What the hell is wrong with you, exactly?
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Nintendo games had the fun "Blow in them for ten minutes to clean them" issue.
The genesis had, what was it, three or four different add ons during its life time, each one required if you wanted to play any new games. Each one riddled with bugs and disc read issues.
The Mother fucking Jaguar.
Nintendo is the crown price of making the same game over and over and over. Look at mario and Zelda. People are complaining about SC2, look at Zelda, megaman, and mario making the same game entirely with a new intro in the manual. You want to complain about Blizzard not being innovative might want to check out Nintendo's gaming roots. Long history of pumping out crappy games and carbon copies of the good ones.
Hell, look at Atari. The majority of the games were variations of the same bloody thing. Occasionally something good coming out. A lot of the games being nothing more then incomprehensible squiggles, considered bad even for its time. That and Porn.
Nintendos and segas might still be going strong. However I gave my brother my PS2 when i got a PS3 and its going strong despite being almost a decade old. No problems or issues either. Same with my Ps3 despite being a fatboy that a bought 5 months after launch.
Old games had a great deal of problems as well. Most people just ignore them because of rose colored glasses.
That's not to say any of the games i mentioned are bad. Or that old gaming is shitty. Just that they all had problems and they both tried to get as much money out of you that they could. {Read: The plethora of actually shitty, barely working accessories for the NES and SNES)
On top of that games weren't really 'cheaper' back then. Seeing as how most Nes and Snes games new were 49.99 and today new PS3 games for me are 59.99.
Since 49.99 was worth a lot more when i was a little kid in a way the cost of games themselves have gone down.
The genesis had, what was it, three or four different add ons during its life time, each one required if you wanted to play any new games. Each one riddled with bugs and disc read issues.
The Mother fucking Jaguar.
Nintendo is the crown price of making the same game over and over and over. Look at mario and Zelda. People are complaining about SC2, look at Zelda, megaman, and mario making the same game entirely with a new intro in the manual. You want to complain about Blizzard not being innovative might want to check out Nintendo's gaming roots. Long history of pumping out crappy games and carbon copies of the good ones.
Hell, look at Atari. The majority of the games were variations of the same bloody thing. Occasionally something good coming out. A lot of the games being nothing more then incomprehensible squiggles, considered bad even for its time. That and Porn.
Nintendos and segas might still be going strong. However I gave my brother my PS2 when i got a PS3 and its going strong despite being almost a decade old. No problems or issues either. Same with my Ps3 despite being a fatboy that a bought 5 months after launch.
Old games had a great deal of problems as well. Most people just ignore them because of rose colored glasses.
That's not to say any of the games i mentioned are bad. Or that old gaming is shitty. Just that they all had problems and they both tried to get as much money out of you that they could. {Read: The plethora of actually shitty, barely working accessories for the NES and SNES)
On top of that games weren't really 'cheaper' back then. Seeing as how most Nes and Snes games new were 49.99 and today new PS3 games for me are 59.99.
Since 49.99 was worth a lot more when i was a little kid in a way the cost of games themselves have gone down.
Investors can take their money and give it to a competitor. You lose out and your enemies gain. Enough investors leave and your company collapses.More Fun To Compute said:
If you don't think it's worth the money, don't buy it. Simple.
The only reason they ask such extortionate prices is that they know people are prepared to pay that much. If we refuse to put up with their shit, prices will come down and/or quality will go up.
The only reason they ask such extortionate prices is that they know people are prepared to pay that much. If we refuse to put up with their shit, prices will come down and/or quality will go up.
That makes more sense than this talk about a legal or moral obligation to satisfy shareholders but companies should worry about losing customers before shareholders. Cart before the horse.manythings said:
If you spent two grand on a gaming rig, you got ripped off. A good rig can be built for under a thousand (cheaper still once you build up some spare parts that are easily cannibalized like old DVD burners and power supplies, which last a lot longer than the technological feasibility of the gaming parts) and kept in fighting shape for a good 3-4 years. More expensive than a console, yes, but PCs do a lot more than just play games and movies.Jfswift said:
I completely disagree, you're not very familiar with socialist ideals are you?grimsprice said:
OP never said he wanted games for free, he just stated that video games are over priced and the entire industry fucks everyone over for greed. Video games used to be made for more than just money, they were made for a living not multi billion dollar stocks.
(dlc is the biggest rip off in gaming history)
What does socialist ideals have to do with anything?Levitas1234 said:
When did i say the OP wanted them for free? I was hoping to imply that he wanted them cheaper than companies can make them. You have to spend money to get something fyi.
