West burrow Baptist people should be allowed to do their thing. Freedom of speech and protest are ideals that should be upheld no matter the circumstances that's how ideals work.
Well yeah, I agree, but at the same time I thought Darwin's law or the social contract would have taken care of them by now.Zacharious-khan said:West burrow Baptist people should be allowed to do their thing. Freedom of speech and protest are ideals that should be upheld no matter the circumstances that's how ideals work.
Wait, what's wrong with South Africa? Pretty sure you can say your gay there...Your once and future Fanboy said:you are right, i agree, thats why i specified that the areas and countries where shit and the actions of that people in that region are whats the problem. im not saying that usa for example will become a chaotic mess if obama get a second term, or if another black person becomes president.Woodsey said:He said "controversial opinion", not your most mind-numbingly retarded one.Your once and future Fanboy said:well, im anti-religion to the point that i've argued with preist...in church! but i am against all things that hinder intelectual reason, religion just happens to be the biggest obsticle to common sense.
Im gonna get flamed for this, but i belive that everywhere the black and brown people have control over a larger populous than 50-100 people, it will most likely go to hell. Just look at South-Africa, Libya and in South-America. You have powerty, corruption, genocide, rape, child labor and a general miss-use of power. Just look at the case with Gadaffi if you don't belive me! And he isn't one in a million either.
I belive that white people have better inclanation to build and function in larger societies. Look at democracy, industry, the scientific method, philosophy, international laws of war and conflict, underground sewer systems, better adjusting to being a part of larger groups (something that wheren't normal for our early societies in Africa, we would be more likely to lash out violently when emotionaly and mentaly stressed because we wheren't designed to live like that).
It's not a coincidence!
So when it comes to that part of humanity, I belive there IS a "evolutionary" difference between the first man in Africa and the caucasian man up in the north.
Of course Im not saying that makes one supperior than the other, and I am not a rasist!
I repeat, I AM NOT A RASIST!
"It's not a coincidence!"
Maybe not, but not because of fucking skin colour. And do not assume that just because certain areas are in shit now means they always have been. Africa's problems meanwhile are caused by factors ranging from simple bad luck to the nature of the land they live on. Them being black has nothing to do with it.
im just saying that the worst places in the world are in these areas where those races are in control and in these regions, but the history and culture of those countries are the problem. and they havent improved the world or the evolution of humans as a big, societal creatures with new ways of thinking like democrasy, or build up the rights of people and the induvidial.
If you want to disagre with that, go down to any African or islamistic country and say that you are gay!
you'll be beaten to death before you can think "oh fuck".
Okay, I do admit defeat on the bad comparison. You are right on that count.JoJoDeathunter said:But that comparison doesn't work, as an anti-drug activist doesn't believe that people should be dead, they believe that people shouldn't take drugs. A more apt comparison to you would be an anti-drug activist who still takes drugs anyway. Surely according to your beliefs less humans are better, so you shouldn't exist? If you personally enjoy being alive then isn't it hypocritical to want to deny others life?
i thought everybody saw the law they tried to make a month ago, where they wanted to execute gay people. Thats an entire nation, not just a group of local rednecks or klan members, but a nation.orangeban said:Wait, what's wrong with South Africa? Pretty sure you can say your gay there...Your once and future Fanboy said:you are right, i agree, thats why i specified that the areas and countries where shit and the actions of that people in that region are whats the problem. im not saying that usa for example will become a chaotic mess if obama get a second term, or if another black person becomes president.Woodsey said:He said "controversial opinion", not your most mind-numbingly retarded one.Your once and future Fanboy said:well, im anti-religion to the point that i've argued with preist...in church! but i am against all things that hinder intelectual reason, religion just happens to be the biggest obsticle to common sense.
Im gonna get flamed for this, but i belive that everywhere the black and brown people have control over a larger populous than 50-100 people, it will most likely go to hell. Just look at South-Africa, Libya and in South-America. You have powerty, corruption, genocide, rape, child labor and a general miss-use of power. Just look at the case with Gadaffi if you don't belive me! And he isn't one in a million either.
I belive that white people have better inclanation to build and function in larger societies. Look at democracy, industry, the scientific method, philosophy, international laws of war and conflict, underground sewer systems, better adjusting to being a part of larger groups (something that wheren't normal for our early societies in Africa, we would be more likely to lash out violently when emotionaly and mentaly stressed because we wheren't designed to live like that).
It's not a coincidence!
So when it comes to that part of humanity, I belive there IS a "evolutionary" difference between the first man in Africa and the caucasian man up in the north.
Of course Im not saying that makes one supperior than the other, and I am not a rasist!
I repeat, I AM NOT A RASIST!
"It's not a coincidence!"
Maybe not, but not because of fucking skin colour. And do not assume that just because certain areas are in shit now means they always have been. Africa's problems meanwhile are caused by factors ranging from simple bad luck to the nature of the land they live on. Them being black has nothing to do with it.
im just saying that the worst places in the world are in these areas where those races are in control and in these regions, but the history and culture of those countries are the problem. and they havent improved the world or the evolution of humans as a big, societal creatures with new ways of thinking like democrasy, or build up the rights of people and the induvidial.
If you want to disagre with that, go down to any African or islamistic country and say that you are gay!
you'll be beaten to death before you can think "oh fuck".
Also, try going to the deep south of America and saying your gay. And what about a lot of cruddy Eastern European countries? (cruddy as in developing) There mostly white and they're not doing so great.
So in other words, you don't wish for the human race to be destroyed, you just want them to be a bit greener? That's a lot less dramatic but makes a lot more sense, that's a goal I can get behind, though unfortunately our polictians rarely seem to want to actually take action.DarkenedWolfEye said:Okay, I do admit defeat on the bad comparison. You are right on that count.JoJoDeathunter said:But that comparison doesn't work, as an anti-drug activist doesn't believe that people should be dead, they believe that people shouldn't take drugs. A more apt comparison to you would be an anti-drug activist who still takes drugs anyway. Surely according to your beliefs less humans are better, so you shouldn't exist? If you personally enjoy being alive then isn't it hypocritical to want to deny others life?
But see, what you don't get is that a misanthrope doesn't necessarily expect everyone to kill themselves. Personally, I think human population ought to be more strictly controlled (as in, you should need a license to be a parent, and we shouldn't be allowed to have more than two kids), but that doesn't mean "EVERYBODY DIE OR YOU ARE A TERRIBLE PERSON!" Frankly, if we were responsible we would control ourselves better in all departments, not just in our staggering population problem. We HAVE technology that is environmentally friendly; the majority of humans just don't use it because the majority of humans scream and whine over the slightest bit of change (people STILL gripe about the 'new YouTube' even though it doesn't inconvenience them in the slightest) ... but I'm kind of going off on a tangent here.
My point is, living responsibly makes more of an impact than "I hate my species." *proceeds to hang self* Do you see what I'm getting at? The extinction of an entire species isn't much of a cause, due to the fact that you're not likely to succeed in your endeavors without resorting to sabotage of the food industry and widespread terrorism.
I'm sorry I have to keep rewording my statements ... I'll say it straight.JoJoDeathunter said:So in other words, you don't wish for the human race to be destroyed, you just want them to be a bit greener? That's a lot less dramatic but makes a lot more sense, that's a goal I can get behind, though unfortunately our polictians rarely seem to want to actually take action.
Fine, though I won't pretend that I in any agree with this, I see humanity as the most beautiful creations of the universe and believe we are superior to everything we have so far encountered it in. The Earth is the equivalent of a house, hugely important to it's inhabitants but only for the shelter it provides them, without them it is worthless.DarkenedWolfEye said:I'm sorry I have to keep rewording my statements ... I'll say it straight.JoJoDeathunter said:So in other words, you don't wish for the human race to be destroyed, you just want them to be a bit greener? That's a lot less dramatic but makes a lot more sense, that's a goal I can get behind, though unfortunately our polictians rarely seem to want to actually take action.
As a whole, I disapprove of humans, and I DO think the planet would be better off if we weren't here, but we will be here for a while despite that; we're too resourceful to easily get rid of. So, in the meantime, could we clean up our act?
That's what I mean to say in a nutshell.
Fair enough, but they shouldn't be allowed to interfere with people in such ways that they do. For instance, protesting funerals for their arbitrary reasons. It's illegal to dance at memorial sites, surely it's illegal to show up at a funeral, and say "sorry, folks! Your loved one doesn't deserve to be put to rest in the way that he and you all expected as a basic right!"Zacharious-khan said:West burrow Baptist people should be allowed to do their thing. Freedom of speech and protest are ideals that should be upheld no matter the circumstances that's how ideals work.
