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Wait, not gay Sex, I meant extreme sex, E.G. Rapes and the Copraphilia, etc.Zenn3k said:
What's the problem with Nudity and Swearing?
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well with the whole nudity thing
many north Americans (more about the US) there is two ways that people imagine being nude for and it either having a bath or shower or you are having sex so if your not bathing then your having sex. Also many states have some law about public nudity so many people think of the naked body as something sexual.
hence why a lot of Americans flipped out when they saw for not even a second of boob. more specifically Janet Jackson's boob
and swearing the words just had a bad rap. i mean farmers use to say that they were fucking the fields when they were planting seeds. because they were planting the seeds of life such as guys would be doing to their wives.
many north Americans (more about the US) there is two ways that people imagine being nude for and it either having a bath or shower or you are having sex so if your not bathing then your having sex. Also many states have some law about public nudity so many people think of the naked body as something sexual.
hence why a lot of Americans flipped out when they saw for not even a second of boob. more specifically Janet Jackson's boob
and swearing the words just had a bad rap. i mean farmers use to say that they were fucking the fields when they were planting seeds. because they were planting the seeds of life such as guys would be doing to their wives.
Sodomy doesn't mean gay sex. Sodomy, when people actually read the damn thing, was referring to gang rape and violent rape (and other sexual practices) in Sodom, and not just between men and men. However, the church overlooks this completely, and goes off on one about the evils of homosexuality, and a decent message is completely lost in translation.KeyMaster45 said:
tl;dr: Not buttsecks, but 2 girls 1 cup would be right out.
This is why i love living in Finland.
Cursing is just an everyday part of Finnish conversation.
Not to mention that getting hot, naked and sweaty in a small room while whipping each other with birch leaves (AKA Sauna) is our national pastime.
Fins are taught from an early age that nudity is a normal part of life, and there is not a fin around who wouldnt hesitate to strip to nothing infront of his friends, relatives or even random members of the opposite sex. In finland, Sauna is a nessesity, not a luxury. Almost every house has its own Sauna.
Just this weekend i was at a friends house for a sauna party. There was 5 guys and 7 girls. We had a great time. Drinking, socialising and playing guitar hero in between sauna sessions and there wasnt the slightest hint of sexual activity. Hell, i was there with my girlfriend. I didnt care my friends were seeing her naked and she didnt care other women saw me naked.
We have a saying. "Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa" or "A home is not a home without a sauna".
Nudity isnt essentially sexual and i think its sick and twisted that other cultures twist and mutilate the minds and self esteem of their children by teaching them that their body is somehow disgusting, shameful and wrong and should be covered at all times.
In fact, i remember a couple of years back there was a colum written in the Helsinki newspapers about how prudish Americans and other foreginers are when comming to finland. The theme of the article was pretty much "Whats the big deal?".
As it so happens, i managed to find its online version - It features a huge array of finnish personalitys. From TV stars, newscasters, radio DJs and even high ranking politicians.
Each with a self written article and a nude photo.
You can find the arcitles here. Reading them wont do you much good unless you can speak finnish, but the point remains.
Whats the big deal people?
http://www.hs.fi/juttusarja/sielujaruumis/
Please note that that article contains nudity, and if i were to get banned for that link, it would be the height of irony.
Still, i shall post it anyway.
Cursing is just an everyday part of Finnish conversation.
Not to mention that getting hot, naked and sweaty in a small room while whipping each other with birch leaves (AKA Sauna) is our national pastime.
Fins are taught from an early age that nudity is a normal part of life, and there is not a fin around who wouldnt hesitate to strip to nothing infront of his friends, relatives or even random members of the opposite sex. In finland, Sauna is a nessesity, not a luxury. Almost every house has its own Sauna.
Just this weekend i was at a friends house for a sauna party. There was 5 guys and 7 girls. We had a great time. Drinking, socialising and playing guitar hero in between sauna sessions and there wasnt the slightest hint of sexual activity. Hell, i was there with my girlfriend. I didnt care my friends were seeing her naked and she didnt care other women saw me naked.