Someone has to code the DLC, write it, do the modeling work, and test them. You have to pay for the service. Remember, you're getting something, that means you have to pay for it.
If you and the OP are to be believed, then some group of suits somewhere are conspirators, making hundreds of billions off the gaming community when they could be offering it to us cheaper. Sorry, i'm not a conspiracy theorist. I know how businesses are run. I watched as my parents tried to keep a business going without gouging the buyer like their competitors. Competition drove them into the ground. Don't even attempt to explain to me how business works.
Holy crap :O.Xiorell said:Now ya doBigfootmech said:Mine luckily never failed.
OT : I get what PurpleSky is saying (who DOES get +1...something, from me coz of the SG1 avatar), build quality of things aint what it used to be, prices of things still go up and people roll over and accept it. I find this to be essentially true in most cases, although I don't know if I can apply it to gaming, seeing how much the tech has really come along leaps and bounds.
Now if we was talking about cars...
I don't know about you, but I've seen a big change from horse drawn carriages to air conditioned, power steering family cars. I get what you're saying though. Pong -> Crysis isn't really a baby step either.
What hurts me the most is as you, and other people say. The casual gamer will accept these prices so long as he can afford them - and getting a few games a year they easily can. Especially when those people sometimes have jobs and aren't students who work for a slave's wage :'(.
lolBigfootmech said:
I didn't mean that kinda comparison. More... cars from 1970 to Now kinda comparison.
I mostly think 95% of really new cars are ugly plasticy underpowered oversized cheap looking unexciting sacks of piss and stale biscuits.
But, back to games...
It is called Capitalism my friend. Why make something that will last a generation when you can make something that will do the same thing but has to be replaced regularly?
People who value quality want things that last a long time and do their jobs right.
People who value stealing from customers make something that works great for two years but breaks at the start of year three.
I've been asking this question for a long time now: If today is the future for old people, why doesn't anything last as long?
Greed ruins everything.
OT: It sucks that you lost money on a 360 that Red Ringed on you but sadly you can do nothing to change the way things are made/done in the business realm.
That is unless you suddenly become like this guy:
Use your powers for good if that happens. Make the world suck less!
People who value quality want things that last a long time and do their jobs right.
People who value stealing from customers make something that works great for two years but breaks at the start of year three.
I've been asking this question for a long time now: If today is the future for old people, why doesn't anything last as long?
Greed ruins everything.
OT: It sucks that you lost money on a 360 that Red Ringed on you but sadly you can do nothing to change the way things are made/done in the business realm.
That is unless you suddenly become like this guy:
Use your powers for good if that happens. Make the world suck less!
Gotta say, I kind of zeroed in on this. Probably because I have been pumping my brain full of StarCraft lately. SC2: Wings of Liberty is a complete game. It's got a full single-player campaign with branching missions and stories, great voice acting, great story in general, great graphics, a challenge mode, achievements, and a ton of multiplayer content, not to mention the amazing game balance and the map creator, which in and of itself is essentially an SDK.PurpleSky said:
They're not releasing a game in three parts, they're releasing three games that make up one story.
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Anyways, I don't really know what to say about it. The companies want money. If they make quality things, they're gonna get money. If they DON'T make quality things, not as many people will buy it and they will make less money. Sure, there's a lot of gimmicks, and the stuff from back in the day was more sturdy for sure. I don't know what to make of it, but they function a lot better. If you're implying that Microsoft is breaking consoles on purpose in order to make money form fixing 360's, though, I'm gonna go ahead and say you're wrong.
It was just sturdier back then for whatever reason. It's a risk you take for higher-quality graphics and more versatile gameplay and whatnot. Or, you could play on a PC, which don't break down as often in my experience.
POINT IS THIS: Sure, they're trying to fish money out of your wallet. You've just gotta be smart about it and don't eat the worms floating around until you know they aren't attached to anything. Those hooks will really pull you in.
(Fishing metaphor FTW.)
Oh boy. Another one of these people.PurpleSky said:
You haven't played Starcraft 2, that's for sure.
Let me tell you something about Starcraft 2's trilogy thing: IT DOESN'T MATTER.
You know what I got from Starcraft 2? A shitload of content and a sense of fucking completion. I'm not sure what qualifies as a "complete" game to you, but that's more than enough for me. It's not a "part" of a game. It's not even "half" a game. It's a game.
