wrote the scene but needed something put in earlier to avoid sudden reveals, and you get a chapter at the end that gives some closure for each character. Neither are perfect, no way am I arguing that, but only one of them follows the rules that high-school creative writing students are taught.
I'm sure it will calm down in the next few weeks. That ending has stirred emotions up but people will move on, whether Bioware changes the ending or not. I haven't really posted much in the last few days but from what I've seen, the same arguments are being held over and over again and sometimes in a pretty hostile manner. So I don't see much reason to participate in those discussions.
I'm just waiting for this whole thing to quiet down.
I'm just waiting for this whole thing to quiet down.
At least most of the people are only ending their (more often than not) civil posts with the quote. The problem with huge forums like that is the lack of any real moderation short of thread locks. You can get away with posting blank posts and never hear anything from a mod.Zeel said:
But...but...but the interwebz were designed specifically to be the ultimate fanboy knife fight! By the way, when you put it like that I immediately thought of the music video for Beat It and imagined a "It Really Happened" believer knife fighting an "Indoctrination" believer.Fappy said:So I've been less than attentive to these here forums for the past week or so and I have returned to find it in a rather... horrendous state. Yeah, yeah flavor of the month, ME3 ending, blah, blah, blah. I get that. My confusion and disappointment is coming from this ugly schism in the community. Seriously guys, why the fuck is everyone getting so worked up over this debate? Some people want Bioware to change/add to the ending. Okay, whoopdy-doo. Is it really worth turning this forum into the ultimate fanboy knife fight in order to get your point across?
This goes for both sides of the argument. I can't even count the number of times I have read the words "entitled" in the last two weeks. Since when was this such a dirty word and why are you guys treating this like its some kind of enormous insult. "Entitled" =/= spoiled/whiny consumer. Don't use it that way and don't assume that is what people are saying when they use it. This used to be a community where we could have intelligent discussions about the industry and our favorite games/developers. Now its just a bunch of uninformed, bitter gamers having it out over what amounts to nothing more than a simple little hot topic that no one will care about two months from now. Is it really worth it guys?
I'm not asking people to stop discussing this big issue. I am asking people to stop stating their opinions as fact and start keeping an open mind, otherwise we'll just end up like every other gaming forum on the internet. I just hope its not too late.
/rant off
I feel better now
I really don't mind the vitriol flowing through here. Indeed, it will all come out in the wash once a new major title comes out. But really, my previous mostly-joking paragraph is kinda right: that's what goes on on internet forums. If an argument has at least 2 sides that can be vaguely supported, you'll get people yanking the sticks out of their asses to beat their way of thinking into the heads of their opponents. The problem is that in this case, there is absolutely NOTHING that fully supports either side. Both sides are based almost entirely on speculation. So it's not even "My opinion is better than yours!" It's "My wild-ass guess based off crappy and admittedly butchered writing is better than yours!"
In short, yeah, it's lame to see literally 20 ME 3 topics on the first page of the forum, but there's not much anyone can do about it till the community as a whole decides to move on to the next game it wants to shit all over.
I picked up Downpour day 1 and so far aside from a brief lag here and there I think it's a great game, and definitely a step back in the right direction..not perfect, but hey what can be?daveman247 said:
savageoblivi0n said:
Good to hear. I havnt had the chance to buy it/ play it yet but i thought it looked quite good. Despite some very negative reviews. Hopefully the freezes will be patched, and i can deal with the combat since it was never about that anyway. The only thing that looks a bit disappointing is the generic enemies, they look too, human.
So me saying that I enjoyed the game and that no matter what you say I still like it that makes me a fanboy.Zeel said:
