What's so great about Cthulhu?

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Enrathi

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It's been a while since I've read Lovecraft, so please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Cthulhu simply the High Priest of the Elder Gods? The fact that he sleeps in R'Yleh and his dreams seeping into our reality cause madness yet he is only a priest for the Elder Gods, they are far more powerful than he.

I think the horror comes from the fact that it was at the time forcing people to look at themselves, at humanity as a whole and realize that while we may be top dog on our little rock, there is a great vast unknown out there and in the grand scheme of things we're less significant than the insects we daily ignore. And like those insects, who's to say there aren't beings magnitudes more powerful than we are, just as we are to the ant?
 

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Madara XIII said:
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Versuvius said:
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TheDarkEricDraven said:
Nothing. Nothing at all. When it comes to eldritch beings, I like Zalgo better, or even the Slender Man.
I prefer the Outer Gods over the Elder Gods

Yog Sothoth and Azathoth severely outweigh Cthulhu, Nyarlethotep, Dagon, Hydra and Shub Niggurath.
I am the gate, i am the key.
Past, Present, Future....all are one in Yog Sothoth
Well, as a Great Old One, technically Cthulhu was more of a worshipper of these gods, a priest capable of comprehending and appreciating the agendas of such entities or concepts, which are of course far beyond the ken of mortal minds.

For that matter, I felt that even August Derleth was beating a (that is not dead which can eternal lie) dead horse.
Ok I seriously Geeked out like the lovecraft fan boy that I am with that reference. DAMN YOU ABDUL ALHAZRED AND YOUR AWESOME NON-EXISTENT BOOK!!

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die"

Anyway you do make a rousing argument on Cthulhu's part. After all he is the preacher for these great entities and the fact that he himself is so incomprehensible only adds to the terror of the Entities of which he must translate.
Scary shit indeed.
You said it!

And as to the dreaded 'Book that Shall Not Be Named', I love seeing it referenced in other people's works, both in prose and especially in other venues of horror- there is a shot of the musty tome of evil in one of the 'Friday the 13th' movies, and in one of the 'A Nightmare on Elm Street's as well!
 

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Racecarlock said:
Well, I did say rampage style sandbox game, didn't I? Also, I was kind of thinking more about the south park version of cthulu rather than the original lovecraft version.
Ah yes...The South Park representation of Cthulu...The accepted canon of the Cthulu mythos.
 

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Lovecraft's stories aren't about, "OMG scary Dragon-Kraken-OldGod," its about his writing of the psychological fear of such beings and the people and feelings that surround these things. As someone said, Cthulu is about the fear of nothingness (something all FF final bosses know about very well), its the fear of not existing, and the fear of something that is truly that alien and that unknowable, and Cthulu, unlike the most popular figure of God in our time, is something that is made to actually exist in that realm, and that it has the malicious intent of causing this nothingness.

At least that's what I've come to understand, from thumbing through very few pages, and reading a wikipedia entry or two.
 

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He's a dark god and the embodiment of nightmares... not much else to say. The kaiju/dragon/krakken description is just icing.

As to why he's so popular I'd have to say he isn't. South Park used him last season and that sort of revitalized the character's name in pop culture but really he's still pretty obscure.
 

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There is no "Cthulhu Mythos," that just came about because Lovecraft and his friends like Clark Ashton Smith would joking reference each other's work. After Lovecraft died, the very literal-minded and very Christian August Derleth took it upon himself to turn Lovecraft and friends' highly-alien creatures into good guy and bad guy gods with his shitty fanfiction. That's not how Lovecraft saw them at all.

Cthulhu is not just a Kraken mixed with a dragon with an octopus face. Again, some very literal-minded artists drew that image and it stuck. Cthulhu is a force of nature, something totally beyond our understanding. Those three things are as close as someone can come to describing it -- but it's still a pretty bad representation.

I suggest reading Lovecraft for his themes -- atheism, cosmic pessimism, and (sadly) even racism. The monsters are just his way of getting those things across.
 

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ResonanceGames said:
There is no "Cthulhu Mythos," that just came about because Lovecraft and his friends like Clark Ashton Smith would joking reference each other's work. After Lovecraft died, the very literal-minded and very Christian August Derleth took it upon himself to turn Lovecraft and friends' highly-alien creatures into good guy and bad guy gods with his shitty fanfiction. That's not how Lovecraft saw them at all.

Cthulhu is not just a Kraken mixed with a dragon with an octopus face. Again, some very literal-minded artists drew that image and it stuck. Cthulhu is a force of nature, something totally beyond our understanding. Those three things are as close as someone can come to describing it -- but it's still a pretty bad representation.

I suggest reading Lovecraft for his themes -- atheism, cosmic pessimism, and (sadly) even racism. The monsters are just his way of getting those things across.
There IS a cthulhu mythos. By making the setting and characters open to anybody who wants to use or write using to whatever way they intend it creates a mythos. It also means that the gods never exactly the same twice from different authors, giving them a rather unique and chaotic flavour...if the writers aren't hacks anyway.
 

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There is absolutely nothing great about Cthulhu.... he's merely a being to us as we are to ants... He only seems god-like from our perspective due to him being a higher dimensional entity... there is absolutely, positively NOTHING special about him.

This whole -he brings about the end of the world- thing... is preposterous. What happens is that the stars align (that's a special way of saying something big happens), and the ocean, which had once kept him imprisoned, and he fully awakes. He then gets up, and goes about his business flying through the cosmos. He. Doesn't. Care. About. The. Earth.
In fact, the only reason why he's here is because "the stars aligned" and trapped him here beneath the ocean. He was just PASSING THROUGH.
As to the whole psychic thing... Due to his higher dimensionality, his thought patterns reverberate down to our dimensionality and cause very bad things to happen to people's minds... but he doesn't cause that on purpose, nor is it some sort of mystical power... It's just him thinking.
It's like if a gnat flew under your nose... and then you breathed out. To the gnat, you are a god that makes hurricane, but in reality... you just breathed. It's the same thing.

The level of misinformation out there by 99% of the "Cthulhu fans" is disturbing. Go read the damn short stories before you say you actually like him, I say!

Nyarlathotep on the other hand.......
He is actually something that is deserving of praise/fear.

Hells, even the Elder Things! Those are WAAAAAAY more chilling than Cthulhu!
Namely because they actually have a vested interest in humanity and earth.......

Go actually read some of Lovecraft's work. I highly recommend it.
Just be sure it's some of his actual work and not part of the "Cthulhu Mythos"... Lovecraft never made such a thing. Namely because he was a VERY devout atheist. To him the collection of tales that involved the Old Ones/Elder Gods/Old Gods/"Cthulhu and Friends" and the Outer Gods he would call "Yogsothothery" or nothing at all... because to him, they were just narrative tools to appeal to what people are afraid of... there was no magic or mythology in it for him... just literary devices to create a good story.
It's depressing to have that major theme of his work bastardized so.
/rant against posers
 

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I like Lovecraft's work, but I don't find him terrifying. I believe that the appeal, in terms of horror, to many (especially to those of his time), was the idea of something so alien, so vile, dark, out there, etc. it drove people mad just by looking/seeing/hearing the freaking name of it. The Colour of Space for example, and there will be spoilers:

was basically the idea of a very color that appeared that was so bizarre and undefinable that the narrator's friends were shaking and starting to gibber with madness. Here's a section that about defines what Lovecraft's all about, in regards to the themes of scary unknown things:

"So the men paused indecisively as the light from the well grew stronger and the hitched horses pawed and whinnied in increasing frenzy. It was truly an awful moment; with terror in that ancient and accursed house itself, four monstrous sets of fragments?two from the house and two from the well?in the woodshed behind, and that shaft of unknown and unholy iridescence from the slimy depths in front. Ammi had restrained the driver on impulse, forgetting how uninjured he himself was after the clammy brushing of that coloured vapour in the attic room, but perhaps it is just as well that he acted as he did. No one will ever know what was abroad that night; and though the blasphemy from beyond had not so far hurt any human of unweakened mind, there is no telling what it might not have done at that last moment, and with its seemingly increased strength and the special signs of purpose it was soon to display beneath the half-clouded moonlit sky.
All at once one of the detectives at the window gave a short, sharp gasp. The others looked at him, and then quickly followed his own gaze upward to the point at which its idle straying had been suddenly arrested. There was no need for words. What had been disputed in country gossip was disputable no longer, and it is because of the thing which every man of that party agreed in whispering later on that the strange days are never talked about in Arkham. It is necessary to premise that there was no wind at that hour of the evening. One did arise not long afterward, but there was absolutely none then. Even the dry tips of the lingering hedge-mustard, grey and blighted, and the fringe on the roof of the standing democrat-wagon were unstirred. And yet amid that tense, godless calm the high bare boughs of all the trees in the yard were moving. They were twitching morbidly and spasmodically, clawing in convulsive and epileptic madness at the moonlit clouds; scratching impotently in the noxious air as if jerked by some alien and bodiless line of linkage with subterrene horrors writhing and struggling below the black roots.
Not a man breathed for several seconds. Then a cloud of darker depth passed over the moon, and the silhouette of clutching branches faded out momentarily. At this there was a general cry; muffled with awe, but husky and almost identical from every throat. For the terror had not faded with the silhouette, and in a fearsome instant of deeper darkness the watchers saw wriggling at that treetop height a thousand tiny points of faint and unhallowed radiance, tipping each bough like the fire of St. Elmo or the flames that came down on the apostles? heads at Pentecost. It was a monstrous constellation of unnatural light, like a glutted swarm of corpse-fed fireflies dancing hellish sarabands over an accursed marsh; and its colour was that same nameless intrusion which Ammi had come to recognise and dread. All the while the shaft of phosphorescence from the well was getting brighter and brighter, bringing to the minds of the huddled men a sense of doom and abnormality which far outraced any image their conscious minds could form. It was no longer shining out, it was pouring out; and as the shapeless stream of unplaceable colour left the well it seemed to flow directly into the sky.
The veterinary shivered, and walked to the front door to drop the heavy extra bar across it. Ammi shook no less, and had to tug and point for lack of a controllable voice when he wished to draw notice to the growing luminosity of the trees. The neighing and stamping of the horses had become utterly frightful, but not a soul of that group in the old house would have ventured forth for any earthly reward. With the moments the shining of the trees increased, while their restless branches seemed to strain more and more toward verticality. The wood of the well-sweep was shining now, and presently a policeman dumbly pointed to some wooden sheds and bee-hives near the stone wall on the west. They were commencing to shine, too, though the tethered vehicles of the visitors seemed so far unaffected. Then there was a wild commotion and clopping in the road, and as Ammi quenched the lamp for better seeing they realised that the span of frantic greys had broke their sapling and run off with the democrat-wagon.
The shock served to loosen several tongues, and embarrassed whispers were exchanged. ?It spreads on everything organic that?s been around here,? muttered the medical examiner. No one replied, but the man who had been in the well gave a hint that his long pole must have stirred up something intangible. ?It was awful,? he added. ?There was no bottom at all. Just ooze and bubbles and the feeling of something lurking under there.? Ammi?s horse still pawed and screamed deafeningly in the road outside, and nearly drowned its owner?s faint quaver as he mumbled his formless reflections. ?It come from that stone . . . it growed down thar . . . it got everything livin? . . . it fed itself on ?em, mind and body . . . Thad an? Mernie, Zenas an? Nabby . . . Nahum was the last . . . they all drunk the water . . . it got strong on ?em . . . it come from beyond, whar things ain?t like they be here . . . now it?s goin? home. . . .?
At this point, as the column of unknown colour flared suddenly stronger and began to weave itself into fantastic suggestions of shape which each spectator later described differently, there came from poor tethered Hero such a sound as no man before or since ever heard from a horse. Every person in that low-pitched sitting room stopped his ears, and Ammi turned away from the window in horror and nausea. Words could not convey it?when Ammi looked out again the hapless beast lay huddled inert on the moonlit ground between the splintered shafts of the buggy. That was the last of Hero till they buried him next day. But the present was no time to mourn, for almost at this instant a detective silently called attention to something terrible in the very room with them. In the absence of the lamplight it was clear that a faint phosphorescence had begun to pervade the entire apartment. It glowed on the broad-planked floor and the fragment of rag carpet, and shimmered over the sashes of the small-paned windows. It ran up and down the exposed corner-posts, coruscated about the shelf and mantel, and infected the very doors and furniture. Each minute saw it strengthen, and at last it was very plain that healthy living things must leave that house.
Ammi shewed them the back door and the path up through the fields to the ten-acre pasture. They walked and stumbled as in a dream, and did not dare look back till they were far away on the high ground. They were glad of the path, for they could not have gone the front way, by that well. It was bad enough passing the glowing barn and sheds, and those shining orchard trees with their gnarled, fiendish contours; but thank heaven the branches did their worst twisting high up. The moon went under some very black clouds as they crossed the rustic bridge over Chapman?s Brook, and it was blind groping from there to the open meadows.
When they looked back toward the valley and the distant Gardner place at the bottom they saw a fearsome sight. All the farm was shining with the hideous unknown blend of colour; trees, buildings, and even such grass and herbage as had not been wholly changed to lethal grey brittleness. The boughs were all straining skyward, tipped with tongues of foul flame, and lambent tricklings of the same monstrous fire were creeping about the ridgepoles of the house, barn, and sheds. It was a scene from a vision of Fuseli, and over all the rest reigned that riot of luminous amorphousness, that alien and undimensioned rainbow of cryptic poison from the well?seething, feeling, lapping, reaching, scintillating, straining, and malignly bubbling in its cosmic and unrecognisable chromaticism.
Then without warning the hideous thing shot vertically up toward the sky like a rocket or meteor, leaving behind no trail and disappearing through a round and curiously regular hole in the clouds before any man could gasp or cry out. No watcher can ever forget that sight, and Ammi stared blankly at the stars of Cygnus, Deneb twinkling above the others, where the unknown colour had melted into the Milky Way. But his gaze was the next moment called swiftly to earth by the crackling in the valley. It was just that. Only a wooden ripping and crackling, and not an explosion, as so many others of the party vowed. Yet the outcome was the same, for in one feverish, kaleidoscopic instant there burst up from that doomed and accursed farm a gleamingly eruptive cataclysm of unnatural sparks and substance; blurring the glance of the few who saw it, and sending forth to the zenith a bombarding cloudburst of such coloured and fantastic fragments as our universe must needs disown. Through quickly re-closing vapours they followed the great morbidity that had vanished, and in another second they had vanished too. Behind and below was only a darkness to which the men dared not return, and all about was a mounting wind which seemed to sweep down in black, frore gusts from interstellar space. It shrieked and howled, and lashed the fields and distorted woods in a mad cosmic frenzy, till soon the trembling party realised it would be no use waiting for the moon to shew what was left down there at Nahum?s.
Too awed even to hint theories, the seven shaking men trudged back toward Arkham by the north road. Ammi was worse than his fellows, and begged them to see him inside his own kitchen, instead of keeping straight on to town. He did not wish to cross the nighted, wind-whipped woods alone to his home on the main road. For he had had an added shock that the others were spared, and was crushed forever with a brooding fear he dared not even mention for many years to come. As the rest of the watchers on that tempestuous hill had stolidly set their faces toward the road, Ammi had looked back an instant at the shadowed valley of desolation so lately sheltering his ill-starred friend. And from that stricken, far-away spot he had seen something feebly rise, only to sink down again upon the place from which the great shapeless horror had shot into the sky. It was just a colour?but not any colour of our earth or heavens. And because Ammi recognised that colour, and knew that this last faint remnant must still lurk down there in the well, he has never been quite right since."