We have a saying. "Koti ei ole koti ilman saunaa" or "A home is not a home without a sauna".
Nudity isnt essentially sexual and i think its sick and twisted that other cultures twist and mutilate the minds and self esteem of their children by teaching them that their body is somehow disgusting, shameful and wrong and should be covered at all times.
In fact, i remember a couple of years back there was a colum written in the Helsinki newspapers about how prudish Americans and other foreginers are when comming to finland. The theme of the article was pretty much "Whats the big deal?".
As it so happens, i managed to find its online version - It features a huge array of finnish personalitys. From TV stars, newscasters, radio DJs and even high ranking politicians.
Each with a self written article and a nude photo.
You can find the arcitles here. Reading them wont do you much good unless you can speak finnish, but the point remains.
Whats the big deal people?
http://www.hs.fi/juttusarja/sielujaruumis/
Please note that that article contains nudity, and if i were to get banned for that link, it would be the height of irony.
Still, i shall post it anyway.
Thanks for clearing that up with people. People have gotten their definitions very wrong.Lexodus said:
A taboo is derived from context, and context is defined by societal constraint. Society is constantly shaped by history, and history remembers its taboos.
Take the taboo of swearing - it's the usage of words that may offend another person given proper context. Society constrains the words we use so that they may have more than one meaning, and so that they may have stronger meanings given context. These constraints are shaped historically by common conflicts, both internal and external. These conflicts are managed, perpetuated, and maintained by religious or governmental persuasion.
In the case of modern "Western" society, much of our culture is defined by the rise and spread of Christianity. The defining characteristic of the Christian philosophy is to "treat other people as you would have them treat you." Somewhere along the way, people figured out that they don't like having swears used against them, and philosophically were bound to view them as taboo to protect the common trust. No one at the time was able to disagree with this sentiment, as the governmental force of the time consisted of "we'll kill you if you get uppity," so the taboo stood.
It wasn't until the second half of the 20th century that we realized our society is shaped by the people that choose to participate therein, rather than the people that society empowers to protect our culture. I consider myself extremely privileged to be able to swear as I see appropriate, view pornography, and even change my body as I see fit. In recompense for this great honor, I show respect to those we've empowered by not telling them what fucking moronic little asswipes they are.
When it comes to nudity, it's a context thing. I know that nudity isn't equivalent to sex, but the first thought that comes into my head when I see a naked person is either "aw dude, gross" or "I hope she doesn't mind me staring as much as I am." This is because I am culturally and biologically stimulated by the bare figure of other humans (specifically physically attractive ladies.) I believe in our ability to tear down these taboos, but the only way to get rid of them is to remove the base instincts at work.
Take the taboo of swearing - it's the usage of words that may offend another person given proper context. Society constrains the words we use so that they may have more than one meaning, and so that they may have stronger meanings given context. These constraints are shaped historically by common conflicts, both internal and external. These conflicts are managed, perpetuated, and maintained by religious or governmental persuasion.
In the case of modern "Western" society, much of our culture is defined by the rise and spread of Christianity. The defining characteristic of the Christian philosophy is to "treat other people as you would have them treat you." Somewhere along the way, people figured out that they don't like having swears used against them, and philosophically were bound to view them as taboo to protect the common trust. No one at the time was able to disagree with this sentiment, as the governmental force of the time consisted of "we'll kill you if you get uppity," so the taboo stood.
It wasn't until the second half of the 20th century that we realized our society is shaped by the people that choose to participate therein, rather than the people that society empowers to protect our culture. I consider myself extremely privileged to be able to swear as I see appropriate, view pornography, and even change my body as I see fit. In recompense for this great honor, I show respect to those we've empowered by not telling them what fucking moronic little asswipes they are.
When it comes to nudity, it's a context thing. I know that nudity isn't equivalent to sex, but the first thought that comes into my head when I see a naked person is either "aw dude, gross" or "I hope she doesn't mind me staring as much as I am." This is because I am culturally and biologically stimulated by the bare figure of other humans (specifically physically attractive ladies.) I believe in our ability to tear down these taboos, but the only way to get rid of them is to remove the base instincts at work.
Ok on swearing part I agree 1000% and I thank you for that video, Stephen Fry ftw.
On nudity... well, dunno about you, but I don't like seeing guys walking around with their bits hanging out. To those of us who are not attracted to something sexually, we don't like seeing it, it's not really a big mystery. I don't mind it in movies/games if that's what you meant, but proper nudists, like on houses/beaches, it's just not my thing. Not that I condemn them somehow, but just not my cup of tea.
Btw... from wikipedia:
Sodomy (pronounced /ˈsɒdəmi/) is a term used in the law to describe the act of "unnatural" sex, which depending on jurisdiction can consist of oral sex or anal sex or any non-genital to genital congress, whether heterosexual, or homosexual, or with human or animal.
Apart from the animal part in the end (which is defined specifically as bestiality, so I'd say it's another matter), I can't say I see much wrong with the other stuff on that list, some are not for my taste, but nothing really wrong with any but the animal part :\
On nudity... well, dunno about you, but I don't like seeing guys walking around with their bits hanging out. To those of us who are not attracted to something sexually, we don't like seeing it, it's not really a big mystery. I don't mind it in movies/games if that's what you meant, but proper nudists, like on houses/beaches, it's just not my thing. Not that I condemn them somehow, but just not my cup of tea.
Btw... from wikipedia:
Sodomy (pronounced /ˈsɒdəmi/) is a term used in the law to describe the act of "unnatural" sex, which depending on jurisdiction can consist of oral sex or anal sex or any non-genital to genital congress, whether heterosexual, or homosexual, or with human or animal.
Apart from the animal part in the end (which is defined specifically as bestiality, so I'd say it's another matter), I can't say I see much wrong with the other stuff on that list, some are not for my taste, but nothing really wrong with any but the animal part :\
You have a point, but you're using the wrong words. Be more careful next time...SextusMaximus said:
Sodomy is extreme and violent sex, my word was fine, but some major groups have skewed the word in order to make it seem like something else. I'm pretty sure most dictionaries have it down as extreme sex. (or something to those words)ThreeWords said:
Well swearing is supposed to represnt an extremely negative impusle. However is being thrown around to much now. Either everything around us needs to be damned to hell or we just use the word to much.
I think that nudity is looked down upon because its part of our basser instincts and people really do try to control thier base instincts.
I think that nudity is looked down upon because its part of our basser instincts and people really do try to control thier base instincts.
I only swear when I get hurt really badly (like in sports or, when I get hurt ^^) and avoid it too much in public and if someone really is against swearing I don't swear around them because 1) I respect their opinion and 2) I don't want some stupid flame war to start. I also think that swearing is good if you really really want to state a powerful point but otherwise there are so many better ways to phrase oneself.
On nudity I have no idea what to say....
On nudity I have no idea what to say....
Finland for the win!!!! (I am Finnish too)Cyan. said:
Yeah you are right about your post and we finns swear a lot but I still think that it's used a bit too much -.- Check my post above. This is also the reason why I don't mind people swearing I just don't think it suits me to swear (all the time).
I personally don't mind swearing and could care less if they were more lax on that, and nudity is normal to everyone, but to be quite honest, I don't want to see some guys junk in my face, nor some girl's body. And I'd prefer not to show someone else my body either. They could be more open minded to possibly being less harsh on nudity in media I suppose, but I do NOT want there to be nudity every day sort of new social norm where everyone is naked outside their house. I would never live in that society, I'm sorry.
Plus, another thing for some of us is that we have loved ones and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the idea of forcing your girlfriend being nude all the time if it was suddenly law and letting every guy get a good look at her, or your children, because as you know, pedophiles are still always out there, now you just give him a legal choice of looking at your kids.
Swearing - I'm okay.
Nudity - Not really.
PS: Though I would prefer violence being more "extreme" than nudity (sex is different, as high as violence), since that's not nature though.
Plus, another thing for some of us is that we have loved ones and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the idea of forcing your girlfriend being nude all the time if it was suddenly law and letting every guy get a good look at her, or your children, because as you know, pedophiles are still always out there, now you just give him a legal choice of looking at your kids.
Swearing - I'm okay.
Nudity - Not really.
PS: Though I would prefer violence being more "extreme" than nudity (sex is different, as high as violence), since that's not nature though.
Funny there should be a topic about this, because I was just wondering the same thing.
See, I was watching a horror movie marathon of sorts on AMC, and they were playing "The Shining".
In that movie, the swearing is integral to the movie because when Jack Nicholson's character starts to open up and go nuts on his wife, it really hits home when he says things like "You're fucking up my life!", but it turns into a total joke when a bad voiceover dub changes it to "You're FOULING up my life!"
There is another moment with "The N word" where they dub it over with, "It's the NO-GOOD cook." and it sounded horrible. Thank you AMC for messing with one of my favourite horror movies.
The best part is they played that movie "Ghost Ship" after and they had no problem showing uncensored the intro scene where a mast or something breaks and a cable swipes through and cuts an entire boatload of people in half in gruesome fashion.
Backwards priorities much? Who are we censoring this for the benefit of? Children?
Because if I had a kid, say 4 years old, I'd rather have to explain why the mean man is saying bad words than have him or her watch a blood soaked scene like that.
See, I was watching a horror movie marathon of sorts on AMC, and they were playing "The Shining".
In that movie, the swearing is integral to the movie because when Jack Nicholson's character starts to open up and go nuts on his wife, it really hits home when he says things like "You're fucking up my life!", but it turns into a total joke when a bad voiceover dub changes it to "You're FOULING up my life!"
There is another moment with "The N word" where they dub it over with, "It's the NO-GOOD cook." and it sounded horrible. Thank you AMC for messing with one of my favourite horror movies.
The best part is they played that movie "Ghost Ship" after and they had no problem showing uncensored the intro scene where a mast or something breaks and a cable swipes through and cuts an entire boatload of people in half in gruesome fashion.
Backwards priorities much? Who are we censoring this for the benefit of? Children?
Because if I had a kid, say 4 years old, I'd rather have to explain why the mean man is saying bad words than have him or her watch a blood soaked scene like that.
Sorry i missed your post.Guffe said:
I guess it depends on the context.... I mean, so far as i can tell, going a whole day without one PERKELE is completley unfinnish...
However, perhaps the most rude thing you could say to another fin is something like "turppa kiini", which isnt actually offensive if you translate it directly..... But the meaning of "shut the fuck up" is there.
I remember reading on a webpage that the worst thing you can say in japanese is "kisama" which simply translates as another word for "you". Just an insulting version.
But, i think swearing itself is not so much as problem. Its INSULTS i have issue with. I could insult someone all day without using a single curse word.
This is so true, the thing with your japan post is good and another example is that in China calling someone your "brother" if they are not brother by blood is the worst thing, kinda the same.Cyan. said:
I go many days without a Perkele thou!! ^^ I am Swedish speaking Finn (mom speaking Swedish and dad Finnish so don't flame me just yet, I speak both languages equally ^^) and so my normal curse words are either English or "Voi Vittu", but I also do stuff like "Voi Video", about the same as "Fudge", everyone gets what I want to say but I don't say the actual words, bad example would be "You know who" = Voldemort from Harry Potter.
I actually think if insulting someone, doing it without harsh words is more efficient than throwing lots of curse words at them because that juts makes it lame 'cause you hear that all the time.