What's the worst gun?

[Geekosaurus]

I don't know about the least practical gun, but I've always said that this is the worst looking gun ever made.

Spoiler: My eyes!

can't that gun function while being submerged completely in water? making it very practical...

Practical? Yes.
Aesthetic? Awhellno!

 

[A Raging Emo]

The Nambu Pistol [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol].

It had an exceedingly short effective range, and utilised an 8mm Round (Yes, 8mm, not 9mm). The safety didn't work on it, and the Magazine springs were pathetic, and often caused jams.

not to mention misfires if you drew it from your holster to fast or if you squeezed it. It was made out of stamped metal (most likely tin)

(I thought it was an Aluminium Alloy, but I may be wrong).

On Topic: Exactly! The Nambu was completely inferior to the M1911 .45 that the US army used during the second World War's Pacific Campaign.

It was mainly Marines in the Pacific and its hard to beat John Moses Browning at a gun design contest lol.
I'm glad they brought it back into the service. People forget that the insurgents use drugs like meth to help them fight harder and move faster and a 9mm just cannot stop someone that's all hopped up.

Ah, was it? I couldn't recall whether it was the Marines or US Army in the Pacific.

 

[Lamppenkeyboard]

Not that in to guns, this is a really intriguing thread. Isn't the AK 47 pretty cheap though?

 

[Eren Murtaugh]

Also, and I know I'm gonna catch a TON of flak for this, but fragmentation grenades and shotguns. They're both VERY situational, and with the frag grenade you have as much chance of injuring/killing yourself as others if you don't use it properly.
And shotguns are pretty much pathetic if someone's more than 10 feet away from you.

Yeah grenades are dangerous to the user, but the people who use them are pros, trained in their use.

Have you ever used a shotgun? or is your knowledge of them gleaned entirely from CoD? In that game they are useless, but in real life with the correct ammunition and chokes they are capable of shooting a lot further than that. Mine certainly is, and thats just a basic over/under.

I've used a shotgun, I took liberties with the range. Not all grenades are used by professionals. You'd be surprised at what gang members get their hands on. And yea, I know shotguns are decent weapons, but they're still very situational. Even the S.C.A.R. Shotgun is unreliable when attempting to get a wound/kill. Hunting slugs are different from regular shotgun shells. They have less of a spread. There's a reason shotguns are called "room sweepers." Large area of effect, not a lot of aiming.

That being said, if you're looking for a very good weapon, you can't do much better than the M-16 or M-15

 

[Combined]

For weapons I've fired, it'd have to be a competition between the Makarov and the PSM. Firing those is like trying to stick your index finger in a vice grip and trying to somehow pull it apart. And even if that works, start praying for God to make that bullet fly to the target area, since otherwise it's not going to do anything.

If one is looking for the universally most hated weapon, then the Chauchat is probably a fair bet. It really is one of the worst ...things ever created.

A lot of American weapons are also somewhat unpleasant to me. Particularly the M16. I'm not saying they're bad (apart from the jamming...), but as many as I've held, they all feel unnatural to my poor European hands. Completely a personal thing, you understand.

I'm happy with weapons of the Fatherland, thank you. The only thing that comes to mind that was really, really bad was the PzB 39 upon first issue.

 

[SimuLord]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet
$100 PER ROUND. Nevermind the issues with accuracy

I searched through the thread looking for the ninja. Since the rocket needed to get up to speed, it's probably the only gun in history that could be stopped cartoon-style by literally putting your finger in the barrel (don't try this at home!)

 

[JWAN]

the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases

Those problems have all been fixed. Now it is an exemplary military rifle. As for what was wrong with the M-14 well... too expensive... too heavy and the recoil is just fucking awful on that fat bastard. Though it supposedly works beautifully as a sniper and semi-automatic battle rifle.

Worst gun? Desert Eagle, that thing is horrifically impracticable. Too heavy, nasty recoil, the bullets are too big and it has a horribly limited magazine capacity.

I love the M-14 if you cant handle the recoil get it with a recoil assist stock. I shoot .300's and .308's all day long and I just wear 2 of those tank top undershirts under my t shirt. It takes awhile to get used to it. They had a bunch of them made fully automatic so basically it was a deadlier version of the BAR that shot superior rounds and had amazing accuracy. They turned it into 2 sniper rifles and used it up until the 90's. You could actually qualify with it (in the USMC) until the mid 90's but Clinton ordered them to be melted down so very few survived, that's truly unfortunate because I think we need to go back and relearn why light machine guns shooting fast bullets isn't always the answer. For my last viewpoint I think they should have turned it into a carbine and put 3 shock absorbers in the stock.

The first shot had amazing accuracy but every single one after that would be thirty feet or higher above the target. The problem isn't that recoil harms the shooters its that it messes up people's shots even in bursts your going to have awful accuracy after the first round on the M-14. It also had a weight problem. Both it and the ammunition it used weighed too much for fast moving fully automatic use. It is still used as a Designated Marksman rifle in the marine corps and as a sniper by special forces units. It's fantastic in a semi auto capacity but sadly doesn't work as well as a standard infantry rifle. The M-14 also costs a lot more to make.

the M14 costs more than the M16? That strikes me as backwards. But the ammunition costs I can see a substantial cost difference although Im a firm believer in making "whatever you hit the first time dead" so its not always about how much you shoot, its about how much you hit. Besides the .308 is a versatile round where as the 5.56 needs to be a direct center of mass hit to incapacitate. A .308 can put a hole the size of a grapefruit. Im not knocking the NATO small arms standard Im just giving a personal preference. I can argue its combat effectiveness through my dad and uncle. They talk about begging borrowing or stealing M14's because they would drop the target with one shot and when things got really close they could swing it like a damn baseball bat.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

The worst gun is the one some fucker is pointing at you with ill intent.

 

[JWAN]

The Nambu Pistol [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol].

It had an exceedingly short effective range, and utilised an 8mm Round (Yes, 8mm, not 9mm). The safety didn't work on it, and the Magazine springs were pathetic, and often caused jams.

not to mention misfires if you drew it from your holster to fast or if you squeezed it. It was made out of stamped metal (most likely tin)

(I thought it was an Aluminium Alloy, but I may be wrong).

On Topic: Exactly! The Nambu was completely inferior to the M1911 .45 that the US army used during the second World War's Pacific Campaign.

It was mainly Marines in the Pacific and its hard to beat John Moses Browning at a gun design contest lol.
I'm glad they brought it back into the service. People forget that the insurgents use drugs like meth to help them fight harder and move faster and a 9mm just cannot stop someone that's all hopped up.

Ah, was it? I couldn't recall whether it was the Marines or US Army in the Pacific.

The Army was mainly in Europe and they did have some company's for "sit and shit" duties but after the marines took an Island the army would move in and set up more permanent structures. (I'm not knocking the Army, they did do beach assaults just nothing like Tarawa or Iwo Jima, (D Day was not anything CLOSE to Tarawa or Iwo Jima by the way))

 

[JWAN]

I don't know about the least practical gun, but I've always said that this is the worst looking gun ever made.

Spoiler: My eyes!

can't that gun function while being submerged completely in water? making it very practical...

that looks like a modded AK

 

[Commissar Sae]

The Japanese officer pistol in WWII, The nambu 14. It was underpowered (8mm), oftened jammed and the safety rarely worked properly.

 

[shotgunbob]

a .22, You'd need to hit something bigger than a rabbit in the head to kill it.

You shouldn't underestimate any gun thats fires .22LR Still a round that can easily kill a human if it hits them somewhere vital

 

[SimuLord]

a .22, You'd need to hit something bigger than a rabbit in the head to kill it.

You shouldn't underestimate any gun thats fires .22LR Still a round that can easily kill a human if it hits them somewhere vital

I'm reminded of an old saying that was a catchphrase of one of my uncles: "Shooting a bear with a .22 will only piss it off."

 

[JWAN]

The AK-47 is one of the worst. Yeah, it's a quick fire rate, and it almost never jams, but that doesn't fix the terrible accuracy, the strength needed to wield it(it's not heavy, but start firing it and you have a real problem with it not jerking up and blowing YOUR face off) the enormous recoil, and when it DOES finally overheat and jam, you can NEVER use it again.