I know it's a large chunk of text, but it has all the basic elements of popularized HP Lovecraft stories; alien beings (in more ways than one), the unknown, its effects on humans/human mind, and the terror it brings. Back in it's days, just like the works of Poe, the stories were terrifying. I enjoy the stories more for their ideas of the beings, and their effects on humans, and for the more sci-fi aspect than horror. It's just not your genre of horror. Now, that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I would recommend rephrasing your statement. I am aware you mean no offense, but I cannot help but feel that you are coming off as accusing or insulting.

Now, in terms of Cthulhu's popularity, think of Cthulhu as an extremely old meme. As far as I can tell, he only appeared directly in one story, and his name was mentioned in other ones in brief passing. However, the fans of the stories have expanded his popularity beyond the direct source material. So, blame the fans of the stories if anything.

One must also remember that Lovecraft encouraged his writing circle to add stories to his universe, and those members extended the invitation to others. So technically, just about anything could be in the canon of the mythos.
 

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Versuvius said:
Tangentally, when the At The Mountains of Madness film was put into development hell, i went into nerdrage mode.
I feel your pain on this one, I was really looking forward to.
 

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Versuvius said:
There IS a cthulhu mythos. By making the setting and characters open to anybody who wants to use or write using to whatever way they intend it creates a mythos.
If you want to argue that other people borrowing and expanding on Lovecraft's work constitutes a mythos, fine. But Lovecraft's work did not have any underlying mythos ala Tolkienn, which is the myth I was trying to dispel.

The Rise and Fall of the Cthulhu Mythos by S.T. Joshi goes into a lot of detail on the subject.
 

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Lovecraft is just one of the best for horror, by the sounds of you its just not your thing. Not going to try and make you like it theres no point when u already have your views on it. I guess a way of putting lovecrafts storys are more about fear then just scares. Cthulhu is cool and all and I do like the storys around him, heck i just like most of the lovecraft things I have read because of the way its written, its hard to explain. To me tho the stuff around Nyarlathotep is more intresting then the sleeping old one.
 

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People who enjoy the setting and mecha anime check out Cthulhu Tech. It is one long awesomefest. The disclaimer is along the lines of "This is Neon Genesis Evangelon. With Mi-Go, the titular gods and eldritch abominations in power armour and cockpits hardwired into their brains".

Thank me later.
 

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Cthulhu actually isn't the most powerful entity in the Cthulhu Mythos, just the one who's most likely to kill everyone.
The fact that simply looking at the creature can cause a completely stable man to go insane and that there's no hope if he rises is the real horror. That's kind of the point of Lovecrafts works. It's not these creatures appearances that are supposed to be scary, it's the fact that we humans are insignificant and that there are forces out there that are so horrible that to simply acknowledge their existence would drive us mad.
 

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I'm probably WAAAAAY to late for this thread for my post to matter, but Lovecraft's point was that the universe was so massive and unimaginably huge that beings like Cthulhu could exist. It's kind of a nihilistic take on how abso-fucking-lutely tiny we are in the scope of the universe that which is commonplace in the outer reaches of space is mind-rendingly horrible to our puny human senses.

Cthulhu isn't my favorite Lovecraft monster. He's actually kind of boring. Most of his horror is just taken as red. We don't see a lot of what he can do. In the story "The Call of Cthulhu," the big guy himself wakes up from his slumber for about 15 minutes. Because of that, people the world over start killing themselves over the horrific night terrors that he caused. His mere presence on Earth is like an infectious disease to the collective unconscious.

But read about Yog'Sothoth and Nyalarthotep. Those are a couple Lovecraft deities much more interesting than Cthulhu.
 

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For anyone that doesn't have the patience or the vocabulary to read the stories, listen to the H.P. Lovecraft Literary Podcast on itunes or at their website, http://www.hppodcraft.com. It's a shame that more people don't read Lovecraft because of the language/age barrier, because there are alot of good stories with interesting concepts. This podcast helps alleviate this by breaking down the stories into modern terms. Listen to Chad and Chris discuss the stories, then find your favorites online to get the full descriptive flavor. (public domain FTW)