I'm not sure if you may have to really stretch your mental capabilities past their normal limits of accepting convention, but when someone says something is part of a trilogy, it's not suddenly incapable of standing on its own. Compared with many other RTS's of this time and the previous ones, it has much more content. That it's part of a trilogy is completely irrelevant.
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Now, on to your other complaints:
If collectors' editions are any indication of how much gamers are willing to pay for games, they're only going to get more expensive. Movie ticket prices are the same, especially with the coming of 3D. It's just unavoidable. If a game came out and it was 100 dollars, but it was really good (not ground-breaking; just really good), people may piss and moan, but the bottom line is that a large chunk of them would still buy it. And all the complaining would earn the game more publicity. Win-win.
What I usually do is just play many of the older games until the prices for the newer games die down. It also helps that more than one person in my family is a gamer, so we can share the single-player games.
The used game industry is profiting much from what earns the gaming industry about as much money as piracy, so if you want a boycott, you may as well go there.
Other than that, you can only sit back and watch people spend 40 dollars more for a pair of night-vision goggles that they never knew they wanted.
Agreed, I like to think of my PC as an older model Honda... With a 5.0L V8, of course...Booze Zombie said:
This. 1000 times this! Why make something of quality when the consumer is willing to buy buy buy buy and buy? This doesn't only apply to games. It applies to TV's, computer components, cars, and most other things people covet in this day and age.Redlin5 said:It is called Capitalism my friend. Why make something that will last a generation when you can make something that will do the same thing but has to be replaced regularly?
People who value quality want things that last a long time and do their jobs right.
People who value stealing from customers make something that works great for two years but breaks at the start of year three.
I've been asking this question for a long time now: If today is the future for old people, why doesn't anything last as long?
Greed ruins everything.
OT: It sucks that you lost money on a 360 that Red Ringed on you but sadly you can do nothing to change the way things are made/done in the business realm.
That is unless you suddenly become like this guy:
Use your powers for good if that happens. Make the world suck less!
Agreed on this. When I got the red ring 2 years ago (after having the xbox for about a year and a half) I just went on their website, said it was broken, wait a day or 2 and received an email with a postal token, sent it off to mircosoft and received a new one (for free) within about 3 weeks, and they delivered it by courier to my door. The only thing I had to pay for was the packaging to put it in but that wasn't much. On top of that, having a new xbox means a new warrenty so I'm covered for another 3 years (I think that's how long they last), well 1 year left now.Crazzee said:
But back to topic, if you're fussed over prices of games go buy a mid-range computer for about £500-700, grab a steam account and wait for either the january sale or the next summer sale and buy a bunch of cheap games. At the last sale I got the THQ complete pack for about £45 which is only a little more than a fresh new console game but includes over 20 proper games of various genres. Sure you may get a little bit of a framerate issue on some of the newer games but that's what the medium and low graphics settings are for.
Communists aren't the same as morons, so no.PurpleSky said:"Is this worth it" "Is it worth 60 $?"
2 weeks later
"It RROD"
People today make me feel so old- Forgot to add I'm 18 right now-.You're letting these companies ripp you off so hard it's not even amusing.
I had this, I still have no ideea how my poor parents managed to buy it for me and my brother older brother.
I kept this baby going with toothpicks and stuff I can't even remember right now.(After a good while of smooth sailing, and I'm pretty sure I was not it's first owner)
I had like a hundred cartriges full of games,I don't know for sure if they were 8bit or 16bit, I played those until I got a PC and played Warcraft 3 as my first PC game.
My point is, no it's not worth it, they always charge as much as possible, they want to make money.Just because you live in America/other wealthy country, doesn't mean you can let them give you a game in 3 parts ( SC2 ) , or ask for money for new content.
You can't defend the developers and explain their actions and half assed releases, when their motivations are strictly financial.
These are all gimmicks, and they make you loose the value of a dollar.
I mean, jesus christ, stop throwing money at every game developer.
[sub]This was a rant,you can ignore it or flame me,I don't care[/sub]
I've got a question for you right here, you see me as a communist right now, don't you?
*EDIT* People can talk all they want about capitalism and business,but if you look here in this thread everyone agrees that old hardware is way more reliable.
Assuming you're not a moron however, you've either lived your entire life in some sort of lightless prison and can't grasp that people spend money for enjoyment or perhaps you're simply venting.
I honestly don't see any intelligent argument being made here, not trying to be offensive but what exactly are you expecting of the world, hmm?