What the hell happened to these bands???
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So, bands aren't allowed to evolve, to change their musical styles? You want them to just stay the same forever? Have you stayed the same forever? I know I haven't. If you don't like the new stuff, don't listen to it. Just stick to the old stuff and look for a new band to like, rather than whining about it.
As do I.Jaranja said:
There are bands that do lose touch over time though, take We Are Scientists for example. Epic start, lost their drummer over "musical differences", then started churning out much more tame songs.
Older or "worse" production values are no excuse for a cluttered sounding record. I understand what you're trying to say and to an extent I agree, but thats the problem with heavy metal, mix that kinda stuff wrong and it does end up sounding like one huge messy wall of sound, which is never a good thing.Novskij said:
I much preferred the older songs by Funeral For A Friend like from the album Casually Dressed and In Deep Conversation
This. When a band changes it's style, you never know for sure whether they did it for money or whether they genuinely think they're 'evolving' and 'maturing' their sound. That's why arguments like this are essentially redundant, unless you can read the band's minds.ThatTallGuy said:
However, there are two bands I know of who have publicly stated that they are complete sellouts.
The first one is KISS. A few years ago, Gene Simmons fired members of the band and said something about how 'KISS is a business'. When you've gone from being a 'band' to a 'business', that's when you know that you're all about the cash.
The second one is Powderfinger. In a radio interview they did when Vulture Street came out, they mentioned that the album's heavier sound was what they used to play when they were independent, and when they got signed they started making albums that they thought would sell more copies (and that is almost a direct quote). When you're writing music and the first consideration is 'will this get sales?', then you're a sellout, and if you do it from day one of getting a record deal, then you're basically a corporate whore.
I'm with youNincompoop said:
There's nothing wrong with mainstream. And to call InFlames "mainstream" would still be like calling Britney Spears Death Metal.
The band grew. I love Subteranean and Whoracle, but I also enjoy Come Clarity and A Sense of Purpose. The sound changed, and the lyrics with them, but they became somewhat deeper.
A lot of bands get undeserved stick for changing their sound, and old time fans are quick to jump to "turning mainstream". Not always true. As the bandmembers grow older, they evolve, settle down. And with that comes different music.
Hear that? Different. Not worse.
I still shake my head at what has become of Shadows Fall... Old InFlames is good the newer stuff is alright. I would rather listen to At the Gates or Mors Principium Est
They change with the market, I think. It sucks for the people who've been there from the beginning, and know and love the original sound, but I think it's easier just to expect it from a band that makes it. See: Korn, System of a Down, Muse. Korn's trying to get back to their roots, but... I dunno. The same thing might happen now with the people who are used to their current sound; the band goes back to their roots, and they lose the new crowd. *shrug*
Oh, and anyone who thinks Green Day's first album was American Idiot... you need a smack. I've heard it far too often. I spout out some titles like Church on Sunday, Rotting, and Worry Rock, and I get a look like, "What the fuck band are you thinking of?" Ughhhhh.
Oh, and anyone who thinks Green Day's first album was American Idiot... you need a smack. I've heard it far too often. I spout out some titles like Church on Sunday, Rotting, and Worry Rock, and I get a look like, "What the fuck band are you thinking of?" Ughhhhh.
Well said.Baby Tea said:
I would say Modest Mouse. Their older albums were fantastic; 'Lonesome Crowded West' was a fantastic album with some incredible musical talent on show.
Then they went mainstream. They increased production values and signed to Epic Records, they forgot all their roots and made far more 'normal' music.
But then I would have to say that their new music was bad. No. In fact, some of their new music is fantastic. 'Good News...' is another fantastic record by them, that whilst different to their older stuff is nontheless fantastic.
Then they went mainstream. They increased production values and signed to Epic Records, they forgot all their roots and made far more 'normal' music.
But then I would have to say that their new music was bad. No. In fact, some of their new music is fantastic. 'Good News...' is another fantastic record by them, that whilst different to their older stuff is nontheless fantastic.
OP, I kind of feel the same way about Sonic Syndicate. They seemed to get... more "mainstream"-sounding over time. Their first album Eden Fire kicks ass but I can't say the same about their third album Love And Other Disasters. I mean, Roland is a good vocalist and I enjoyed his work but the songs themselves got more bland as time went on.
Yes, it is terrible when a band that is amazing and has this really interesting sound turns into something boring and generic. This usually happens when they get more melodic and less heavy, but not always. Look at the band Sentenced, they started out with your typical Death Metal thing going, not a bad band, but not anything special. Then they moved more towards melodic goth metal (light on the goth, just dark lyrics I guess) and it is amazing. I loved their last three albums (just a shame the guitarist died). Another band is Neurosis, they started out as a mediocre hardcore band, and now are just amazing doing their brand of apocalyptic-folk post-metal. It can work both ways, but usually doesn't.
That's what you get when you or a band starts taking its music seriously when in fact it's just some songs thought up by some guy who happens to be able to sing or play an instrument.
Any band or musician that tries to appeal to an audience is cause and victim of this because they give listeners and fans the right to complain, making their music out to be something it isn't.
Any band or musician that tries to appeal to an audience is cause and victim of this because they give listeners and fans the right to complain, making their music out to be something it isn't.
A few years ago my sister introduced me to a band called Phantasm, they were an 80s thrash metal band that cut a demo called wreckage, but never really took off. I was like twelve at the time, but a few years later I made friends with the guitarist's(Rodney Nicholson) son. He has a new myspace thing called Skullpile and its pretty kickass.