What We Don't Know About Wonder Woman in Batman vs. Superman

[Banzaiman]

I have never been much of a DC fan, but is it just me that finds wonder womans outfit VERY ugly?

Edit: Now that outfit Gordon 4 linked, that looks fine.

I always found it strange that the best armour for an Amazon was virtually none at all.

Though that seems to be the case for most fiction, so what do I know about armour?

 

[008Zulu_v1legacy]

Batman is "iconic"

people already know who he is...

hell, he's had 7 modern "blockbuster" movies at this point...

All true, but I don't think it will change WB's assumption that people have short attention spans. If they are indeed trying to move away from Nolan's Batman, they will need to reintroduce him, which means a new origin introduction.

ot: word puzzle; practice makes perfect

 

[cikame]

I think the MMA fighter would be a better fit for Wonder Woman, a big strong presence indicative of an amazon.
I'm not sure Gal Gadot would be willing to bulk up for the role.

 

[twosage]

Wonder Woman is Bella, Superman is Edward, Batman is Jacob

Also, don't scare me like that. That's such a fucking horrendous idea.

... I kinda of wouldn't mind The Batman/Wonderwoman romance was pretty good in the Justice League Animated and I still think the DCAU canonical first meeting of Batman and Superman where Batman immediately starts hitting on Louis Lane was pretty funny and kind of cool.

If they got DCAU talented writers it'd be fun (and help the superhero-action-fatigue) if they got twilight level writers... less so

Especially if the rest of the movie is just more of the same Nolan-esque self-indulgent "persecuted hero" complex. I'm quickly becoming resigned to this movie, and all of WB's Avengers Envy, completely sucking. So, if they are going to suck, at least let them suck spectacularly. Or course, I'm the kind of person that actually enjoys Batman & Robin (once I can disconnect the part of my brain that cares about Batman as a character).

 

[twosage]

there may be a need for some exposition with Wonder Woman...but lets get real here for a second...there's probably hardly anyone in contemporary society who doesn't know who that is (even if the don't know exactly what she is) and yet the last time there was any real mainstream media exposure of the character WAS IN THE 70s some 40 odd years ago...

which hopefully should give you an inkling just how deeply embedded these "iconic" comic book characters actually are in "popular culture"...

Of course, look at people's reactions to the Ang Lee Hulk movie. They expected Bill Bixby hitchhiking to piano music but what they got a modern monster movie (roughly in line with the comic book Hulk) and only passing acknowledgement of the Lou Ferrigno era. Universal / Marvel got scared of the criticism and so the next cinematic foray was a very deliberate attempt to revisit the spirit of the TV show, even including visual designs of sets and effects. The Incredible Hulk was Marvel's second movie and it was dripping with insecurity and half-hearted attempts at world-building... and it sucked. The Hulk everyone loves from the Avengers is loved because they don't bother to go into the details, relying more on the charisma of the actors (Ruffalo and digital) to create a compelling Banner/Hulk that everyone can believe fits their preconceptions of the character.

Here's where it comes back to Wonder Woman. While Movie Bob and I (and probably most people in this forum and who read comics) are hoping for some sort of modern feminist icon robed in the trappings of Classical Greece, most people are going to be expecting Lynda Carter. If they get specific about her at all in this film, they will stray too far from one and lose the audience for the other. When her solo film (or more likely a Justice League film) happens, WB will not be able to handle that pressure. Their "pander at all costs" mentality will result in something... well, something. They currently lack the confidence to this character right. It's a shame only they have the rights.

 

[Silverspetz]

That MMA Chick From Haywire

Gina Carano. I dig why Bob went with the mental shorthand but she's got a name. More to the point, she's got the look for Wonder Woman, and the training. I can't figure why they went with Twiggy, for all the reasons already mentioned but eh. More power to her if she pulls it off, I suppose.

Same reason DC made Amanda Waller thin in New 52 despite all her previous incarnations showing her as heavyset and why they think Wonder Woman is too complicated to give her own movie: They think only one body type can exist.

Women have to be thin and busty without too much muscle or they'll look too masculine and it'll turn away the 14-year-old boys they think are the only audience that see their movies or read their comics.

It would be such a shame if they streamlined Wonder Woman's origin after the New 52 reboot spent so much time giving her not only a different birth, but also a story so much more steeped in Greek mythology than before.

Yes, this is actually the one time I didn't mind the changes made by the reboot. Making WW a demigoddess seems much more in-line with Greek mythology and I think it would be easier to translate to film as well.

