What's wrong with PC gamers?

[cainx10a]

1. 'Dumbed Down' Games - One good example is the latest Tom Clancy games being released for Console, Ghost Recon/Rainbow Six Vegas, for the latter, the game just turned into an arcade shooter, and lost all of the elements that made it a Urban Combat sim (eg. SWAT 4)

2. Fear - fear that the industry will soon let them down with their focus shifted to console games development, there are more people who can afford a console and aren't as dedicated (teh hardcore) as PC Gamers.

3. Custom User Maps/Mods - I love mods. Alien Swarm, Counterstrike and Knights, Vikings & Pirates, to name a few of them. Built by really talented people, that adds tons of replay value to the game. You don't get these on Consoles, yes, it could be possible in the future we will see them, but, that's one hell of an exclusivity for us PC Gamers. Yet, something that might get lost with the industry shifting attention toward console gaming. (I am still waiting for the map editor for RSV/RSV 2, thanks UBI).

I think PC tards are a bit over confident in some cases.

If PC's are so superior, why are there a constant stream of PS2 and xbox style USB controllers being made for PC, to replace keyboard and mouse?

Why do no consoles bother with a keyboard and mouse peripheral if its so superior? PS2 had a keyboard usable for FFXI Online for PS2, and even had a gameshark input keyboard and what not. They can do it, but dont...why not PC tards?

My console may not be as graphically superior as the latest PC that cost almost $1000 more than my next gen console, but it also doesnt become insufficient after 6 months or after a few crap-tastic driver patches from Microsoft, or a constant stream of viruses and auto-aim bots that PC gamers love.

Also, is your PC monitor a 72" wide screen and support gold plated HDMI cables and display in 1080pi with surround sound? NO

1. DMC 4, PES 6/7, just to name a few games which are more gamepad-friendly.

2. Gamepads have been a trademark input device for consoles since the old days, and is less cumbersome than a keyboard/mouse while playing on the couch.

3. PB does a fine job of blocking cheaters to ruin my online gaming experience, and have yet to encounter a patch that made my pc go bonkers.

4. And your last point is invalid, for the simple reason than the PC do way more than a gaming console.

Yes, the PC is superior to the Console, simply because it can do more than gaming. But, it's not really being exploited to it's full potential. Games or rather, jewels like Crysis are rare.

 

[SimuLord]

I look at it this way. The difference between PCs and consoles is the difference between a modded-out-the-ass version of Oblivion and its 360 counterpart. Hell, it's the difference between Daggerfall and Oblivion. It's the difference between Patrician and Uncharted Waters, between Civilization 4 and Romance of the Three Kingdoms XI, between Football Manager and the management depth of FIFA (or PES) 09.

It has nothing to do with control schemes (if someone could figure out a way to upscale the DS stylus controls to a PC-sized RTS that would be perfect). It has more to do with the type of gamer that's drawn to PC-style games versus console-style games. On those rare occasions when a PC game is ported straight to a console without dumbing it down, it's an unmitigated disaster (anyone remember Panzer and/or Allied General for the PlayStation? Didn't think so.)

PC gamers get a little hot under the collar when our games and our series are dumbed down for consoles and all we get is a crappy port. Sometimes the mod community can turn it back into an acceptable PC game (Oblivion leaps immediately to mind), but sometimes it falls short and we're left with another game that makes us feel like the smart kid in a public school.

Hell, console gamers are so far below PC gamers that they even had to dumb down The Sims, fercryinoutloud. If you can't even correctly port a freakin' casual game to consoles there's something seriously wrong with your playerbase.

 

[Anti-Social FatMan]

If PC's are so superior, why are there a constant stream of PS2 and xbox style USB controllers being made for PC, to replace keyboard and mouse?

For the same reason there are racing wheels, dance mats and guitar controllers on consoles. Some games require specialised tools. Some games are better with pads. Some aren't. I would never dream of playing a FPS or an RTS with a pad, but if I'm playing a little Silent Hill or Prince of Persia SoT, there's no reason to not use a pad. Similarly, if I want to play a little Grid, I wouldn't use a keyboard or a pad, I'd use a wheel. The smart gamer uses the best tool for the job. PC gamers have the advantage of a broader variety of specialised tools.

Why do no consoles bother with a keyboard and mouse peripheral if its so superior? PS2 had a keyboard usable for FFXI Online for PS2, and even had a gameshark input keyboard and what not. They can do it, but dont...why not PC tards?

The PSone actually did have mouse support, and even an official Sony mouse. I used to be a console gamer and I remember playing Red Alert and Quake 2 with a mouse on my PlayStation.

If anything, I'd say there's no K&M on the consoles because there's no demand for it. But consoles are getting more and more like PCs with every generation, and with a migration of PC-native genres to the consoles (FPS, now RTS), and with increased net intergration, keyboard and mouse support is when, not if.

