When can you speak ill of the dead?
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Cried about MJ but had to use wikipedia to remind me who Jade Goodie was.bjj hero said:
MJ broke sales records and is arguably the most influential pop singer since Elvis, Mrs. Goodie is a loser who found a way to turn her ignorance and finally her slow lingering death into money for her children who will almost certainly squander it as soon as they get their hands on it.
So if you make it into a history and record book you have to be nice until after the tributes, if you are a loser blank you. Moderators say I swear too much.
I think it's bull that everyone's balling over Michael Jackson. If you met him and were friends with him sure cry but if you're just a fan get over it you don't know and won't miss him. He hasn't made any albums in the longest. And now let the hate mail commence.
I'm all for respect for the dead, but there are some people who don't deserve any kind of respect, dead or alive.
Michael Jackson was a great musician and dancer (though certainly not the best who ever lived, as some people seem to think), doesn't mean we can't make jokes about the guy, it comes with being a public figure (dead or alive).
People who commit horrible atrocities in life, who abuse their kids/wife/friends/pets, kill millions of people (directly or indirectly), or who are just over all assholes... talk all the shit you want about them, they were asking for it anyway.
Just try to be sensitive to family members or friends of any recently deceased person.
For example (true story): Don't tell their good friend that you hated them when they were alive, and on more than one occasion wished they were dead because you were jealous. It makes you look like more of an asshole than the person you're talking about.
Michael Jackson was a great musician and dancer (though certainly not the best who ever lived, as some people seem to think), doesn't mean we can't make jokes about the guy, it comes with being a public figure (dead or alive).
People who commit horrible atrocities in life, who abuse their kids/wife/friends/pets, kill millions of people (directly or indirectly), or who are just over all assholes... talk all the shit you want about them, they were asking for it anyway.
Just try to be sensitive to family members or friends of any recently deceased person.
For example (true story): Don't tell their good friend that you hated them when they were alive, and on more than one occasion wished they were dead because you were jealous. It makes you look like more of an asshole than the person you're talking about.
I say that I hope you have meaning in life and I'm a Nazi? Wow. And mentioning Godwins Law doesn't make your BS of using the Nazi analogy ant less specious. And you realized that you shouldn't have let things affect your mood? That sounds like something you find important. If you didn't value your life, then you wouldn't care if it affected your mood. Your ability to pursue your nihlism in pursuit of happiness is important, as is everyone else's pursuit of happiness.ZSF said:
Right away is the internet standard, which makes a lot of sense to me. It's not like they're going to read your comment and get offended.
I consider it rude at any point after they are no longer capable of defending themselves verbally or physically. That said, no one is perfect and being realistic about someone's past deeds is only good sense. Focusing on one aspect of anyone's personality is a bad habit.
Unless you're talking to a close relative who took the death particularly hard, I don't see why the dead should get preferential treatment over the living. If they were an arse hole in life then they shall be remembered by me as an arse hole in death too. Ditto if they were good in life I won't speak ill of them when they're dead.
It's not as if they're going to do anything about it, they're dead...
It's not as if they're going to do anything about it, they're dead...
Why do i need a meaning? Mentioning godwin's law wasnt supposed to do anything other than prevent idiots from typing "LOL GODWINS LAW!1" Its not something thats important. In order for it to be important i'd actually have to think about it. The moment I stopped giving a shit it became completely effortless. Saying that I avoid excess emotion so avoiding it must be important to me is like saying that life is important to me, thus why i constantly contract and relax my heart. No sense made. When did i ever say that i pursued in for happiness? If I "pursue" it for anything, its for a constant neutral emotional state.Xanadu84 said:
well i started hearing MJ jokes on the day of his death, so for some people its never too soon.
in my opinion speaking ill of the dead doesn't matter much. 1. They are dead, we're not hurting them, and 2. if the person was a jerk while alive, they are still a jerk after they go, being dead doesn't automatically make you a nice person.
your opinion of someone isn't really going to change much, but i suppose if you live by the rule "if you have nothing nice to say..." then you should still stick to that rule after the person has passed.
of course you should still show some respect, like if you are around a grieving family/friend of the dead person, hold you rude comments about the deceased for another time/place.
however if someone was a jerk to me while alive, they died, and then someone asked me what i thought about them, i wouldn't hold back my real opinion about him. Got to be honest.
as for celebrity deaths, its pretty much the same as if they were alive. People are going to have negative opinions about them and not hold back. its just the scrutiny they face for being in the spotlight, its pretty much expected, and should not come as to much of a surprise.
in my opinion speaking ill of the dead doesn't matter much. 1. They are dead, we're not hurting them, and 2. if the person was a jerk while alive, they are still a jerk after they go, being dead doesn't automatically make you a nice person.
your opinion of someone isn't really going to change much, but i suppose if you live by the rule "if you have nothing nice to say..." then you should still stick to that rule after the person has passed.
of course you should still show some respect, like if you are around a grieving family/friend of the dead person, hold you rude comments about the deceased for another time/place.
however if someone was a jerk to me while alive, they died, and then someone asked me what i thought about them, i wouldn't hold back my real opinion about him. Got to be honest.
as for celebrity deaths, its pretty much the same as if they were alive. People are going to have negative opinions about them and not hold back. its just the scrutiny they face for being in the spotlight, its pretty much expected, and should not come as to much of a surprise.
