What's Wrong With Communism?
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In theory it's the best system around, however people don't like doing more work than others for the same pay. For example someone who went to university and is a great doctor would make just as much money as a farmer, which makes it unfair to the doctor and this causes for people not to go to college and university as they make the same amount of money anyway.
As for why it's hated, Americans think the Stalin government was communist so yea..
As for why it's hated, Americans think the Stalin government was communist so yea..
The same could be said of the exsisting system in the US. The current economic state of the world is due to a few greedy people, so it isn't just communism that has this problem.Nemorov said:
Of course no real communist state has ever exsisted, so Its hard to be sure what one would be like.
No. America was founded to oppose England's tight laws on religious freedom.OneBig Man said:
And by the way, i can't quote some of you, but yes. Human nature is greed. That's why the goverment wants to (did?) spend $100 million for private jets for congress (if FOX is a reliable news source, that is).
The only problem with Communism is that it usually turns to shit. It COULD work if we lived in a world devoid of truly malevolent bastards, but we don't, so it doesn't.
it is impossible for everyone to be equal because all people are different, and communists have realized this so there is a general class and a ruling class this creates discontent and jealousy among the general class. also communists are generally fucking crazy like north korea
Well in communism after a point why would anyone bother going to college or even fuinishing high school if every job pays the same so why strive for a better job. Also, it has been used with dictators but that is more human error really. Prolly could be democratic if people tried.
No. They aren't fucking crazy like north korea. Korea runs under a system in which the people are forced to believe Kim Jong Il is god. That's not communism. That's dictatorial rule as a god-human.little.09 said:
That sounds like a lot of fun actually.GoldenCondor said:
..and there would be mandatory deathmatches for the olympics...
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It doesn't even work on paper, really. As a theory it is basically flawed because it does not take into account those being governed over. People want to achieve, and thusly be rewarded for their efforts; we are very goal oriented. Communism, and most socialist models, tells us that all we can look forward to in recompense for our efforts was the same thing as the man who can't or won't achieve. This subverts much of our nature, and leads to nothing but stagnation in the very best of rational scenarios. Usually, it leads to a negative growth trend, not even a stable one.
Really, anyone who has studied social psychology and is familiar with the tragedy of the commons or the bad apple effect would be able to see the folly that is communism.
Really, anyone who has studied social psychology and is familiar with the tragedy of the commons or the bad apple effect would be able to see the folly that is communism.
Well communism doesn't work. I don't see why the wealth should be shared. Why should a doctor get the same amount of money as a cleaner? Also it says that everyone is equal, but there are always people more equal than others. Also who is going to distribute the wealth? All it takes is one person to bring that system to fail.
That's where the American anti-communist propaganda shows it's ugly head.Nemorov said:
You fear having your individuality taken away by a communist government.
But that's not what communism does.
It's not "Make everyone the same", it's "Make no one better than anyone else".
Your individuality remains intact, and you can do as you wish, so long as everyone is equal (not the same, just equal).
Finally, it's the perfect system on paper, but in practice it doesn't work as well as it should.
Just like every other political schema in history.
True Socialism/Communism is a noble idea I think. But it can never be applied to real world life because it is usually tainted by corrupt governments. America would do well to adopt a bit less of an intensely capitilistic stance though. A better healthcare system would benefit everyone greatly, however at the moment it's only for those who can afford it.
We had comunism and we had free health care. We still have free health care but we don't have a comunist country anymore.
The problem is that the ideal is ok but you'll always get people that will be on the top and have everything and the people that won't be in the correct group and hence won't have anything.
And even if we somehow solve this you find yourself in a set of problems:
1. The problem that our country had was that too many people had everything so the country didn't have money and fell into debt with other countryes because it had to borrow money to build houses, roads, etc... for the people that were in need for them. And since they received the houses for free (or a nominal fee) the country was making a loss.
2. Every person had a right to work so you had one machine for ten workers. One worker actually worked and other nine were what we call latently employed or in short were receiving the same salary for no work. The company wasn't making profit so the country helped the company and we're back on issue no. 1
The problem is that the ideal is ok but you'll always get people that will be on the top and have everything and the people that won't be in the correct group and hence won't have anything.
And even if we somehow solve this you find yourself in a set of problems:
1. The problem that our country had was that too many people had everything so the country didn't have money and fell into debt with other countryes because it had to borrow money to build houses, roads, etc... for the people that were in need for them. And since they received the houses for free (or a nominal fee) the country was making a loss.
2. Every person had a right to work so you had one machine for ten workers. One worker actually worked and other nine were what we call latently employed or in short were receiving the same salary for no work. The company wasn't making profit so the country helped the company and we're back on issue no. 1