Also, check this out: http://img.hexus.net/v2/gaming/screenshots_ps3/fragfx/fragfx_large_1.jpg

My console may not be as graphically superior as the latest PC that cost almost $1000 more than my next gen console, but it also doesnt become insufficient after 6 months.

This is a somewhat pathetic stereotype perpetuated by console gamers as some kind of "defense". I built my current PC in 2005 and since then the only thing I've upgraded is the GPU once. I run Crysis on high @ 1600x1200. That's three years with one upgrade and I'm playing the most demanding games with high settings and smooth frames. Six months is stupid, and people who perpetuate such claims are ignorant. Consider yourself enlightened.

Also, is your PC monitor a 72" wide screen and support gold plated HDMI cables and display in 1080pi with surround sound? NO

Firstly, you can hook a PC up to a HDTV just as easily as you can a console (I have a friend who does it), and secondly, those who use monitors tend to have their eyes about fifteen inches away from the screen, giving a perceived size. We don't have massive monitors because we simply don't need them.

As for sound, a budget level speaker setup is the equal of a mid range SS setup thanks to the quality of modern soundcards. Hell, I use headphones but the sound quality and 3D emulation is great just off the drivers. It's not perfect, but if I wanted better, all I'd have to do is pay more. It is available.

And to finish off this post, this is why PC gamers think less of console gamers. There are too many posts like the above, filled with ignorance, half-truths and outright lies. A lot of PC gamers are pretty elitist, but much of that elitism comes from a place of legitimacy, however big of a jerk we may be about it.

 

[milomalo]

cuff cuff ...so...what market its falling apart? oh yes the big brother's...

on topic... they think that they are superior like a pro racer VS. a regular driver both enjoy driving but the first despite the "2nd" car because looks inferior to the first despite both do almost the same...

 

[ReepNeep]

Also, is your PC monitor a 72" wide screen and support gold plated HDMI cables and display in 1080pi with surround sound? NO

Others have been quite thorough about knocking you down, but I just had to address this. Gold plating does nothing for HDMI cables but jack up the price. You see, HDMI is digital, not analog. With analog signal clarity is a big issue and the improved conductivity of gold helps with that. With a digital signal, either it gets there or it doesn't. The cheapest HDMI cable is just as good as the most expensive one. Also, HDMI is optical, not electrical so conductivity enhancers are doubly useless.

Only people who have no clue what they're buying buy gold plated HDMI cables.

 

[zachatree]

My one problem with PC games is that I am to poor to keep my PC up to par with the current standards for games.

 

[PurpleRain]

PC games have higher complexity due to a greater amount of available control, and a mouse is far more precise than an analog stick ever could be.

Other than that, we have to put up with compatibility issues, buggy games, patches, updates, copy protection, virus, damaging software, and other bullshit that consoles can happily ignore. It makes us feel like we must be more intelligent because we successfully slog through this shit when console players don't have to. Or, more likely, we feel angry for putting up with this crap and have to take it out on the people who don't have to put up with it.

Also, "console 'tards" flows off the tongue much better than "PC 'tards".

Good points, but I don't see how that differs my gaming experience of Bioshock on the 360 to yours on the PC. If anything, I'd rather it the console way looking past downloading and patches.

 

[stompy]

My one problem with PC games is that I am to poor to keep my PC up to par with the current standards for games.

Well, you might have the ability to upgrade... unfortunately for me, I'm stuck with an aging AGPx8 slot, and it's not worth spending any more money on the thing. That, and I'd be able to get a great gaming rig for me for ~$AU700.

As for the OP, I'd say that it's generally the vocal minority just being itself. Basically, you'll remember the most insulting, or the most vocal, things, and that's hat's happened. For every 'PC gamer' that calls you a console tard, there are about 100 that don't really care.

The numbers are pretty much the same on the console side of things. Both sides have idiots that don't play nice, but it's kind of a necessary evil in the world of video games.

You have got the other issues mentioned, like the 'dumbing-down' of video games, and 'defending' their platform, but it's more to do with idiots getting the attention.

Edit:

Also, is your PC monitor a 72" wide screen and support gold plated HDMI cables and display in 1080pi with surround sound? NO

Others have been quite thorough about knocking you down, but I just had to address this. Gold plating does nothing for HDMI cables but jack up the price. You see, HDMI is digital, not analog. With analog signal clarity is a big issue and the improved conductivity of gold helps with that. With a digital signal, either it gets there or it doesn't. The cheapest HDMI cable is just as good as the most expensive one. Also, HDMI is optical, not electrical so conductivity enhancers are doubly useless.

Only people who have no clue what they're buying buy gold plated HDMI cables.

You know, I thought Loderian was just being an idiot, trying to use hyperbole to emphasise his point... but your reasoning as to why gold-wired HDMI cables is actually quite interesting, for lack of better wording. Thanks for the heads up though, I wasn't paying attention during IST...

 

[Deliverance]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

Similarly, you find this pattern within most genres, including other hobbies. Example: Music. People who are perceived to like "real" metal music vs. people who like nu-metal, people who like "real" rap compared tot he top100 stuff, and people who listen to triple j (alternative genres) compared to those who listen to, again, the top100.

I guess you could make a rough analogy when considering two people who say they read books, but one reads Thomas Pynchon novels and the other reads a large-font copy of The Hungry Hungry Catepillar - pop-up edition.

I myself never felt this way but now that we have 2 consoles here I find that I tire of those games very fast because they lack the depth of most PC games (I mostly play RTS on the PC) and ability to hold my attention. They are all buttom-mashing or gimmicky compared to the "game is art" vibe lots of PC games produce.

Try and get as immersed into guitar hero or wii sports as opposed to half-life or try and stimulate your brain as well as reflexes as much in halo as compared to starcraft and you being to understand that console games are the "poser" games that seem unrefined while the PC has the "real" games.

EDIT: Also, the games that have the scope for depth and strategy, FPS and RTS or similar, work much better with a mouse and keyboard. The controller for consoles is restrictive and frustrating at times - where you feel you are mastering the controlling device more than the game.

 

[curlycrouton]

I think PC tards are a bit over confident in some cases.

If PC's are so superior, why are there a constant stream of PS2 and xbox style USB controllers being made for PC, to replace keyboard and mouse?

Because they're not the most efficient of controllers for all games. PC gamers acknowledge this and usually have other controllers.

Why do no consoles bother with a keyboard and mouse peripheral if its so superior? PS2 had a keyboard usable for FFXI Online for PS2, and even had a gameshark input keyboard and what not. They can do it, but dont...why not PC tards?

Give them some more time. As consoles drift ever closer to becoming PCs themselves, they will gain keyboards and mice of their own. Also, see previous answer. The keyboard is the obvious choice in some genres, and doomed to failure in others. Those that would be doomed without generally don't make console appearances.

My console may not be as graphically superior as the latest PC that cost almost $1000 more than my next gen console, but it also doesnt become insufficient after 6 months or after a few crap-tastic driver patches from Microsoft, or a constant stream of viruses and auto-aim bots that PC gamers love.

If you spent an extra grand over what a console costs and killed it after six months, you're doing something wrong and you spent way too much. I spend maybe that much every couple of years to keep both of my PCs up to date and game-ready, or roughly what a console user would spend, and, since I know my systems inside and out, they run in peak condition. I realize fully that's not your point, but I don't care at this point.

Also, is your PC monitor a 72" wide screen and support gold plated HDMI cables and display in 1080pi with surround sound? NO

Surround sound, yes. I was an early adopter of that, and you're welcome, because early adopters like myself allow for the continued refinement of new technology. Eventually, it makes it's way into everything else, like you precious... whatever console you have. Also, if I had a 72" 1080p wide screen with HDMI, you can bet I'd be using that as my monitor, even though it would be a step down (detail-wise) from my 1536p 21" standard screen with DVI.

Oh, HDMI evolved from DVI. Next time you meet a PC gamer, thank them for that.

Since I seem to have lost the neutral tone I was striving for at the beginning there, I'll attempt to get it back here. I believe the PC gamer superiority complex (which it seems I have) stems from that the PC gamer is usually at the forefront of whatever's new. I would be thoroughly surprised if the next generation of console didn't come with physics processing of some sort. Both camps have their good points and bad points. Console gamers are virtually guaranteed that when they buy a game, it is simply going to work for them. PC gamers have no such luxury. If a console breaks, it generally has to be sent off for weeks on end for repairs. A knowledgeable PC gamer can be back from the brink in a day (assuming it's not too serious). Will any of this stop the flame wars? Hell no, but I'd be happy with a temporary ceasefire.

Agreed.

And again, because I agree so much.

And finally:
Agreed X2



I'd also like to add something. Something very simple.


Crysis.

EDIT: I'd also like to say that PC games are most certainly cheaper. Developers have to pay a certain fee to Microsoft every time they make a game for Xbox 360 or to Sony for the PS3.

I am a firm believer in PCs. Mine cost 100 pounds, and can run COD4 maxed out, Bioshock maxed out and Mass Effect maxed out, as well as Far Cry 2 on medium.

 

[hypothetical fact]

Half your picture got cut off.
Deliverance your logic while sound falls apart in your delivery. Your comparing guitar hero and wii sports to half life; you should at least compare games of the same genre let alone aimed at the same market. News flash, while a party is going on nobody will prefer half life over guitar hero or wii sports. Comparing starcraft to halo has the same problem, you don't get the same sense of cunning employing battle tactics in starcraft as you do in halo; but you also don't get the joy of headshotting a zergling and having children yell "YAAAY!" while confetti flys out.

 

[jamesworkshop]

To my mind the fact that pc gamers have the choice between gamepad and Kb/mouse makes the PC superior and to me more user friendly because they don't have artifical limitations even the wii-mote can be used on the pc to play games bascicaly Pc's do everything consoles can do and more even going as far as to emulate them, where else could I play Zelda: OoT at 1600x1200 8xAA and 16XAF with a higher resolution texture pack and the ability to save state (quick save).
Not to mention all the other applications Pc's can do especially since gamimg machines tend to have the latest hardware which often appeares first Pc gamers have had HD resolutions for years, HDD storage, USB ports, Neural impulse actuators(mind control)
As for me I have a DS Lite, Pc, PS3 and Wii

 

[Logan Westbrook]

I think PC tards are a bit over confident in some cases.

If PC's are so superior, why are there a constant stream of PS2 and xbox style USB controllers being made for PC, to replace keyboard and mouse?

Why do no consoles bother with a keyboard and mouse peripheral if its so superior? PS2 had a keyboard usable for FFXI Online for PS2, and even had a gameshark input keyboard and what not. They can do it, but dont...why not PC tards?

My console may not be as graphically superior as the latest PC that cost almost $1000 more than my next gen console, but it also doesnt become insufficient after 6 months or after a few crap-tastic driver patches from Microsoft, or a constant stream of viruses and auto-aim bots that PC gamers love.

Also, is your PC monitor a 72" wide screen and support gold plated HDMI cables and display in 1080pi with surround sound? NO

There are just as many haters on either side

See?

Thats less about me being a hater because i do PC game a lot too, i was more just trying to knock zealous PC tards down to earth.

You might have tried to bring up some relevant points then. Game pads for the PC is just personal preference in most cases, although some games, such as Resident Evil 4, require them. Both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 have a small keyboard attachment for their controllers and the PS3 supports a USB keyboard and mouse.

The fact that a gaming PC will be obsolete in six months is such a fallacy I'm amazed that anyone still believes it. Aim-bots are an irritation, but it serves to highlight the versatility that is the one of the PCs biggest features as a gaming platform.

On your last point, I suppose you're right, my monitor isn't a huge HDTV, but there's no reason it couldn't be. It's not hard to hook a PC up to a TV, and 1080p isn't that impressive in PC terms, we've been doing it for quite a while now.

If you wanted to make a point against PCs, you might have mentioned that consoles are easier to use, and having a fixed hardware standard means that upgrading is not a concern.

 

[falcontwin]

Also, HDMI is optical, not electrical

Really? how does an optical signal get through the wires in the hdmi cable? or are confusing a hdmi video signal with an optical audio input?

 

[NeedAUserName]

What right with them..... oh BURN.

But seriously I prefer gaming on consoles as I feel they crash less then normal PC's (mac's excluded), also its out of convenience as I can still play my games if someone needs to use the computer.

 

[johnman]

Exactly. Games have to be dumbed down for the consoles as they have limited control space, leading to the phrase console tard. And in my opinion any thing that boasts halo as a reason to buy something, should be destoryed.

 

[Eiv]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
>>Scotland - England (we reserve the right to think that the rest of the world is behind us on this one)
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

That is an awesome list

A slight edit of your list

 

[Lukeje]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
>>Scotland and Wales - England (we reserve the right to think that the rest of the world is behind us on this one)
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

That is an awesome list

A slight edit of your list

Another edit...

 

[searanox]

In my experience, PC gamers tend to be more intelligent and tech-savvy than their console counterparts. That's not always true, of course, but it certainly seems to be the majority of the time. I don't think of people as "console 'tards" unless they're those Halo-playing frat fucks, but I do think that the PC is a superior gaming platform due to its versatility of input devices, potential for customisation (hardware and software), and potential for better graphics, sound, etc. PC games in general tend to be much more complex and challenging because they are often made with a different goal and philosophy, and while I enjoy a bit of stupid fun on occasion, I really only get a fulfilling game experience out of something lengthy that can test my skills and truly engage me.

 

[Eiv]

Every single PC gamer friend of mine has an XB-360 as well. I rarely find a pc gamer who is such an idiot as to segregate him/herself from so many gaming opportunities just to prove a point. Yes, the PC is versatile but how many times can you say you have played multiplayer without an internet connection on your PC?

If certain people really need to be PC zealots then fair game to them, all they are doing is missing out on games that are console release only. Yes, sometimes they may appear on PC's, but are you willing to wait 1-2 years to get a PC port thats half assed ~(ie resident evil 4)

I rest my case


P.S im a proud PC owner too