I use a .308 for deer hunting and my uncle uses it for bear hunting so I know that recoil can just plain kick your ass. I cant imagine trying to use an m60 without a bi/tripod. But your also correct in saying that it had problems, the unfortunate side effect of taking an idea from the Germans and just making it out of aluminum and plastic without accounting for the fundamental materiel changes.NightShadeNes said:That depends on the model the oldest ones have some problems the recoil was bad in the first designs unless you where holding the ammo clip also the bullets sometimes get jammed and the bullet range i was wrong i found that the bullets go 1,200 yd (1,100 m)JWAN said:Im going to have to disagree with you.NightShadeNes said:The M60 has terrible recoil,is hard to aim,it's to heavy,it has a short bullet range and it gets jamed pretty easy but it's awesome
It shoots a .308 so I have no idea where you got the short range from, but the recoil of any other rifle of that caliber would also have intense recoil being that its a machine gun. Its heavy compared to today's standards but it was one of the lightest at the time, hell it was designed in 1957.
Don't tell that to the Chinese or the Cubans. Sure the parades are fancy with the AK 47's but in reality they guard their borders with Ruger .22's. It was the only way they could afford to arm all of their troops during the cold war and I still think the .22 is a mainstay in their arsenal.Deviltongue said:
Those problems have all been fixed. Now it is an exemplary military rifle. As for what was wrong with the M-14 well... too expensive... too heavy and the recoil is just fucking awful on that fat bastard. Though it supposedly works beautifully as a sniper and semi-automatic battle rifle.brodie21 said:
KND FTW!!!! ^_^Terminate421 said:I beg to differFrequen-Z said:
I mean, nobody's ever shot it twice, must be terrible.
It doesn't even shoot bullets
(I was in fourth grade when I first saw it)
Update your rifle knowledge. The M16 and the M4 have been upgraded substantially and are absolutely fine for being around for 30 years. The only real issue now is that the 5.56 is just too small to have put down power. Sure if you get a center mass hit the hydrostatic shock is strong enough to cause cavitation and damage organs but I;d rather blow them over with a 12 gauge deer slug or a .308. Either one of those can kill even if it hits you in a limb.Ironman126 said:
I remember reading somewhere that the allied forces were given that gun instead of a more practical and reliable one, whos name escapes me at the moment, because they were afraid that the axis forces would recover and reverse engineer it and make it an affective weapon for their forces...JWAN said:
I love the M-14 if you cant handle the recoil get it with a recoil assist stock. I shoot .300's and .308's all day long and I just wear 2 of those tank top undershirts under my t shirt. It takes awhile to get used to it. They had a bunch of them made fully automatic so basically it was a deadlier version of the BAR that shot superior rounds and had amazing accuracy. They turned it into 2 sniper rifles and used it up until the 90's. You could actually qualify with it (in the USMC) until the mid 90's but Clinton ordered them to be melted down so very few survived, that's truly unfortunate because I think we need to go back and relearn why light machine guns shooting fast bullets isn't always the answer. For my last viewpoint I think they should have turned it into a carbine and put 3 shock absorbers in the stock.Canid117 said:
That's right that rifle your talking about was the B.A.R (Browning Automatic Rifle). But for what the French could have produced i.e a chauchat with a closed clip and used real metal for the parts they might have created something less shitty. The problem was that they had a TON of resources and knowledge and then they shit out a horrible waste of scrap metal.Sacman said:
Yes, yes, it's true the M family has gotten some upgrades, but the fact that they STILL jam so frequently is the issue. Last year, a Marine way station was hit by insurgents in Afghanistan. over 50% Marines stationed there were wounded or killed when their rifles (M4s) jammed. And it isn't a matter of poor maintenance, they're Marines. They take care of their weapons. M4s are good to about six thousand rounds. Six thousand rounds isn't much when you are have to train in marksmanship with you rifle. Then add in sand and dirt and you have a mess. The M series rifles are obsolete. They need to be replaced with rifles that don't fire the NATO 5.56 round and don't jam after so few rounds are fired thru them. And that makes them one of the worse modern firearms.JWAN said:
Well, this is going to sound quite pathetic, but I want to explain why.strum4h said:
A guy in SOG carried one of those in Vietnam, the only bonus he said it had was the round hit REALLY heavy and could knock over in one shot. For a pistol that's pretty impressive. unfortunately high pressure on uneven casings = failures0m3th1ng said:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet
$100 PER ROUND. Nevermind the issues with accuracy
And these... fired Triangular rounds at $40 a pop nowadays with horrible manufacturing problems.