Is it really that complicated to just say "Her mother fashioned her from clay made from the magical soil of Themiscyra and she was given life and powers from the Greek pantheon"? I mean her new origin is Wonder-Girl's origin. They just transplanted it to Diana.

That's just it though, you can't just have some guy "say" it. A scene like that requires some epic shots of Hippolyta holding her clay baby up to the skies as lightning strikes. It also requires the movie to answer a hole bunch of questions that comes with this. Why would Hippolyta use such a roundabout way of making a baby? Why would the gods grant her wish and just casually create life like that? Why would they also get together and gift this baby with powers beyond what the other Amazons have?

It is also the origin of just about every "real" Greek mythology figure. Perseus and Hercules? Sons of Zeus. Achilles? Son of a nymph. The guy who laid the groundwork for Rome (can't remember the name at the moment)? Son of Venus. It is more thematically fitting since WW has all of her lore grounded in mythology. If anything, that is way easier to just have someone mention if you want to get it out of the way quickly.

 

[Vausch]

That MMA Chick From Haywire

Gina Carano. I dig why Bob went with the mental shorthand but she's got a name. More to the point, she's got the look for Wonder Woman, and the training. I can't figure why they went with Twiggy, for all the reasons already mentioned but eh. More power to her if she pulls it off, I suppose.

Same reason DC made Amanda Waller thin in New 52 despite all her previous incarnations showing her as heavyset and why they think Wonder Woman is too complicated to give her own movie: They think only one body type can exist.

Women have to be thin and busty without too much muscle or they'll look too masculine and it'll turn away the 14-year-old boys they think are the only audience that see their movies or read their comics.

It would be such a shame if they streamlined Wonder Woman's origin after the New 52 reboot spent so much time giving her not only a different birth, but also a story so much more steeped in Greek mythology than before.

Yes, this is actually the one time I didn't mind the changes made by the reboot. Making WW a demigoddess seems much more in-line with Greek mythology and I think it would be easier to translate to film as well.

Is it really that complicated to just say "Her mother fashioned her from clay made from the magical soil of Themiscyra and she was given life and powers from the Greek pantheon"? I mean her new origin is Wonder-Girl's origin. They just transplanted it to Diana.

That's just it though, you can't just have some guy "say" it. A scene like that requires some epic shots of Hippolyta holding her clay baby up to the skies as lightning strikes. It also requires the movie to answer a hole bunch of questions that comes with this. Why would Hippolyta use such a roundabout way of making a baby? Why would the gods grant her wish and just casually create life like that? Why would they also get together and gift this baby with powers beyond what the other Amazons have?

It is also the origin of just about every "real" Greek mythology figure. Perseus and Hercules? Sons of Zeus. Achilles? Son of a nymph. The guy who laid the groundwork for Rome (can't remember the name at the moment)? Son of Venus. It is more thematically fitting since WW has all of her lore grounded in mythology. If anything, that is way easier to just have someone mention if you want to get it out of the way quickly.

Use the 2009 animated movie as a template. It covered Wonder Woman very well including a slightly revised origin. All they'd have to do is translate that to live action, and possibly extend the opening scene to show the amazonian history.

 

[Silverspetz]

That MMA Chick From Haywire

Gina Carano. I dig why Bob went with the mental shorthand but she's got a name. More to the point, she's got the look for Wonder Woman, and the training. I can't figure why they went with Twiggy, for all the reasons already mentioned but eh. More power to her if she pulls it off, I suppose.

Same reason DC made Amanda Waller thin in New 52 despite all her previous incarnations showing her as heavyset and why they think Wonder Woman is too complicated to give her own movie: They think only one body type can exist.

Women have to be thin and busty without too much muscle or they'll look too masculine and it'll turn away the 14-year-old boys they think are the only audience that see their movies or read their comics.

It would be such a shame if they streamlined Wonder Woman's origin after the New 52 reboot spent so much time giving her not only a different birth, but also a story so much more steeped in Greek mythology than before.

Yes, this is actually the one time I didn't mind the changes made by the reboot. Making WW a demigoddess seems much more in-line with Greek mythology and I think it would be easier to translate to film as well.

Is it really that complicated to just say "Her mother fashioned her from clay made from the magical soil of Themiscyra and she was given life and powers from the Greek pantheon"? I mean her new origin is Wonder-Girl's origin. They just transplanted it to Diana.

That's just it though, you can't just have some guy "say" it. A scene like that requires some epic shots of Hippolyta holding her clay baby up to the skies as lightning strikes. It also requires the movie to answer a hole bunch of questions that comes with this. Why would Hippolyta use such a roundabout way of making a baby? Why would the gods grant her wish and just casually create life like that? Why would they also get together and gift this baby with powers beyond what the other Amazons have?

It is also the origin of just about every "real" Greek mythology figure. Perseus and Hercules? Sons of Zeus. Achilles? Son of a nymph. The guy who laid the groundwork for Rome (can't remember the name at the moment)? Son of Venus. It is more thematically fitting since WW has all of her lore grounded in mythology. If anything, that is way easier to just have someone mention if you want to get it out of the way quickly.

Use the 2009 animated movie as a template. It covered Wonder Woman very well including a slightly revised origin. All they'd have to do is translate that to live action, and possibly extend the opening scene to show the amazonian history.

That would be good, but that movie had a rather long opening sequence explaining all of the things that are complex and convoluted about WW. It shows the Amazons fighting Ares, why they were given Themiscyra, why Hippolyta doesn't want another child from a man and why the gods would reward her with a new child when asked. You probably can't do that as well in a movie where WW has to share screen time with two other heroes.

And as much as I love the animated movie, it too failed miserably at translating some of WW's lore to movie form. Seriously, where the FUCK did the invisible jet come from? They never mention it AT ALL, it just shows up when they need to get off the island. No explanation, no questions asked, NOTHING!

 

[Vausch]

That MMA Chick From Haywire

Gina Carano. I dig why Bob went with the mental shorthand but she's got a name. More to the point, she's got the look for Wonder Woman, and the training. I can't figure why they went with Twiggy, for all the reasons already mentioned but eh. More power to her if she pulls it off, I suppose.

Same reason DC made Amanda Waller thin in New 52 despite all her previous incarnations showing her as heavyset and why they think Wonder Woman is too complicated to give her own movie: They think only one body type can exist.

Women have to be thin and busty without too much muscle or they'll look too masculine and it'll turn away the 14-year-old boys they think are the only audience that see their movies or read their comics.

It would be such a shame if they streamlined Wonder Woman's origin after the New 52 reboot spent so much time giving her not only a different birth, but also a story so much more steeped in Greek mythology than before.

Yes, this is actually the one time I didn't mind the changes made by the reboot. Making WW a demigoddess seems much more in-line with Greek mythology and I think it would be easier to translate to film as well.

Is it really that complicated to just say "Her mother fashioned her from clay made from the magical soil of Themiscyra and she was given life and powers from the Greek pantheon"? I mean her new origin is Wonder-Girl's origin. They just transplanted it to Diana.

That's just it though, you can't just have some guy "say" it. A scene like that requires some epic shots of Hippolyta holding her clay baby up to the skies as lightning strikes. It also requires the movie to answer a hole bunch of questions that comes with this. Why would Hippolyta use such a roundabout way of making a baby? Why would the gods grant her wish and just casually create life like that? Why would they also get together and gift this baby with powers beyond what the other Amazons have?

It is also the origin of just about every "real" Greek mythology figure. Perseus and Hercules? Sons of Zeus. Achilles? Son of a nymph. The guy who laid the groundwork for Rome (can't remember the name at the moment)? Son of Venus. It is more thematically fitting since WW has all of her lore grounded in mythology. If anything, that is way easier to just have someone mention if you want to get it out of the way quickly.

Use the 2009 animated movie as a template. It covered Wonder Woman very well including a slightly revised origin. All they'd have to do is translate that to live action, and possibly extend the opening scene to show the amazonian history.

That would be good, but that movie had a rather long opening sequence explaining all of the things that are complex and convoluted about WW. It shows the Amazons fighting Ares, why they were given Themiscyra, why Hippolyta doesn't want another child from a man and why the gods would reward her with a new child when asked. You probably can't do that as well in a movie where WW has to share screen time with two other heroes.

And as much as I love the animated movie, it too failed miserably at translating some of WW's lore to movie form. Seriously, where the FUCK did the invisible jet come from? They never mention it AT ALL, it just shows up when they need to get off the island. No explanation, no questions asked, NOTHING!

They can drop the jet, that's kind of one of those unnecessary things about her since she can fly.

Otherwise though, if they can make the scene concise and focused, people would likely be willing to sit through 15-20 minutes of Wondey's origin. They sat through it in Man of Steel...sort of, it was so disjointed and unfocused who knows what we sat through.