Seriously what, everyone is like "segregate california", "nuke the gay cali bastards" etc.
so whhat's the problem?
EDIT: i'm not American
so whhat's the problem?
EDIT: i'm not American
Whats so bad about calfornia?
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california is a very liberal place and most californians consider themselves to be the progressive state (most liberals laws get passed here first and then spread to the other states) but it is full of political correctness and people not trying to hurt each others feelings. these things are both good and bad but most gamers are pissed about the gaming law that they are trying to pass, i red the manuscript for it and it seems the judges are in favor of repealing the bill because video games fall under art and freedom of speech
FYI im from california
FYI im from california
the state makes plenty of money (we just spend more than we make). i have lived here over 20 years and have never experienced an earthquake of note (i slept through one if that counts but nothing broke or even moved on the shelves). housing prices are actually really cheap right now but you are right in the fact that overall they are more expensive but what people tend not to hear is that californians get paid more for the same job. a job with a salary of 60k can earn you 70-80k here in californiaHankMan said:
Expensive, crowded, local laws are too restrictive... highway cops tend to be assholes; in fact, the whole state's traffic enforcement system seems designed to try to fuck over any out-of-state visitor...
That said, it's not all that bad if you stay away from the major cities and military bases. much of the coastline is still rural, and absolutely gorgeous.
That said, it's not all that bad if you stay away from the major cities and military bases. much of the coastline is still rural, and absolutely gorgeous.
California is like a world apart from the rest of the United States. When you cross that state border, it really is like crossing the border into another country, and your first dose of that will be at the border. I've crossed many state lines in the past, but the only time I have ever had to stop at a checkpoint and have my vehicle searched (they were looking for weapons) was when we moved to California. Their laws are incredibly draconian in comparison to the rest of the western states, and they don't exactly approve of any of those states and their inhabitants.
Past that, people in California generally seem sort of aware about the affairs of the rest of the world, but know nothing about the rest of the United States around them. I moved there from Colorado Springs, and I was asked many times (from people who were dead serious) how I was liking the improved technology in California, as if the rest of the country was still behind. This was despite the fact that San Jose was one of the most limited and backwards cities I've lived in.
The municipalities and state government takes projects on by the hundreds and runs them into the ground, racking up ridiculous amounts of debt and constantly increasing taxes on property, homes, land, etc. And despite all of the money flying around, nothing ever seems to be solved. The schools are worse, the roads are worse, people who are supposed to be receiving aid never do, rates of energy consumption are ridiculously high, and the water crisis wasn't solved or even really addressed while I was living there. Those governments also set precedents and tout them as wild successes, leading many liberal run governments around the rest of the country to cite their success and then begin the same unsustainable and inefficient practices. I also do not approve of their draconian approach to gun control, especially since I frequently saw gang members and drug runners who were well enough armed despite the laws.
Despite that whole laundry list of things I hated about the state, I didn't necessarily hate it there. It's so expensive that I wouldn't ever want to live there again, but I actually enjoyed living there quite a bit believe it or not. There's a lot of fun things to do, the landscape is beautiful, the people aren't so bad, and the weather is quite nice if you're looking to get away from heavy snow and rains. The actual social environment which people are typically bashing left and right is kind of pleasant and only a target because of intolerant idiots. Those who talk about economic issues and issues of governance though, I completely agree that there are major problems.
Past that, people in California generally seem sort of aware about the affairs of the rest of the world, but know nothing about the rest of the United States around them. I moved there from Colorado Springs, and I was asked many times (from people who were dead serious) how I was liking the improved technology in California, as if the rest of the country was still behind. This was despite the fact that San Jose was one of the most limited and backwards cities I've lived in.
The municipalities and state government takes projects on by the hundreds and runs them into the ground, racking up ridiculous amounts of debt and constantly increasing taxes on property, homes, land, etc. And despite all of the money flying around, nothing ever seems to be solved. The schools are worse, the roads are worse, people who are supposed to be receiving aid never do, rates of energy consumption are ridiculously high, and the water crisis wasn't solved or even really addressed while I was living there. Those governments also set precedents and tout them as wild successes, leading many liberal run governments around the rest of the country to cite their success and then begin the same unsustainable and inefficient practices. I also do not approve of their draconian approach to gun control, especially since I frequently saw gang members and drug runners who were well enough armed despite the laws.
Despite that whole laundry list of things I hated about the state, I didn't necessarily hate it there. It's so expensive that I wouldn't ever want to live there again, but I actually enjoyed living there quite a bit believe it or not. There's a lot of fun things to do, the landscape is beautiful, the people aren't so bad, and the weather is quite nice if you're looking to get away from heavy snow and rains. The actual social environment which people are typically bashing left and right is kind of pleasant and only a target because of intolerant idiots. Those who talk about economic issues and issues of governance though, I completely agree that there are major problems.
Like anywhere else, California is a mixed bag.
As a resident of the San Francisco peninsula, my view is that CA's biggest problems are its decaying public infrastructure and obscene real estate prices. Where else can you be expected to pay $500,000 for a 1200-square-foot condo? Or $1000/month for a studio apartment?