So, what I could gather from that seemingly impenetrable mass of ignorance is that you think the reason that Africa (in general) is worse off than the West and has not improved is because of their skin colour...Your once and future Fanboy said:you are right, i agree, thats why i specified that the areas and countries where shit and the actions of that people in that region are whats the problem. im not saying that usa for example will become a chaotic mess if obama get a second term, or if another black person becomes president.Woodsey said:He said "controversial opinion", not your most mind-numbingly retarded one.Your once and future Fanboy said:well, im anti-religion to the point that i've argued with preist...in church! but i am against all things that hinder intelectual reason, religion just happens to be the biggest obsticle to common sense.
Im gonna get flamed for this, but i belive that everywhere the black and brown people have control over a larger populous than 50-100 people, it will most likely go to hell. Just look at South-Africa, Libya and in South-America. You have powerty, corruption, genocide, rape, child labor and a general miss-use of power. Just look at the case with Gadaffi if you don't belive me! And he isn't one in a million either.
I belive that white people have better inclanation to build and function in larger societies. Look at democracy, industry, the scientific method, philosophy, international laws of war and conflict, underground sewer systems, better adjusting to being a part of larger groups (something that wheren't normal for our early societies in Africa, we would be more likely to lash out violently when emotionaly and mentaly stressed because we wheren't designed to live like that).
It's not a coincidence!
So when it comes to that part of humanity, I belive there IS a "evolutionary" difference between the first man in Africa and the caucasian man up in the north.
Of course Im not saying that makes one supperior than the other, and I am not a rasist!
I repeat, I AM NOT A RASIST!
"It's not a coincidence!"
Maybe not, but not because of fucking skin colour. And do not assume that just because certain areas are in shit now means they always have been. Africa's problems meanwhile are caused by factors ranging from simple bad luck to the nature of the land they live on. Them being black has nothing to do with it.
im just saying that the worst places in the world are in these areas where those races are in control and in these regions, but the history and culture of those countries are the problem. and they havent improved the world or the evolution of humans as a big, societal creatures with new ways of thinking like democrasy, or build up the rights of people and the induvidial.
If you want to disagre with that, go down to any African or islamistic country and say that you are gay!
you'll be beaten to death before you can think "oh fuck".
As one of those people, I think you may misunderstand the position. If I say "The ends do not justify the means" or "You cannot commit evil with good intentions", that doesn't mean you can't do unpleasant things, but that you cannot do things which are, in and of themselves, always evil. Like killing an innocent. So, if your situation is that there is a child soldier trained to kill, in the middle of an operation which will result in a bomb going off killing thousands, then I would say that that soldier, child though he may be, is not an innocent. He's an enemy combatant. By all means, stop him by any means necessary, up to and including lethal force.Da Orky Man said:I think that Niccolo Machiavelli was right, at least in a broad sense.
Continuing from that, I think that people who don't believe that "The ends justify the means" are incredibly selfish. Say that you had to kill a child soldier to prevent a bomb being set off in the middle of London/Washington/Moscow, or anywhere with a large concentration of people. Would you honestly allow hundreds of people to die just to allow your conscience to be clean?
I may well have misunderstood the position, though I thoroughly agree with your first statement.MorgulMan said:As one of those people, I think you may misunderstand the position. If I say "The ends do not justify the means" or "You cannot commit evil with good intentions", that doesn't mean you can't do unpleasant things, but that you cannot do things which are, in and of themselves, always evil. Like killing an innocent. So, if your situation is that there is a child soldier trained to kill, in the middle of an operation which will result in a bomb going off killing thousands, then I would say that that soldier, child though he may be, is not an innocent. He's an enemy combatant. By all means, stop him by any means necessary, up to and including lethal force.Da Orky Man said:I think that Niccolo Machiavelli was right, at least in a broad sense.
Continuing from that, I think that people who don't believe that "The ends justify the means" are incredibly selfish. Say that you had to kill a child soldier to prevent a bomb being set off in the middle of London/Washington/Moscow, or anywhere with a large concentration of people. Would you honestly allow hundreds of people to die just to allow your conscience to be clean?
Then again, you may be talking about the classic "ticking time bomb" moral question. If that's the case, then my answer is yes, I would "allow" those people to die, rather than committing some monstrously evil act. How that is considered selfish, when in all likelihood I or my loved ones may be within the blast area, is a mystery to me.