Also, and I know I'm gonna catch a TON of flak for this, but fragmentation grenades and shotguns. They're both VERY situational,. and with the frag grenade you have as much chance of injuring/killing yourself as others if you don't use it properly.
And shotguns are pretty much pathetic if someone's more than 10 feet away from you.

If your using a 3 inch sabo deer slugs your going to be able to kill at 220-250 meters.

 

[A Raging Emo]

The Nambu Pistol [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol].

It had an exceedingly short effective range, and utilised an 8mm Round (Yes, 8mm, not 9mm). The safety didn't work on it, and the Magazine springs were pathetic, and often caused jams.

not to mention misfires if you drew it from your holster to fast or if you squeezed it. It was made out of stamped metal (most likely tin)

(I thought it was an Aluminium Alloy, but I may be wrong).

On Topic: Exactly! The Nambu was completely inferior to the M1911 .45 that the US army used during the second World War's Pacific Campaign.

It was mainly Marines in the Pacific and its hard to beat John Moses Browning at a gun design contest lol.
I'm glad they brought it back into the service. People forget that the insurgents use drugs like meth to help them fight harder and move faster and a 9mm just cannot stop someone that's all hopped up.

Ah, was it? I couldn't recall whether it was the Marines or US Army in the Pacific.

The Army was mainly in Europe and they did have some company's for "sit and shit" duties but after the marines took an Island the army would move in and set up more permanent structures. (I'm not knocking the Army, they did do beach assaults just nothing like Tarawa or Iwo Jima, (D Day was not anything CLOSE to Tarawa or Iwo Jima by the way))

Yeah, I do know about what was going on and what happened, I was just unsure whether it was the Marines or the Army fighting in the Pacific.

 

[shotgunbob]

Not that in to guns, this is a really intriguing thread. Isn't the AK 47 pretty cheap though?

Cheap to make. But still one of the best guns ever made IMO

 

[qazcake]

Chauchat
WWI
your in the trenches
and you get a blessing from France! A super light machine that fires fast and has a large magazine, too bad the internals are made out of stamped tin and the clip is open on the side to let anything in the trench, get into your machine. Notorious for killing more allies than axis.
Truly the shittiest gun in history.

agreed it is look for your self
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

The Army was mainly in Europe and they did have some company's for "sit and shit" duties but after the marines took an Island the army would move in and set up more permanent structures.

Part of that was because at the time, due to it's smaller size (than the US Army), reputation and traditional role(s), it was seen as 'wasting' USMC troops they couldn't spare putting them on garrison duty when the Army not only had the numbers to supply garrison troops but also that such duty had always been one of the Army's traditional roles.

 

[Eren Murtaugh]

The AK-47 is one of the worst. Yeah, it's a quick fire rate, and it almost never jams, but that doesn't fix the terrible accuracy, the strength needed to wield it(it's not heavy, but start firing it and you have a real problem with it not jerking up and blowing YOUR face off) the enormous recoil, and when it DOES finally overheat and jam, you can NEVER use it again.

Also, and I know I'm gonna catch a TON of flak for this, but fragmentation grenades and shotguns. They're both VERY situational,. and with the frag grenade you have as much chance of injuring/killing yourself as others if you don't use it properly.
And shotguns are pretty much pathetic if someone's more than 10 feet away from you.

If your using a 3 inch sabo deer slugs your going to be able to kill at 220-250 meters.

I've answered this about a million times. I was taking liberties with the aiming, and hunting slugs are different than battle slugs. A battle slug sprays areas with a larger radius to nullify a room and put people down faster. A hunting slug keeps the pellets closer together to do more damage.

 

[WolfThomas]

The Liberator

Spoiler

Yes the liberator was crap, but that was kind of the point. At the peak of the war it cost perhaps 45cents (I think that's what I read somewhere) to produce one. They could then be dropped into occupied areas for partisans to use, with a cartoon explaining how to use it. Generally the idea is you only fired it once and hopefully took the weapon of the person you killed with it. So for a cheap and disposable gun it served it's purpose. It was also initially intended as a psychological weapon, because if you could arm enough of the populace the occupying troops would be sufficiently paranoid, though they never achieved this in great numbers.