Curiously, both problems may find their root in our artificially low property tax rates, rolled back some 35 years ago under what is colloquially known as Proposition 13. Without the tax revenues, public school funding dropped through the floor, and had to be made up from the general fund. And without the taxes, there was less counter-force to real estate prices going up. Result: Public services and infrastructure are perennially under-funded in a State where it's absurdly expensive to live.
I confess I fail to see how "nuking teh gayz" would fix any of this.
As a resident of the San Francisco peninsula, my view is that CA's biggest problems are its decaying public infrastructure and obscene real estate prices. Where else can you be expected to pay $500,000 for a 1200-square-foot condo? Or $1000/month for a studio apartment?
Curiously, both problems may find their root in our artificially low property tax rates, rolled back some 35 years ago under what is colloquially known as Proposition 13. Without the tax revenues, public school funding dropped through the floor, and had to be made up from the general fund. And without the taxes, there was less counter-force to real estate prices going up. Result: Public services and infrastructure are perennially under-funded in a State where it's absurdly expensive to live.
I confess I fail to see how "nuking teh gayz" would fix any of this.
This might be what has most under-18 men pissed off, but its hardly the underlying reason for California's systemic problems and challenges.Soviet Heavy said:
The fruits and nuts do roll west, to be sure, but most Californians are quite level-headed. The real problem is the constitution and lack of foresight.
Oooo! Where's that? It reminds me of the area around San Gregorio State Beach, but it could honestly be anywhere...loc978 said:That said, it's not all that bad if you stay away from the major cities and military bases. much of the coastline is still rural, and absolutely gorgeous.
Can't really put my finger on why I hate California personally, but it has something to do with the people leaving in droves and moving into the suburbs near where I live in Colorado. It's really irritating when every 14 year old you see thinks he grew up in fucking South Central, and every goddamned family tries to turn their nice, new, well-kept neighborhood in Colorado into fucking South Central. Seriously? If that's the shit you're into, MOVE TO SOUTH CENTRAL.
The only people from California I don't mind are San Franciscans, and that's because they all move to Boulder. And I won't go anywhere near that town for fear of catching hippie.
The only people from California I don't mind are San Franciscans, and that's because they all move to Boulder. And I won't go anywhere near that town for fear of catching hippie.
New Jersey has absurd real estate values and high property tax, so there!ewhac said:
We have cheap gas though, and you don't even have to pump it. Of course, New Jersey has better schools and we weren't hit as bad by the housing market collapse because of the high property tax rates.
Too easy, Buffy.HG131 said:
I've visited California and a number of other states, didn't really seem much different other than having nicer weather than most places and not being as cheap as some places.
Im sure it has to do with "ze gonvena of calefornaz" and his anti-gameing crusade. For me i have nothing against it myself.... probably because my Lucky Star and Elfen Lied keychains just came today and they where shipped from there.
Ah, yes, the water problem. You are correct in that it hasn't really been addressed. I believe Redwood City has a moratorium on all new construction not replacing existing construction, as their water allotment is exhausted. KTEH's mini-series, "Cadillac Desert" covered California's story of water very well.Wolfenbarg said:
The solution, of course, is to insist the largest water users be more efficient. That would be the agricultural users in the Central Valley, and they have pushed back on any such suggestions forever. (These are the same straw hats that hire predominantly undocumented workers with one hand, and then try to deny them access to public services with the other (Prop. 187).)
I just moved here, and I hate it. This place is the epitome of style over substance. The coastline is dotted with the remains of million dollar houses that have fallen into the ocean and houses inhabited by people too stupid to sell and move inland before it happens to them. Too much money, not enough sense, and a general superior attitude for their dumb-ass hippie ways.
Seriously, these are people who think that a sign on a window will prevent someone with blood on their mind from shooting up the joint. "Oh, wait, I'm not allowed to bring my gun in here... Shit. I guess I'll just engage in my spree-killing somewhere else."
On the upside, quasi-legal pot. You need it to deal with the stupid, but it's one of those vicious circle things...
Seriously, these are people who think that a sign on a window will prevent someone with blood on their mind from shooting up the joint. "Oh, wait, I'm not allowed to bring my gun in here... Shit. I guess I'll just engage in my spree-killing somewhere else."
On the upside, quasi-legal pot. You need it to deal with the stupid, but it's one of those vicious circle things...
I live here and hate it. It's summer for 90% of the year, horribly bright and sunny, rent and housing prices are to damn high, The proposition system is just horrible and makes some stupid laws, For all it's political correctness people are still rather unsavory, Job market is horrible (but that true for the rest of the country), oh and did I mention it's always freakn hot. Chinatown/Japantown/Embarcadero in SF and Sonoma and the Sierras are pretty kickass though.
I believe we were lost while making our way back to 101 on our way back from Shelter Cove at that point. I may be misremembering, though.ewhac said:Oooo! Where's that? It reminds me of the area around San Gregorio State Beach, but it could honestly be anywhere...loc978 said:That said, it's not all that bad if you stay away from the major cities and military bases. much of the coastline is still rural, and absolutely gorgeous.
a few more images from the same area (I think):
aaand the reason we were lost:
